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Post by Ling-Ling on Sept 19, 2024 21:05:18 GMT -5
Diddy was so embedded in hip-hop, pop and R&B in the 90's and 2000's, entire catalogues and albums from artists would need to be removed. Don't see why "Honey" or the "Fantasy" remix would be singled out. I don't see it happening. Practically all of R Kelly's work for other artists remains on streaming.
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Post by Coco Villain Era on Sept 19, 2024 21:32:35 GMT -5
I would have an issue if she called Diddy for a remix in 2024 but who the hell is reaching back to the mid 90s!!
Its not like R Kelly even cause the lyrics and his love songs and how they are tied to his actions. Diddy productions on all those rap songs and rnb uptemp tracks are easier to forget the person from the songs. Nobody listens to Biggie or Mary J or Mariah and thinks Diddy
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 20, 2024 7:30:26 GMT -5
Serious Question about 'Honey' - With all these things coming out about PD, will MC end up pulling the standard version 'Honey' similar to what Celine/Lady Gaga did after RK? I believe MC is solo credited with the lyrics, he's obviously all over that track and is credited with the music. It's a really disturbing situation. Since MC is such a megastar, I'm sure she'll start to get mentioned in articles, etc. Obviously, we don't want this for her! One big difference is those Celine/Gaga songs were duets. Diddy is not a credited artist on either the "Fantasy" remix or "Honey" (or "Breakdown," which he also worked on). Diddy does have some small parts on those songs, but not an entire verse or anything. Plus as Ling-Ling mentioned, other artists didn't take down songs R Kelly wrote/produced for them (Maxwell's "Fortunate" and Britney's "Outrageous" being two examples). I will say I am very surprised (and disappointed) Mariah hasn't taken down the version of "Betcha Gon Known" that has R Kelly on it. If anything of Mariah's would be taken down, it would be the "Honey" remix video since Diddy is very present in that video. |
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Sept 20, 2024 8:35:55 GMT -5
I think the difference is Mariah isn’t championing Diddy or R Kelly in 2024. Mariah has seemingly always skirted these moments. I think it is helps that Mariah is past her commercial success, so no one is probably looking to tear her down. I have had my moments of disappointment from her in her money grab concerts and choice in collaborators at time. I think at this point given the entertainment industry it is hard to avoid anyone with a past. Even Mariah has mentioned, we don’t know the half of what is happening in the music industry. She probably isn’t the first or last woman who has had to keep quiet about the happenings of the music industry to have a successful career. Mariah also strikes me as the type who dips when she knows something or someone is sketch. She grew up in a sketch family, so she probably has a lot of awareness of it.
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 20, 2024 9:44:13 GMT -5
Mariah also strikes me as the type who dips when she knows something or someone is sketch. Adding R Kelly to "Betcha Gon Know" (and "Touch My Body" for that matter) was long after we knew of his marriage to an underage Aaliyah, and of course various allegations, investigations, and lawsuits all through the 2000s. Mariah was by no means the only major artist to work with him during that time, but at the point she did have him on her song, there was more than enough reason to find him sketch. Additionally, wasn't there video of Mariah with Brett Ratner well after the allegations about him came out? |
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Post by Eqbk on Sept 20, 2024 16:21:08 GMT -5
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Post by Positive Tension on Sept 20, 2024 17:56:54 GMT -5
It's wonderful that she's playing such big crowds lately- definitely prefer this to the Vegas residencies although I get why she does them.
Looking forward to MC30. Though I don't listen to much Christmas music, a LAMB from another site mentioned Michael Buble and Kelly Clarkson's Christmas albums have a higher proportion of more widely covered standards than Mariah? If so, couldn't she record a few and add to MC, or would that be a new album?
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Post by jenglisbe on Sept 20, 2024 18:09:03 GMT -5
It's nice that St Jphn the Divine is being remastered since the quality was so poor on the last re-release, but it doesn't look like there is anything truly new. Ugh. I was really hoping for "Where Are You Christmas?" at least. Or maybe they are saving something new for the "AIWFCIY" singles?! I have no idea what this means. Both of their holiday albums have more tracks than Mariah's album, so of course there are more songs that have been covered if that's what it means. If they are talking about original songs that have been covered, obviously neither of them have an original song more famous than "AIWFCIY." |
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Post by mrricx on Sept 20, 2024 18:13:57 GMT -5
I'm here at the concert in São Paulo and it's sold out. It's a stadium!!
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Post by bat1990 on Sept 20, 2024 18:18:31 GMT -5
Mariah also strikes me as the type who dips when she knows something or someone is sketch. Adding R Kelly to "Betcha Gon Know" (and "Touch My Body" for that matter) was long after we knew of his marriage to an underage Aaliyah, and of course various allegations, investigations, and lawsuits all through the 2000s. Mariah was by no means the only major artist to work with him during that time, but at the point she did have him on her song, there was more than enough reason to find him sketch. Additionally, wasn't there video of Mariah with Brett Ratner well after the allegations about him came out? The Aaliyah argument doesn't hold a lot of water though because he went on to nearly 15 years of even greater success and worked with nearly everyone in the R&B world after the story of that illegal marriage was broken. To me, as disgusting as his relationship with Aaliyah was, it didn't hurt him at all which is awful but I feel like it makes no sense to use when singling out Mariah. There could've been label pressure for people to work with him as well especially in the late 90s when he was a huge money maker, look at Dr. Luke. I'll give you the TMB/Betcha Don't Know. By 2008-2010, she should've known better. |
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Post by Coco Villain Era on Sept 20, 2024 18:19:08 GMT -5
On the Drew Barron show for Halloween 👻🎃
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Post by Push The Button on Sept 20, 2024 20:53:00 GMT -5
I bought everything. I'm a sick, sick man. All three versions of the MOFI releases (over $200!!) Two new versions from Amazon CD single, 12" vinyl and 7" vinyl Maybe this purchase will finally fill the void that a man should be filling in my life. |
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Post by bat1990 on Sept 20, 2024 21:18:30 GMT -5
I bought everything. I'm a sick, sick man. All three versions of the MOFI releases (over $200!!) Two new versions from Amazon CD single, 12" vinyl and 7" vinyl Maybe this purchase will finally fill the void that a man should be filling in my life. The vinyl singles look fun! Especially since the 7" has Sleigh Ride which hopefully edits the transition from the Apple TV special. |
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Post by Caution on Sept 21, 2024 1:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Sept 21, 2024 8:31:43 GMT -5
How is the version of Christmas Wrapping a “live” version? Isn’t it just a pre-recording that plays during her concerts? I don’t recall her ever performing it. And, we don’t need to hear the crowd cheering, so here’s hoping we get a version of the actual recording only.
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Post by The Black Bird on Sept 21, 2024 8:37:03 GMT -5
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Post by Coco Villain Era on Sept 21, 2024 11:57:43 GMT -5
More people at their show than streamed Katy Purry first week album
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Sept 21, 2024 14:32:45 GMT -5
I bought everything. I'm a sick, sick man. All three versions of the MOFI releases (over $200!!) Two new versions from Amazon CD single, 12" vinyl and 7" vinyl Maybe this purchase will finally fill the void that a man should be filling in my life. Diamond certification incoming! |
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Sept 21, 2024 14:49:40 GMT -5
I'd love to see MC finally hit #1 on B200. It looks like 2 vinyls will ship around 12/13, which will obviously help since AIWFCIY streaming/radio will be high enough to add more points. Maybe the timing will finally be right to add another #1 album to her legacy.
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Post by The Black Bird on Sept 21, 2024 18:12:50 GMT -5
This Saturday night let's appreciate this legendary BOP FOR THE AGES! Obsessed has aged like a fine wine.
Special shoutout to the Cahil remix, also a bop!
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Post by Coco Villain Era on Sept 21, 2024 18:25:07 GMT -5
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Post by colson on Sept 21, 2024 19:00:43 GMT -5
I hope she goes back to Brazil in the near future.
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Post by Coco Villain Era on Sept 21, 2024 19:05:47 GMT -5
BLOOP you wish!
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Post by Coco Villain Era on Sept 21, 2024 20:34:14 GMT -5
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Post by ObhiDonna on Sept 22, 2024 13:38:15 GMT -5
Came here to say It’s Like That came on radio suddenly and my god it still is an absolute banger!!!
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Post by eyeofthestorm on Sept 22, 2024 15:01:00 GMT -5
It still kills me to this day that ILT didn’t go top 10 on the Hot 100.
It was such a breathe of fresh air and a real attention grabber after the commercial performance of her previous eras singles. I still remember hearing it when it leaked early and thinking “oh my god I can’t believe the difference in this verses Charmbracelet. She’s fucking back!” That was before I even heard WBT. But I knew we were about to witness something incredible. WBT may have ended up the chart hit, but ILT set it up very nicely and I feel it is under appreciated for doing so.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 22, 2024 15:04:18 GMT -5
It would have at any other time. When it was released, she hadn’t had a legit hit in years and it did as well as it did despite that, paving the way for the comeback that was WBT. But ILT was a banger that deserved top chart placement.
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Post by Positive Tension on Sept 22, 2024 15:15:56 GMT -5
It's nice that St Jphn the Divine is being remastered since the quality was so poor on the last re-release, but it doesn't look like there is anything truly new. Ugh. I was really hoping for "Where Are You Christmas?" at least. Or maybe they are saving something new for the "AIWFCIY" singles?! I have no idea what this means. Both of their holiday albums have more tracks than Mariah's album, so of course there are more songs that have been covered if that's what it means. If they are talking about original songs that have been covered, obviously neither of them have an original song more famous than "AIWFCIY." Yeah, that was poorly worded. I guess the point is that there are still some Christmas classics she can record that can do well, even if nowhere near the success of "AIWFCIY" or her more popular covers like "CBPCH." Regarding "ILT," I agree it is under appreciated, even by me. Though it's not one of her best or biggest hits, it set the stage for her comeback. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 22, 2024 15:22:36 GMT -5
Love this!
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 22, 2024 16:37:40 GMT -5
Ugh. I'm sooo ready for new Mariah music! I need a new album. "AIWFCIY" is feeling like Groundhog Day year after year.
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