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Post by adamalterlago on Dec 4, 2020 21:55:36 GMT -5
I would love for her to hunker down with one or two producers - would LOVE Dev Hynes for this - to put out a an album of Giving Me Life, The Roof etc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 21:55:39 GMT -5
I'm not focused on what "could" go wrong if she does what she wants to do. Why does it have to be negative? If she were going to record a bunch of "I Stay In Love" type songs, you'd think we'd have gotten a bunch of those over the past several years anyway and we haven't.
I also don't see how her doing a jazz or gospel album would necessarily bring her critical success or be seen as an "evolution". A lot of aging R&B stars have done that, and the albums usually come and go with little attention because they don't have wide appeal. Why would it be different for Mariah?
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Post by die Lotterie on Dec 4, 2020 22:00:33 GMT -5
LOL, call me crazy but with her releasing less frequently than musical trends are coming and going and her commercial viability diminished, I think we should be less concerned than we ever have been that she's going to give us a whole album of rehashes (something she has never even done) or following formulas.
At the end of the day, she's going to do whatever she wants and music that she is fully immersed in is all I really care about.
edit: I'm not even sure what a Caution formula is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 22:01:26 GMT -5
Mariah seems to command a level attention with every new release, but then it just fizzles out if it doesnāt capture peopleās imagination. I think something really unexpected would hold the attention of the public pretty well. Also songs like GTFO can hurt her other very important brand (Christmas Queen) in the long run. I actually think she could still have at least one more big commercial era if everything lined up. She still looks great and people still love her.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 22:04:52 GMT -5
Mariah's been on a roll doing projects sheās passionate about and I hope she continues doing things that inspire her.
I could see her doing a jazz EP at some point, maybe when another musician she wants to collaborate with does it with her.
My personal dream would be to see her live on Broadway, but who knows when that would even be possible.
Other than that, I canāt imagine ya getting an album wildly different from her previous ones ā sheās made it pretty clear who she is musically.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 22:05:24 GMT -5
Mariah seems to command a level attention with every new release, but then it just fizzles out if it doesnāt capture peopleās imagination. I think something really unexpected would hold the attention of the public pretty well. Also songs like GTFO can hurt her other very important brand (Christmas Queen) in the long run. I actually think she could still have at least one more big commercial era if everything lined up. She still looks great and people still love her. You think a gospel album would better sustain momentum or capture the publicās attention than Caution did? It would probably get the attention of the diehards like The Rarities did and be gone 5 mins later. It would be seen as a niche side project. I think your dreams of a Walter reunion are more likely to come to fruition than Mariah having a hit album doing gospel or jazz... and the chances of THAT happening are slim to none. |
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Post by JamaicaFunkĀ² on Dec 4, 2020 22:13:10 GMT -5
So after watching the boob-alicious Christmas special, I think the audio is better there than on the Apple Music soundtrack. I wonder if it has to do with mastering or if Iām just losing my mind. But her voice was better on the special for sure. I think. Maybe.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Dec 4, 2020 22:19:00 GMT -5
So after watching the boob-alicious Christmas special, I think the audio is better there than on the Apple Music soundtrack. I wonder if it has to do with mastering or if Iām just losing my mind. But her voice was better on the special for sure. I think. Maybe. The When Christmas Comes scene was perfection to me. And she looked absolutely stunning. |
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Post by Positive Tension on Dec 4, 2020 22:21:57 GMT -5
The 2010 "MIH" clip is pretty impressive. In early 2010 I don't remember overwhelming praise regarding her vocals so I underrate them, but that may have been because at that point, some people were still holding her to her 1990s standards. I'm stunned how full and powerful she sounds in that clip.
I'm definitely no vocal expert, so it's interesting reading the comments stating her voice changed again (in the 90s I can tell how it seemed to change from era to era) starting with the Caution era. For the most part, I think the general consensus is that she's given more consistent vocals since Caution than she has in a while. I know that doesn't mean there haven't been changes in her voice though, but I've been pretty happy with the quarantine performances and think they're good by 2010 and 2020 standards.
I don't have an opportunity to see the special, but I'm glad it's getting a lot of praise.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 22:34:50 GMT -5
We have music to last a lifetime. Mariah at this point could release remixes of her christmas classic and potentially get a major seasonal hit. I want her to continue to do what she did with Caution make albums that production wise sound current but also have that 90s real rnb feel. Basically make music that makes her happy. Caution was a great album in the sense it sounded current without being try hard.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 4, 2020 22:40:37 GMT -5
Mariah's been on a roll doing projects sheās passionate about and I hope she continues doing things that inspire her. I could see her doing a jazz EP at some point, maybe when another musician she wants to collaborate with does it with her. Other than that, I canāt imagine ya getting an album wildly different from her previous ones ā sheās made it pretty clear who she is musically. Well and I don't get the negative-sounding stuff from some posters considering the past few years. From the critically loved Caution to the critically loved, #1 bestselling memoir to Rarities to "Sleigh Ride" to the terrific quarantine performances to Mariah at the Golden Globes to "AIWFCIY" hitting #1 to the Billboard Icon performance and speech to the Vegas performances and Caution tour to this new Apple special to the induction in the Songwriters Hall of Fame, this woman has delivered in 2018-2020. Who else at 50 is killing it in this way? Let's give her credit, and also not doubt her. |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Dec 4, 2020 22:41:35 GMT -5
Very cute
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Post by theedge12 on Dec 4, 2020 22:43:12 GMT -5
The 2010 "MIH" clip is pretty impressive. In early 2010 I don't remember overwhelming praise regarding her vocals so I underrate them, but that may have been because at that point, some people were still holding her to her 1990s standards. I'm stunned how full and powerful she sounds in that clip. I'm definitely no vocal expert, so it's interesting reading the comments stating her voice changed again (in the 90s I can tell how it seemed to change from era to era) starting with the Caution era. For the most part, I think the general consensus is that she's given more consistent vocals since Caution than she has in a while. I know that doesn't mean there haven't been changes in her voice though, but I've been pretty happy with the quarantine performances and think they're good by 2010 and 2020 standards. I don't have an opportunity to see the special, but I'm glad it's getting a lot of praise. Yup Iāll take Mariahās so called changing vocals over any female artist out today! She puts her heart and soul into her music and you can tell. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 22:48:12 GMT -5
We have music to last a lifetime. Mariah at this point could release remixes of her christmas classic and potentially get a major seasonal hit. I want her to continue to do what she did with Caution make albums that production wise sound current but also have that 90s real rnb feel. Basically make music that makes her happy. Caution was a great album in the sense it sounded current without being try hard. Totally agree. I wouldnāt even be bothered if Christmas is her new thing and if she scooped up another Christmas #1 on the billboard 100 to end her hits career in the āChristmas phaseā would be just fine. |
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 4, 2020 22:52:41 GMT -5
I just hit a backwoods and this whole special is giving me everything I need and Iām not even a Christmas person. Oh Santa into Here Comes Santa Claus has me on my feet.
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Post by back2blk on Dec 4, 2020 23:06:32 GMT -5
What was great about Caution was not that she made music she wanted to make and not chase trends - it was that she went out and worked with new people.
And if sheās at the age/stage of her career where she doesnāt care about financial success then I wish she would just collaborate more - everyone wants it. Look at how well this JHud and Ariana collab was received. I wish Mariah would humble herself and work with more hit makers in her industry. She can still work with The Weeknd, Bruno Mars, Khalid, BeyoncĆ©, and so forth, and not look like sheās selling out or chasing trends.
Also, I wouldnāt knock a gospel album either. Do yāall listen to gospel music lately - it is very much heavily R&B sounding, sonically, and vice versa, sometimes I canāt tell the difference.
When Mary J. Blige did that London Session album, I was actually surprised that she experimented and branched out, and a lot of that album was really cool.
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Post by Positive Tension on Dec 4, 2020 23:08:45 GMT -5
Finally heard the new version of "Oh Santa," and I liked it a lot more than I thought I would! Imo, it improves upon the original, so however well or poorly it does, at least it gives the song more exposure than it's had in the past 10 years.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 4, 2020 23:30:08 GMT -5
Oh Santa jumps to #66 on the Apple Music charts.
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Post by theedge12 on Dec 4, 2020 23:34:17 GMT -5
What an amazing special! Bravo Mariah & Appleš she seemed to get emotional during silent night! Was beautiful.š¤©  |
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 4, 2020 23:49:46 GMT -5
I didnāt know Apple was doing an old school MTV-esque music video channel for her! It has been forever since I saw the Cant Take That Away (Mariahās Theme) video. Damn and now into The Roof š©
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 0:02:50 GMT -5
Oh wow oprah supporting a person of color and not someone like Taylor Swift. Shocking. |
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Dec 5, 2020 0:27:33 GMT -5
With headphones, I truly appreciate how everyoneās voices interacted on Oh Santa.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 0:30:51 GMT -5
With headphones, I truly appreciate how everyoneās voices interacted on Oh Santa. The harmonies once they kick in after a few listens and ending is amazing. So much background work going on. |
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 5, 2020 0:42:12 GMT -5
Mariah seems to command a level attention with every new release, but then it just fizzles out if it doesnāt capture peopleās imagination. I think something really unexpected would hold the attention of the public pretty well. Also songs like GTFO can hurt her other very important brand (Christmas Queen) in the long run. I actually think she could still have at least one more big commercial era if everything lined up. She still looks great and people still love her. I think she should have another big commercial hit but not an era of that makes sense. Believe and 4 minutes are really the only precedent we have for females getting bit hits once hitting 50. And in the US Madonna and Cher didnāt have much single success the rest of those eras or even after that. |
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 5, 2020 1:25:19 GMT -5
With headphones, I truly appreciate how everyoneās voices interacted on Oh Santa. The harmonies once they kick in after a few listens and ending is amazing. So much background work going on. Watching the video enhances that because you see them doing their different harmonies. Also the video passed 6 million views! |
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Post by dwhite725 on Dec 5, 2020 3:54:48 GMT -5
Since weāre not to concerned about chart performance then I will say I think Kelly Clarkson wouldāve been a more classic choice over Ariana. Ari sounded great but the chemistry between MC Kelly and JHud wouldāve been much better I think Btw Kelly is doing extremely well with her Christmas project. I would have preferred Kelly, too, but from a commercial standpoint Ariana makes sense. Kelly isn't relevant commercially. Neither is J Hud, of course, but they needed at least one of the guests to pull in streams/sales. I like the idea someone said of Tori Kelly being the third over J Hud. Kelly, JHud and Tori are all irrelevant commercially. How Tori keeps getting booked is beyond me. Stop trying to make fetch happen. At least one won idol and has an Emmy award winning talk show and the other is an Oscar winner. Tori Kelly? I know sheās had a hit - whoops. I figured she had. She has a #2 album in 2015. She hasnāt even had a top 40 hit on the Hot 100. I personally donāt think thereās anything special to Tori and Iām not a huge fan of her voice either. |
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Post by Wolfy on Dec 5, 2020 4:32:36 GMT -5
6.7M now. It's been consistently at #2 all day.
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Post by JamaicaFunkĀ² on Dec 5, 2020 6:55:59 GMT -5
HDD has Merry Christmas at #14 Top Albums! Wow at Nat King Cole being above it. Anyone happen to know how far ahead of Celine she is at this point. Even though she outsells Celineās album every year, Iām always surprised at just how close they are in total sales. Celine is a silent seller at Christmas, I think. |
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Post by Dreams on Dec 5, 2020 7:12:33 GMT -5
Mariah seems to command a level attention with every new release, but then it just fizzles out if it doesnāt capture peopleās imagination. I think something really unexpected would hold the attention of the public pretty well. Also songs like GTFO can hurt her other very important brand (Christmas Queen) in the long run. I actually think she could still have at least one more big commercial era if everything lined up. She still looks great and people still love her. LOL. Every era since 2008, without fail, fans say "one more big commercial era!" "one more big commercial era!" and that era never happens. The one time I thought she was primed for a mini comeback was MIAM, with the massive Idol exposure, and the fact that album had a couple of killer tracks, besides being consistent all around, that could've worked as singles. And we all know what went down then. I think Caution-type eras will be the norm for her from here on out and bonus her yearly Christmas domination, of course. I'd love that, I'd love for her to keep serving quality on the level of Caution. That album is fantastic. |
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Post by Lost In Musical Reverie on Dec 5, 2020 7:44:20 GMT -5
As someone who's been an Ariana Grande fan since 2014 and lived through all the Mariah comparisons, it felt so surreal watching them share the stage and microphone. The moment where they smile at each other after the whistling is so heartwarming. I can't even imagine how Ariana must have felt.
I agree it was an improvement from the original, especially with the added vocal layers and harmonizations. Having Jennifer and Ariana really enhanced the 60s girl group vibe of the song, and they both did a wonderful job, from Jennifer's soulful adlibs to Ariana's soft voice.
While I don't see it becoming the hit some were hoping for, it will definitely give revived exposure and interest to the track, not to mention further re-establishing Mariah's legacy as Queen of Christmas. ā„
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