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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 14, 2020 14:34:24 GMT -5
The article/interview Dreams posted is terrific. I love the description of "AIWFCIY" early in the song, and Mariah being the anti-Grinch. She also talks pretty specifically about the writing of the song in relation to Walter, so maybe people can finally get over it. |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Dec 14, 2020 14:37:47 GMT -5
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Dec 14, 2020 14:39:38 GMT -5
I'm not complaining but I thought "Merry Christmas" would be eligible for Diamond by now. No. "AIWFCIY" is the one eligible for Diamond. Meanwhile Mariah now has 4 albums at 8x platinum or higher - Mariah Carey, Music Box, Merry Christmas, and Daydream. I'm not sure any other woman matches her but will check. I wonder if Emancipation is close? |
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Post by cking33 on Dec 14, 2020 14:39:56 GMT -5
RIAA.com: MARIAH CAREY Title: MERRY CHRISTMASCertification Date: December 14, 2020 Label: LEGACY Format: ALBUM 7xP, 8xPand... MARIAH CAREY Title: ALL I WANT FOR CHRISTMAS IS YOUCertification Date: December 14, 2020 Label: COLUMBIA Format: SINGLE 7xP, 8xPThese are huge. Love to see it. |
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Post by back2blk on Dec 14, 2020 14:48:30 GMT -5
That article was a great read; and I don't know why Walter is so salty - Mariah is very good about mentioning who she works with during interviews. I don't feel she's ever discredited his hand in the song.
LOL at Roc listening to Drake and Travis.
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Post by imbuemyblue on Dec 14, 2020 15:08:49 GMT -5
No. "AIWFCIY" is the one eligible for Diamond. Meanwhile Mariah now has 4 albums at 8x platinum or higher - Mariah Carey, Music Box, Merry Christmas, and Daydream. I'm not sure any other woman matches her but will check. I wonder if Emancipation is close? TEOM is probably still pretty far off from 7x platinum, even. I know at one point we thought #1s was close to 6x. Did that album and GH just get ruined by streaming, I.e. does something like ‘Vision Of Love’ tend to go to the parent album? Would be so amazing if someday the debut and MC became diamond. |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Dec 14, 2020 15:12:45 GMT -5
Would be so amazing if someday the debut and MC became diamond. These two will definitely make it. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 14, 2020 15:16:58 GMT -5
I wonder if Emancipation is close? TEOM is probably still pretty far off from 7x platinum, even. I know at one point we thought #1s was close to 6x. Did that album and GH just get ruined by streaming, I.e. does something like ‘Vision Of Love’ tend to go to the parent album? Would be so amazing if someday the debut and MC became diamond. Labels choose which album to credit a song's stream to. My guess is most of Mariah's singles would be credited to their parent album since those are the ones with the most certification potential. #1s has essentially been discontinued because of #1 to Infinity, and there would be no point giving the newer one the streams since it isn't even Gold. The GH did sell well in the end, but it's still only 2x platinum so not close to any major milestones. It certainly makes more sense to give streams to the debut, Daydream, etc. |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Dec 14, 2020 15:28:46 GMT -5
I just realized the two closest albums to go Diamond...the debut and Merry Christmas both are MC initials.  That is some serious ‘it was written’ s**t if I ever saw one. |
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Post by back2blk on Dec 14, 2020 15:42:40 GMT -5
So back to my post last week; I think All I Want can be added to the list of US and UK simultaneous No. 1 songs. If I'm understanding this right.
The Weeknd – "Blinding Lights", 11 April, 25 April 2020 (two weeks)[97][98][99]
Lady Gaga and Ariana Grande – "Rain on Me", 6 June 2020 (one week)[100][101]
DaBaby featuring Roddy Ricch – "Rockstar", 13–20 June, 4 July 2020 (three weeks)[102][103][104][105]
Cardi B featuring Megan Thee Stallion – "WAP", 19–26 September 2020 (two weeks)[106][107][108]
Ariana Grande – "Positions", 31 October 2020 (one week)[109][110]
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 15:50:06 GMT -5
The way she’s relegated Walter’s contribution to just the bridge.... look who knows BUT, if we’re gonna start penny pinching at who did what I think we must remember- love takes time, dreamlover, hero, anytime you need a friend, Hero, one sweet day, underneath the stars, forever, butterfly, my all, lead the way, HERO! She owes a lot to Walter, he owes a lot to her.
The best part of that article is that her Son likes Drake. He also liked Ariana so maybe to look cool to her kids she’ll collaborate with him too! Just hopefully it won’t be a Christmas tune!
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Post by Dreams on Dec 14, 2020 15:53:55 GMT -5
Was hoping for a little higher for oh Santa but I ll take it There’s only so much the lambs and the Arianators can do! 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 15:54:11 GMT -5
I hope one day TEOM is certified diamond so that when you look at her career the diamond albums are a bit more spread out to echo the longevity of her career.
MC (1990)
MB (1993)
MC (1994)
DD (1995)
TEOM (2005)
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Dec 14, 2020 16:01:22 GMT -5
Was hoping for a little higher for oh Santa but I ll take it There’s only so much the lambs and the Arianators can do! 🤷🏻♂️ It sucks it couldn’t maximize its points on the first week due to being an Apple exclusive and not having the Spotify support. But hey it’s way better than the initial #100 placement. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 14, 2020 16:03:54 GMT -5
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Post by #LisaRinna on Dec 14, 2020 16:12:35 GMT -5
US iTunes:
#4 - "All I Want for Christmas Is You"
#25 - Merry Christmas
#36 - "Oh Santa!" f/ Ariana Grande & Jennifer Hudson
#37 - Mariah Carey's Magical Christmas Special
#81 - Merry Christmas II You
#185 - "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)"
#267 - "All I Want for Christmas Is You (Magical Christmas Mix)"
#343 - "Oh Santa!"
#376 - "O Holy Night"
#496 - "Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town"
#567 - "Sleigh Ride"
#866 - Overture "Little Mariah's" Theme
#971 - "All I Want for Christmas Is You (Extra Festive)"
#1232 - Merry Christmas Deluxe
#1302 - "Joy to the World"
Spotify US:
4. Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You - 1,345,508 plays (-109,797)
123. Mariah Carey - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) - 324,682 plays (-22,458)
172. Mariah Carey - Oh Santa! feat. Ariana Grande & Jennifer Hudson - 267,416 plays (-23,614)
Global Spotify:
2. Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You - 5,144,323 plays (-605,017)
174. Mariah Carey - Oh Santa! feat. Ariana Grande & Jennifer Hudson - 864,009 plays (-92,141)
195. Mariah Carey - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) - 807,470 plays
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 16:23:37 GMT -5
I wonder if Emancipation is close? TEOM is probably still pretty far off from 7x platinum, even. I know at one point we thought #1s was close to 6x. Did that album and GH just get ruined by streaming, I.e. does something like ‘Vision Of Love’ tend to go to the parent album? If a song appears on more than one album, the TEA/SEA from that specific recording* goes toward whichever album sold the most that week when not counting the TEA/SEA from the shared song(s). So yeah, #1s is probably getting eaten up by all the parent albums streaming more. It's kind of ironic because I think it's fairly common for GH sets to take away from the original parent albums (bc fans in a mood to listen to an artist will gravitate toward the thing that has all the hits in one place). But Mariah has so many fan-favorite deep cuts that the listening trends with her are probably different. *If Mariah were to re-record her songs for any reason, the re-recordings would be counted separately, I believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 16:26:44 GMT -5
There’s only so much the lambs and the Arianators can do! 🤷🏻♂️ It sucks it couldn’t maximize its points on the first week due to being an Apple exclusive and not having the Spotify support. But hey it’s way better than the initial #100 placement. Hopefully it can work its way up to top 50 in the next couple of weeks. The one thing I would have done differently is have the special a week (or even two weeks) earlier, so she would have more time to push it up the chart. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 14, 2020 16:28:22 GMT -5
TEOM is probably still pretty far off from 7x platinum, even. I know at one point we thought #1s was close to 6x. Did that album and GH just get ruined by streaming, I.e. does something like ‘Vision Of Love’ tend to go to the parent album? If a song appears on more than one album, the TEA/SEA from that specific recording* goes toward whichever album sold the most that week when not counting the TEA/SEA from the shared song(s). So yeah, #1s is probably getting eaten up by all the parent albums streaming more. It's kind of ironic because I think it's fairly common for GH sets to take away from the original parent albums (bc fans in a mood to listen to an artist will gravitate toward the thing that has all the hits in one place). But Mariah has so many fan-favorite deep cuts that the listening trends with her are probably different. *If Mariah were to re-record her songs for any reason, the re-recordings would be counted separately, I believe. I don't know what you are quoting there; sounds like HITS. That isn't how it works for the RIAA (or Billboard). Let's use "Always Be My Baby" as an example. Whether you stream it from Daydream or from GH, its streams count toward one album that is designated by the label. I assume Sony is having it count toward Daydream, but I could be wrong about the specific album. But yes, if Mariah were to re-record a song, which she did with "AIWFCIY" for MCIIY and "Oh Santa" for the new soundtrack, those count as separate songs. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 16:36:02 GMT -5
If a song appears on more than one album, the TEA/SEA from that specific recording* goes toward whichever album sold the most that week when not counting the TEA/SEA from the shared song(s). So yeah, #1s is probably getting eaten up by all the parent albums streaming more. It's kind of ironic because I think it's fairly common for GH sets to take away from the original parent albums (bc fans in a mood to listen to an artist will gravitate toward the thing that has all the hits in one place). But Mariah has so many fan-favorite deep cuts that the listening trends with her are probably different. *If Mariah were to re-record her songs for any reason, the re-recordings would be counted separately, I believe. I don't know what you are quoting there; sounds like HITS. That isn't how it works for the RIAA (or Billboard). Let's use "Always Be My Baby" as an example. Whether you stream it from Daydream or from GH, its streams count toward one album that is designated by the label. I assume Sony is having it count toward Daydream, but I could be wrong about the specific album. But yes, if Mariah were to re-record a song, which she did with "AIWFCIY" for MCIIY and "Oh Santa" for the new soundtrack, those count as separate songs. yeah, I think I'm quoting HDD. I wasn't aware BB or RIAA did it differently. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 18:26:34 GMT -5
Jimmy Jam was asked about Mariah in an IG Live interview last night.. he was asked about Michael and Janet in the same question and grouped them all together in his answer.. he said what separates her (and them) from some of the other acts they’ve worked with over the years is that music is as essential to her being as “air and water”. He went on to talk about how she lives and breathe music and how music is always coming to her.
Nice to hear another legendary musician speak on Mariah’s talents as a songwriter and producer.
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Post by ccchui on Dec 14, 2020 18:37:53 GMT -5
The way she’s relegated Walter’s contribution to just the bridge.... look who knows BUT, if we’re gonna start penny pinching at who did what I think we must remember- love takes time, dreamlover, hero, anytime you need a friend, Hero, one sweet day, underneath the stars, forever, butterfly, my all, lead the way, HERO! She owes a lot to Walter, he owes a lot to her. The best part of that article is that her Son likes Drake. He also liked Ariana so maybe to look cool to her kids she’ll collaborate with him too! Just hopefully it won’t be a Christmas tune! Well I think there are some mistakes in this post about Walter's contribution. Love Takes Time is written by Mariah and Ben, Walter is just doing the producing part of it. So definitely Walter cannot take credit for the songwriting for this great song. The same thing go to Dreamlover, Walter did do the co-producing. But this song is written between Mariah and Dave Hall. so definitely Walter also cannot be credited for this great song's songwriting. I think Mariah was really undermined by a lot of her male peers and even her fans or media to her song-writing ability. That is really an injustice to her talent. The facts that 18 of her #1 hits in US and some of her other big hits, she has a hand on writing on all of them, should be a fact that she is the one who is heavily involved in her songwriting process. So please do respect our Queen in that regard! |
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Post by cking33 on Dec 14, 2020 18:55:53 GMT -5
The way she’s relegated Walter’s contribution to just the bridge.... look who knows BUT, if we’re gonna start penny pinching at who did what I think we must remember- love takes time, dreamlover, hero, anytime you need a friend, Hero, one sweet day, underneath the stars, forever, butterfly, my all, lead the way, HERO! She owes a lot to Walter, he owes a lot to her. The best part of that article is that her Son likes Drake. He also liked Ariana so maybe to look cool to her kids she’ll collaborate with him too! Just hopefully it won’t be a Christmas tune! Well I think there are some mistakes in this post about Walter's contribution. Love Takes Time is written by Mariah and Ben, Walter is just doing the producing part of it. So definitely Walter cannot take credit for the songwriting for this great song. The same thing go to Dreamlover, Walter did do the co-producing. But this song is written between Mariah and Dave Hall. so definitely Walter also cannot be credited for this great song's songwriting. I think Mariah was really undermined by a lot of her male peers and even her fans or media to her song-writing ability. That is really an injustice to her talent. The facts that 18 of her #1 hits in US and some of her other big hits, she has a hand on writing on all of them, should be a fact that she is the one who is heavily involved in her songwriting process. So please do respect our Queen in that regard! It's interesting to see this in the Grammy process too. Mariah and Walter were nominated in 1992 together in the Producer of the Year category. Walter was nominated again in 1994 and 1998 by himself without Mariah (he had started working with Celine and Michael Bolton during the 1993-94 cycle to be fair) but I'm guessing he submitted songs he worked on and that Mariah co-produced (like Dreamlover and Hero in '94 and Butterfly and My All in '98) on but Mariah didn't get a nomination on her own. |
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Post by Positive Tension on Dec 14, 2020 19:01:35 GMT -5
I can't believe Merry Christmas is 8x platinum already- that's incredible!
Love the new interview posted earlier on the page. It's especially great when Mariah elaborates on the process of creating the song,
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Dec 14, 2020 19:40:11 GMT -5
It's interesting to see this in the Grammy process too. Mariah and Walter were nominated in 1992 together in the Producer of the Year category. Walter was nominated again in 1994 and 1998 by himself without Mariah (he had started working with Celine and Michael Bolton during the 1993-94 cycle to be fair) but I'm guessing he submitted songs he worked on and that Mariah co-produced (like Dreamlover and Hero in '94 and Butterfly and My All in '98) on but Mariah didn't get a nomination on her own. The same can be said about the writing in general. All 5 of his #1’s are with Mariah as he has yet to have a #1 as a writer outside of their collab. Mariah has 13 other written #1’s without him. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 20:01:57 GMT -5
Top of the world. With a little song that she wrote while some bald headed scallywag played a piano and suggested a couple ideas and took credit. No shade no T
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 14, 2020 20:07:37 GMT -5
The same can be said about the writing in general. All 5 of his #1’s are with Mariah as he has yet to have a #1 as a writer outside of their collab. Mariah has 13 other written #1’s without him. The power that that has, the intelligence that that has... |
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Post by Mazo on Dec 14, 2020 20:09:55 GMT -5
The way she’s relegated Walter’s contribution to just the bridge.... look who knows BUT, if we’re gonna start penny pinching at who did what I think we must remember- love takes time, dreamlover, hero, anytime you need a friend, Hero, one sweet day, underneath the stars, forever, butterfly, my all, lead the way, HERO! She owes a lot to Walter, he owes a lot to her. The best part of that article is that her Son likes Drake. He also liked Ariana so maybe to look cool to her kids she’ll collaborate with him too! Just hopefully it won’t be a Christmas tune! Hell the fuck no. Her son would like Drake cause he’s forced down our throats but Mariah doesn’t need to collab with him. I hate when people say a popular artist should collab with the current artist o’day because they are it right now. It wouldn’t even sound right. I would prefer a Kendrick Lamar collab over a soccer mom loving Drake one. |
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Post by back2blk on Dec 14, 2020 20:30:58 GMT -5
It's interesting to see this in the Grammy process too. Mariah and Walter were nominated in 1992 together in the Producer of the Year category. Walter was nominated again in 1994 and 1998 by himself without Mariah (he had started working with Celine and Michael Bolton during the 1993-94 cycle to be fair) but I'm guessing he submitted songs he worked on and that Mariah co-produced (like Dreamlover and Hero in '94 and Butterfly and My All in '98) on but Mariah didn't get a nomination on her own. The same can be said about the writing in general. All 5 of his #1’s are with Mariah as he has yet to have a #1 as a writer outside of their collab. Mariah has 13 other written #1’s without him. Ugh. Her mind. Edit: that comment was my 100th post on here. I love it. |
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Post by adamalterlago on Dec 14, 2020 20:41:44 GMT -5
The way she’s relegated Walter’s contribution to just the bridge.... look who knows BUT, if we’re gonna start penny pinching at who did what I think we must remember- love takes time, dreamlover, hero, anytime you need a friend, Hero, one sweet day, underneath the stars, forever, butterfly, my all, lead the way, HERO! She owes a lot to Walter, he owes a lot to her. The best part of that article is that her Son likes Drake. He also liked Ariana so maybe to look cool to her kids she’ll collaborate with him too! Just hopefully it won’t be a Christmas tune! Hell the f**k no. Her son would like Drake cause he’s forced down our throats but Mariah doesn’t need to collab with him. I hate when people say a popular artist should collab with the current artist o’day because they are it right now. It wouldn’t even sound right. I would prefer a Kendrick Lamar collab over a soccer mom loving Drake one. I’m getting the feeling that Drake may be the collab she was discussing on the Apple interview. He has a new album coming out and he obviously respects her from the Emotions sample off his last album. Im here for it. If the song is right, that could be a sure fire 20th #1. |
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