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Post by Active Aggressive on Mar 12, 2014 7:21:56 GMT -5
I can't wait for a new Mariah album. However, there is a 98.5% chance it won't sell as much as she did when she was at her peak because she is in her 40's now and most likely won't see any hits.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 7:33:43 GMT -5
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Mar 12, 2014 8:02:43 GMT -5
Whatever she does chase a hit or not, I want her to have good material that gets her decent Urban radio play. Her struggle with Urban radio play is head scratching.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 12, 2014 8:14:12 GMT -5
Yay- bring the official title and more news, Mimi.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Mar 12, 2014 8:14:38 GMT -5
It's because she is over 40 and radio doesn't play women over 40. Everyone knows that! Her days of hitmaking are over, I'm afraid, just like all the other divas her age and older. It baffles me though because she looks at least 10 years older than the others.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Mar 12, 2014 8:39:22 GMT -5
I don't know that I would chalk it up to her age totally. I mean I can understand age hitting her harder with Pop than with Urban radio. I am wondering if her image and personality isn't more of an interfering factor with Urban radio.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Mar 12, 2014 9:39:10 GMT -5
LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 9:46:13 GMT -5
"#Beautiful" and "You're Mine" are not exactly 'of the moment' types of songs for Urban radio, and she hasn't had a huge Urban hit since "Touch My Body" 6 years ago. I don't really think it's surprising that they're not jumping all over her latest singles.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Mar 12, 2014 10:34:08 GMT -5
It's because she is over 40 and radio doesn't play women over 40. Everyone knows that! Her days of hitmaking are over, I'm afraid, just like all the other divas her age and older. It baffles me though because she looks at least 10 years older than the others. I feel like people were saying this exact same thing 10 years ago; except 30 was the benchmark... then look what happened. You're likely correct, but history is very telling in that you can NEVER count Mariah out, ever.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 12, 2014 11:03:29 GMT -5
^it's never been much of an issue for acts in their 30s, as far as being too "old" for airplay at top 40 radio. It's only been in the last decade or so that radio has become even more youth-driven than it was in the past.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Mar 12, 2014 11:08:58 GMT -5
I thought I was being FAIRLY transparent by continuing to beat a dead horse into the dirt. I've made it clear that I couldn't give two shits about Mariah's chart success, as long as I like the album personally. Oh well. LOL. Carry on.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 12, 2014 15:18:37 GMT -5
Her struggle with Urban radio play is head scratching. How so? Urban has never been a huge supporter of her outside her big hits, anyway. ^it's never been much of an issue for acts in their 30s, as far as being too "old" for airplay at top 40 radio. It's only been in the last decade or so that radio has become even more youth-driven than it was in the past.Well, it had been going that way even 20 years ago. I think a lot of that has to do with Hot 100 rule changes. Remember in the 80s and early 90s how big adult music was commercially? Acts like Anita Baker, Michael Bolton, Phil Collins, Meat Loaf, Cher, Billy Joel, etc. could have top 10 hits. Hot 100 Airplay was only Top 40 and AC radio then, though. As other radio formats got bigger and led the Hot 100 to include them, we saw fewer and fewer adult acts charting. By the late 90s we had TRL as a major influence. That was over 15 years ago now. Then about a decade ago digital sales became a big thing and even got added into the Hot 100, and radio started being driven by sales. Because younger people tend to download the most, that has made radio even more youth-driven.
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Post by die Lotterie on Mar 12, 2014 16:44:27 GMT -5
My Top 40 stations still play's "#Beautiful" almost daily, in addition to spinning TMB and "Bye Bye" occasionally, but they haven't touch "You're Mine (Eternal)" yet. :(
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Mar 12, 2014 17:51:40 GMT -5
I would love a hot Diplo club banger from her or even a Diplo remix for this era.
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Post by Positive Tension on Mar 12, 2014 18:20:48 GMT -5
It won't be easy for Mariah to score "#Beautiful"-sized hits in the future, but I think she is capable of a few more top twenty hits. She just needs to release the right song.
She hasn't promoted "You're Mine" that much, aside from the radio interviews and BET performance, has she? I'm wondering if the album release and next single are being focused on more.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 12, 2014 18:22:43 GMT -5
She hasn't promoted "You're Mine" that much, aside from the radio interviews and BET performance, has she? I'm wondering if the album release and next single are being focused on more. No, she hasn't, but how many artists are out there promoting a song this far ahead of an album release? What I mean is, I wouldn't say Mariah hasn't had promotion. You also have to factor in that promotional money was already spent on both "Triumphant" and "#Beautiful," so Mariah is eating through some money without even having an album finished.
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Post by die Lotterie on Mar 12, 2014 18:43:00 GMT -5
She's always more than welcome to shell out her personal coins al a Rainbow era, lol.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Mar 12, 2014 19:08:57 GMT -5
You know I want Mariah to be successful even if she doesn't have another massive radio hit I just want it to feel like she is at least putting effort into her career. It just hasn't felt like that to me since TEOM. She tried hard for her first single of each of the albums to follow, but then she kind of played possum after those singles. At this point, I will even settle for her crappy videos if she would just start producing some killer remixes again.
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Post by Nick on Mar 12, 2014 19:23:43 GMT -5
It's because she is over 40 and radio doesn't play women over 40. Everyone knows that! Her days of hitmaking are over, I'm afraid, just like all the other divas her age and older. It baffles me though because she looks at least 10 years older than the others. Older?
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Post by no apologist on Mar 12, 2014 19:50:07 GMT -5
Her struggle with Urban radio play is head scratching. How so? Urban has never been a huge supporter of her outside her big hits, anyway. ^it's never been much of an issue for acts in their 30s, as far as being too "old" for airplay at top 40 radio. It's only been in the last decade or so that radio has become even more youth-driven than it was in the past.Well, it had been going that way even 20 years ago. I think a lot of that has to do with Hot 100 rule changes. Remember in the 80s and early 90s how big adult music was commercially? Acts like Anita Baker, Michael Bolton, Phil Collins, Meat Loaf, Cher, Billy Joel, etc. could have top 10 hits. Hot 100 Airplay was only Top 40 and AC radio then, though. As other radio formats got bigger and led the Hot 100 to include them, we saw fewer and fewer adult acts charting. By the late 90s we had TRL as a major influence. That was over 15 years ago now. Then about a decade ago digital sales became a big thing and even got added into the Hot 100, and radio started being driven by sales. Because younger people tend to download the most, that has made radio even more youth-driven. Radio only plays what's on iTunes/Hot 100. I doubt they even take request anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 20:09:48 GMT -5
Pop radio went through a transition in the mid-90s trying to chase after the growing popularity of rap and grunge, which alienated a lot of their core listeners and led to the formation of the Hot AC format, where many older listeners fled. Around the mid-90s, a lot of Hot AC stations used the fact that they played all the hits without the rap and hard rock as their main draw. That was pretty much the turning point, when acts over 40 really started to struggle at pop radio. It's because the age demographic at pop radio shrunk. In the 80s, a teenager and her mother would both listen to pop radio. Now by the time someone is 25, they're already out of the core demographic for pop radio. Teenagers are not listening to acts that are the same age as their parents.
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Post by kmbgs on Mar 12, 2014 20:29:42 GMT -5
Yeah, it's crazy to think that completely "AC" sounding ballads by Mariah (and Celine, and Whitney) were all Pop smashes through the 90s. That stuff would never be a Pop hit today (not only bc of changing musical tastes either - AC ballads aren't coming back to pop)
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Post by JJ on Mar 12, 2014 20:46:01 GMT -5
I'd say Someone Like You, When I was Your Man, Stay were all AC sounding ballads. I think there is space for them still, just not often.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 20:48:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't think the adult contemporary ballad is dead. The David Foster-style ballad is dead. Hit ballads are much more minimalistic now than they were in the 80s and 90s.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 12, 2014 22:17:56 GMT -5
"All Of Me" and "Say Something" are piano-based ballads as well. But, yeah, those songs that have been mentioned aren't quite the same as David Foster or Mariah/Walter ballads.
Hot AC did explode as a format, but even so it plays artists (Maroon 5, Kelly Clarkson, P!nk) that teens are into.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 22:55:02 GMT -5
imagine it was the other way around and A/C ballads were popular now but not back in the early '90s....so then Mariah could've been the young cool hip hop/R&B artist when she first started and racked up her #1s then now with A/C being the most popular music (like it was in the 90s) Mariah would be able to do A/C songs so easily...she'd have 1000 #1 hits!
It's crazy to think that she was singing A/C ballads at the age of 20,21,22 and now doing hard hip hop/R&B beats at the age of 40.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Mar 13, 2014 3:00:29 GMT -5
It's because she is over 40 and radio doesn't play women over 40. Everyone knows that! Her days of hitmaking are over, I'm afraid, just like all the other divas her age and older. It baffles me though because she looks at least 10 years older than the others. Older? Oops.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 13, 2014 14:26:53 GMT -5
I live for the line "I get kinda hectic inside" in "Fantasy" (and how she sings "hectic").
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Post by nitro on Mar 13, 2014 21:59:46 GMT -5
This age argument regarding Mariah is really getting old. I don't think anyone can predict anything, no matter who they are, industry insider or not. I mean I don't think anyone thought Susan Boyle's album would be one of the best selling album in 2009. If someone said five years ago "A 48 year old Scottish woman will sing a Broadway cover and it will catapult her album of random coves to the top the Billboard 200 for weeks" we would say "that is whack." if she pulls off a nifty publicity stunt, has an amazing song / video that really resonates, anything can happen. The same is true with other has-beens, like Brandy or Toni Braxton or even Hanson.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2014 2:48:33 GMT -5
The truth of the matter is while you worried about hit singles and billboard hot 100 and her age you missing the point of what real artists do or supposed to do anyways and that's release a collection of work called a album. Regardless if the bitch is 20, 30, 60 that's where you separate a artist from a substandard hit maker. Three things never get old, wine, coco and a well crafted Mariah record. Lets just focus on that because billboard hit singles are just tools shady bitches use to clobber other fanbases over the head with but classic albums is where shady bitches cant even be bothered to drag your ass.
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