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Oh, sorry. Thought you were talking about the original 2013 release date. Coincidentally, "#Beautiful" will have been released exactly one year prior.  |
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Feb 16, 2014 18:43:24 GMT -5
You're Mine is my shit now. Really grew on me. There is a lot going on. It's one of her most vocally dense songs in a while, actually. The production is really subtle and well-done. Rodney killed this one. This song just had to sink in and marinate, but once it did...FUCK.
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Post by 85la on Feb 17, 2014 0:19:28 GMT -5
They're probably kicking themselves for not putting out the album last year on the back of '#Beautiful', considering it's likely to be the closest thing to a big hit she'll have from this album. I completely agree. It is only getting worse and worse after that. |
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Post by no apologist on Feb 17, 2014 0:37:14 GMT -5
She can get an album out if she stops releasing generic, lifeless music that nobody but the lambs want to feature. This is the same woman who gave us Honey and then Heartbreaker. Two VERY catchy, modern, well-written songs. Now it's like she's not even trying with her diary entry lullaby songs. Maybe she has a personal vendetta against someone and she refuses to let them be great off of her name. This Nu Mariah is just so hard to take.
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Mariah being able to put out songs that were destined to be hits 15-20 years ago really says nothing about her ability to do it now. She used to follow the charts and keep up with all the popular music of the moment, but last week she admitted to not knowing "Drunk In Love" (the current #1 at Urban and Rhythmic radio). Between that and judging by the type of songs she's been putting out, I think she's lost her ability to adapt to current popular sounds because she's not following current popular music anymore. People often talk about ageism in the industry like everyone collectively bands together to blacklist acts after they hit 40, but Mariah's current situation is very common. She's in her mid-40s; she's not listening to popular radio; she's not keeping up with what's popular; the music she's putting out now is the same style she was putting out several years ago. Is it any wonder that radio stops playing music by a 40-something who's putting out music that isn't really "in" anymore? She's cemented her status as a legend at this point and has earned every right to record whatever type of music she desires, but that also means understanding that you're limiting your audience. They clearly didn't have their sights set on simply getting an Urban AC hit with "You're Mine".
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Feb 17, 2014 1:06:36 GMT -5
Between that and judging by the type of songs she's been putting out, I think she's lost her ability to adapt to current popular sounds because she's not following current popular music anymore...she's not listening to popular radio; she's not keeping up with what's popular; the music she's putting out now is the same style she was putting out several years ago. But remember she said that she didn't want to jump on whatever trends were hot at the moment (like her disdain for the EDM sound that had been all over radio for a few years at that time). It's understandable why she doesn't want to do that. I wonder if she intentionally doesn't listen to whatever is new and current because she doesn't want to make something like that. She wants to do what she wants to do. Is it any wonder that radio stops playing music by a 40-something who's putting out music that isn't really "in" anymore? Exactly. But on the other hand, she might not want to make music that is like what is already out now because she wants to stand out and not be lumped into the same category as others. |
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Between that and judging by the type of songs she's been putting out, I think she's lost her ability to adapt to current popular sounds because she's not following current popular music anymore...she's not listening to popular radio; she's not keeping up with what's popular; the music she's putting out now is the same style she was putting out several years ago. But remember she said that she didn't want to jump on whatever trends were hot at the moment (like her disdain for the EDM sound that had been all over radio for a few years at that time). It's understandable why she doesn't want to do that. I wonder if she intentionally doesn't listen to whatever is new and current because she doesn't want to make something like that. She wants to do what she wants to do. Is it any wonder that radio stops playing music by a 40-something who's putting out music that isn't really "in" anymore? Exactly. But on the other hand, she might not want to make music that is like what is already out now because she wants to stand out and not be lumped into the same category as others. Ehhh... Mariah adapted her sound to whatever was popular for the first 20 years of her career. I don't think she suddenly had some vision that she wants to be different. I just don't think she particularly cares for today's popular music at this point of her life, which is why she's not listening to it and why her current material doesn't sound like what's hot right now. |
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Post by Gold Soundz on Feb 17, 2014 1:22:41 GMT -5
I do think "You're Mine" could have come out ten years ago, but at least it doesn't sound like 2005 (to me, at least). The biggest issue, imo, is the production. It's not that the production isn't nice, it's just too much....minimalism is in ("Blurred Lines," "Royals," "Dark Horse," "Drunk In Love," etc.). It's not that dissimilar to "Hold On We're Going Home," but that one hits a bit harder, it's a bit more uptempo, and it's not busy. I really, really wish she would put aside her ego and work with 40. At least the Hit Boy tracks will sound more modern.
I also think Mariah is probably more chart-obsessed than her chart-obsessed fans at this point, which makes it even more frustrating. At the same time, though, since she turned 40, pop has been more receptive to her records. I don't think she'll ever settle for one format. I think she'll be like Madonna and Cher (although, in all fairness, Madonna had a few substantial hits in her 40s, and Cher had "Believe") -- releasing a good song every once in a while and always aiming at the mainstream. Maybe she'll do a little side project or something, but the fact that she still thinks she's as young as the other girls lends me to believe that this midlife crisis will last another good fifteen years.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Feb 17, 2014 2:14:45 GMT -5
Maybe she'll do a little side project or something, but the fact that she still thinks she's as young as the other girls lends me to believe that this midlife crisis will last another good fifteen years. I was listening to some of Aretha Franklin and Patti LaBelle's 90s material recently and I thought it was still modern enough yet true to what they had been doing when they were much more successful. It was a good balance of being current and somewhat youthful, but it was still mature. Perhaps something along those lines. |
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Post by Positive Tension on Feb 17, 2014 8:19:14 GMT -5
I haven't heard "Drunk In Love," either.  Hopefully there is something more current sounding on the album than "You're Mine." "#Beautiful" was a nice change in sound for her, so I do hope we get more of that on the album. |
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Feb 17, 2014 9:14:05 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised the audience increased by at least .7+ on Saturday and Sunday. Maybe this can find a little bit of audience soon.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Feb 17, 2014 9:21:26 GMT -5
I am going to wait and see what happens on adds day. If it can pull in moderate adds, then there may be some hope. What troubles me is Urban has not really jumped on this as much as I hoped it would.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Feb 17, 2014 12:50:13 GMT -5
Though if I were her, I might be trying to come up with a new urban remix to give You're Mine some life if she is determined to ride it out until the album drops. Something with a much faster tempo. Whatever she has in store, I hope it has a bit of an updated sound. I want a club banger/up tempo next. "Thirsty" sounds interesting. At this point, Pop and Rhythmic seem the most willing to play the track. It makes me wonder what is up with Mariah that Urban seems somewhat reluctant to play her.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 17, 2014 14:19:13 GMT -5
Billboard.com: www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/5908434/ask-billboard-katy-perry-regains-no-1-momentum?page=0%2C1MARIAH CAREY'S BEST-SELLING SONGSHi Gary, With Mariah Carey releasing a new single last week, can you tell us what her top 10-selling digital songs are? Thank you, Matt Kay Boston, Massachusetts Hi Matt, With the ballad "You're Mine (Eternal)," and its video, having arrived on Wednesday (Feb. 12), we'll see its impact on this coming week's Hot 100 and other charts. Island Def Jam has also set Feb. 24 as its target date for airplay at mainstream top 40, rhythmic, mainstream R&B/hip-hop, adult R&B and adult top 40 radio. Still, more than 175 stations played it (for a total of more than 550 plays), since its release, according to Nielsen BDS, and it's already "New & Active" as one of the 10 closest titles making their way toward the Pop Songs airplay chart. I like the song, which reminds me a lot of her 2005 14-week Hot 100 No. 1 "We Belong Together" – Billboard's No. 1 song of the 2000s. "Mine" previews Carey's new studio album, due May 6. (For more about Carey's new music, and the lengthy wait for it, check out Gail Mitchell's in-depth story in the new issue of Billboard magazine). Upon the new song's launch, let's actually look back not only at Carey's 10 best-selling downloads, but also her 10 top-selling physical (CD/cassette) singles, according to Nielsen SoundScan, since her career began with 1990's "Vision of Love," long before the advent of digital tracks. Downloads: 2,810,000, "All I Want for Christmas Is You" 1,764,000, "Obsessed" 1,679,000, "We Belong Together" 1,622,000, "Touch My Body" 1,185,000, "#Beautiful" (featuring Miguel) 890,000, "Always Be My Baby" 829,000, "Shake It Off" 668,000, "Hero" 640,000, "Fantasy" 598,000, "Bye Bye" Physical Singles: 2,335,000, "One Sweet Day" (with Boyz II Men) 1,605,000, "Fantasy" 1,484,000, "My All" 1,276,000, "Honey" 1,254,000, "Always Be My Baby" 1,145,000, "Hero" 935,000, "Dreamlover" 860,000, "I Still Believe" 855,000, "Heartbreaker" (featuring Jay Z) 687,000, "Thank God I Found You" (featuring Joe & 98 Degrees) As for album sales, dating to the start of SoundScan tracking 1991, Carey is the third-best-selling album artist, with 54.2 million albums sold in the U.S. Garth Brooks leads with 69.5 million, ahead of runner-up the Beatles with 65.3 million. Metallica (54.2 million; slightly less than Carey's total before rounding off) and Celine Dion (52.2 million) close out the top five.
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Post by no apologist on Feb 17, 2014 16:09:02 GMT -5
Mariah being able to put out songs that were destined to be hits 15-20 years ago really says nothing about her ability to do it now. She used to follow the charts and keep up with all the popular music of the moment, but last week she admitted to not knowing "Drunk In Love" (the current #1 at Urban and Rhythmic radio). Between that and judging by the type of songs she's been putting out, I think she's lost her ability to adapt to current popular sounds because she's not following current popular music anymore. People often talk about ageism in the industry like everyone collectively bands together to blacklist acts after they hit 40, but Mariah's current situation is very common. She's in her mid-40s; she's not listening to popular radio; she's not keeping up with what's popular; the music she's putting out now is the same style she was putting out several years ago. Is it any wonder that radio stops playing music by a 40-something who's putting out music that isn't really "in" anymore? She's cemented her status as a legend at this point and has earned every right to record whatever type of music she desires, but that also means understanding that you're limiting your audience. They clearly didn't have their sights set on simply getting an Urban AC hit with "You're Mine". I disagree. The songs she's putting out now have no bang or seriousness like her old songs. They sound like unreleased tracks that did not make the cut for good reason. If Babyface and Toni can get a #1 R&B song, so can Mariah. But obviously the people don't feel like the music is good enough. As for DIL, she doesn't have to be hip to make a decent song, I.E, Babyface and Toni. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 17:02:02 GMT -5
It's just weird because I would say that R&B music, while it has definitely shifted, is not so drastically different from 2009 that she would be turned off from trying to sound current. Memoirs was very much an "of the moment" album, not in a bad way but that it sounded very modern for the most part when it came out. It might not have been the best of the bunch but the material was all along the same vein of popular R&B music of the time. It's weird that 5 years later she doesn't seem to have any idea what direction R&B music is going. It's a shame because I think if she were to put out something like "It Won't Stop" or even "VSOP", she would easily smash at Urban without feeling like she was selling out to something that wasn't her.
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Post by Tea-why on Feb 17, 2014 17:03:09 GMT -5
I'm surprised "Honey" and "My All" outsold "Hero and "Dreamlover", but I guess the remixes of the first two made those singles more worth buying?
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Post by die Lotterie on Feb 17, 2014 17:12:28 GMT -5
I'm surprised "Honey" and "My All" outsold "Hero and "Dreamlover", but I guess the remixes of the first two made those singles more worth buying? Well Music Box outsold Butterfly by a lot. Perhaps more people were buying Music Box than its physical singles. |
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Mariah being able to put out songs that were destined to be hits 15-20 years ago really says nothing about her ability to do it now. She used to follow the charts and keep up with all the popular music of the moment, but last week she admitted to not knowing "Drunk In Love" (the current #1 at Urban and Rhythmic radio). Between that and judging by the type of songs she's been putting out, I think she's lost her ability to adapt to current popular sounds because she's not following current popular music anymore. People often talk about ageism in the industry like everyone collectively bands together to blacklist acts after they hit 40, but Mariah's current situation is very common. She's in her mid-40s; she's not listening to popular radio; she's not keeping up with what's popular; the music she's putting out now is the same style she was putting out several years ago. Is it any wonder that radio stops playing music by a 40-something who's putting out music that isn't really "in" anymore? She's cemented her status as a legend at this point and has earned every right to record whatever type of music she desires, but that also means understanding that you're limiting your audience. They clearly didn't have their sights set on simply getting an Urban AC hit with "You're Mine". I disagree. The songs she's putting out now have no bang or seriousness like her old songs. They sound like unreleased tracks that did not make the cut for good reason. That was my point. I wasn't talking about quality; I was talking about the style of R&B she's doing. She hasn't evolved with the times. The music she's putting out now sounds like a blend of the styles of her past 3 albums. "#Beautiful" was the exception, although I think it had more of a timeless sound than sounding "of the moment". I'm surprised "Honey" and "My All" outsold "Hero and "Dreamlover", but I guess the remixes of the first two made those singles more worth buying? You can't really compare physical singles that way because Sony usually only issued a certain number of copies of a single, so that eventually people would be forced to purchase the album. I'm not completely sure how many of each of these they actually produced, but many of her 90s singles had limited releases. It's widely believed that "I'll Be There" and "Heartbreaker," at least, would have had lengthier stays at #1 (compared to the 2 weeks both actually had) if the single releases for those weren't so limited. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 17:31:48 GMT -5
Mariah being able to put out songs that were destined to be hits 15-20 years ago really says nothing about her ability to do it now. She used to follow the charts and keep up with all the popular music of the moment, but last week she admitted to not knowing "Drunk In Love" (the current #1 at Urban and Rhythmic radio). Between that and judging by the type of songs she's been putting out, I think she's lost her ability to adapt to current popular sounds because she's not following current popular music anymore. People often talk about ageism in the industry like everyone collectively bands together to blacklist acts after they hit 40, but Mariah's current situation is very common. She's in her mid-40s; she's not listening to popular radio; she's not keeping up with what's popular; the music she's putting out now is the same style she was putting out several years ago. Is it any wonder that radio stops playing music by a 40-something who's putting out music that isn't really "in" anymore? She's cemented her status as a legend at this point and has earned every right to record whatever type of music she desires, but that also means understanding that you're limiting your audience. They clearly didn't have their sights set on simply getting an Urban AC hit with "You're Mine". I disagree. The songs she's putting out now have no bang or seriousness like her old songs. They sound like unreleased tracks that did not make the cut for good reason. If Babyface and Toni can get a #1 R&B song, so can Mariah. But obviously the people don't feel like the music is good enough. As for DIL, she doesn't have to be hip to make a decent song, I.E, Babyface and Toni. The difference between You're Mine and 'Hurt" is one was specifically made for Urban AC and the other is for three different genres. Its not comparable... however if you're saying she should go the route of Toni, then I agree. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 17, 2014 18:30:53 GMT -5
Wasn't July 2013 confirmed? No. Yes, July 23 was definitely an announced date. IDJ had even spent money for spots on store shelves and the like. There were then reports when that date was canceled and the album postponed. Here are articles covering the delay: www.billboard.com/articles/news/1568157/mariah-carey-holds-back-new-album-release-indefinitelywww.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/25/mariah-carey-album-delayed-the-art-of-letting-go_n_3495324.htmlWhile I would like the promo for "You're Mine" to be bigger/better, it's hard to criticize IDJ considering a lot of money was already spent on "#Beautiful" when they thought it was helping set up an album release. It's cool to have those downloads stats from Billboard. "Always Be My Baby" isn't too far from 1 million. How many of the big divas (Mariah, Whitney, Madonna, Celine, Janet) have catalog singles that have sold 1 million or more? I am sure Whitney has a couple because of the increase in her sales when she died. |
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Post by gazermazer on Feb 17, 2014 18:54:18 GMT -5
One of her best remixes. She needs to resing remixes and do a real remix like this one. What's the song playing at the very beginning of that interview, the one at 15 seconds when she's on the roller coaster? |
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Post by gazermazer on Feb 17, 2014 18:55:42 GMT -5
Love this look! This is how she should dress! The hair and makeup suits her well!
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 17, 2014 18:57:36 GMT -5
It's just weird because I would say that R&B music, while it has definitely shifted, is not so drastically different from 2009 that she would be turned off from trying to sound current. Memoirs was very much an "of the moment" album, not in a bad way but that it sounded very modern for the most part when it came out. It might not have been the best of the bunch but the material was all along the same vein of popular R&B music of the time. It's weird that 5 years later she doesn't seem to have any idea what direction R&B music is going. It's a shame because I think if she were to put out something like "It Won't Stop" or even "VSOP", she would easily smash at Urban without feeling like she was selling out to something that wasn't her. The issue is more that R&B music in general isn't current/relevant. R&B music doesn't really get airplay outside of genre stations, and R&B songs don't sell downloads (that has always been the case, though). Mariah can't make R&B music and be 'current.' Toni and Babyface might have an Urban AC hit, but that hit hasn't been a success in terms of downloads, and the album didn't even scan 100k its first week. Why would Mariah go in that direction if she still wants to be relevant commercially? Having said that, I don't know why it matters in general if Mariah has anymore hits or not. Mariah is past needing to prove herself in that regard. Do people care that Prince hasn't had a hit in like 20 years? Aretha Franklin hasn't had a hit in a long time either, and Cher's only hit in the past 20 years is "Believe." Mariah is basically 25 years into a career. I can't think of any artist who was having consistent hits 25 years into a career that had been full of consistent hits (i.e. Santana had a run of hits, but that was after being MIA for a long time and involved him using current acts as singers). Anyway, "#Beautiful" was a great example of Mariah playing to her strengths while coming up with something new/fresh (both in terms of her sound, and in music in general). "#B" was reminiscent of her 90s lead singles in several ways because apart from "Heartbreaker" all of her 90s lead singles were catchy, had nice melodies, and sounded fresh. I get that "You're Mine" is a more traditional Mariah song (at least in terms of her 00s output), but it still builds on past songs to become something new for Mariah. That intro is not something we've heard on a Mariah track. The way most of the production drops out during the pre-chorus is something new for Mariah. The general spacey/futuristic vibe is something we haven't heard from Mariah apart from maybe "Say Somethin." |
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Post by gazermazer on Feb 17, 2014 18:59:18 GMT -5
Can someone list the remixes that were resung?
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