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Post by Positive Tension on Dec 4, 2014 18:41:05 GMT -5
The press and other haters can suck it. It wasn't an A performance, but it wasn't an F either. Yes Mariah is held to a higher standard, but even when she's great they don't praise her to the extent they rip her when she's a little off. This performance does not deserve the level of criticism it's getting. Also someone who was at the taping on Tuesday said Idina Menzel messed up things and did re-takes, as did Seth on his song. Mariah didn't get that benefit. Idina also messed up her big note at the Oscars and people didn't beg her to retire. Mariah didn't get that benefit because she was late. And I don't get the Idina argument--she was never nor will ever be as famous as Mariah Carey. Their careers are totally different, and Idina's voice was never as good as Mariah's. But maybe if Mariah had John Travolta introduce her with a hilariously butchered name, people would be focusing on that instead of the performance, as with Idina and the Oscars (for which she should thank her lucky stars). Mariah's fans' life work is fighting to keep her on this untouchable pedestal, and then are shocked when the rest of the world holds her to that. You must not have seen her fans' posts during 2008. That was by far her worst year for vocal performances, and most thought her voice was gone. That's why I'm surprised that of all of Mariah's performances, the public and press are jumping on this one when she has been so much worse. Just look back to her most recent tour footage. This doesn't help your case. The performance was poor. Sorry. Her tour did have some good vocal moments toward the middle-end.
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Post by dbhmr on Dec 4, 2014 18:46:09 GMT -5
Mariah didn't get that benefit because she was late. And I don't get the Idina argument--she was never nor will ever be as famous as Mariah Carey. Their careers are totally different, and Idina's voice was never as good as Mariah's. But maybe if Mariah had John Travolta introduce her with a hilariously butchered name, people would be focusing on that instead of the performance, as with Idina and the Oscars (for which she should thank her lucky stars). Mariah's fans' life work is fighting to keep her on this untouchable pedestal, and then are shocked when the rest of the world holds her to that. You must not have seen her fans' posts during 2008. That was by far her worst year for vocal performances, and most thought her voice was gone. That's why I'm surprised that of all of Mariah's performances, the public and press are jumping on this one when she has been so much worse. I don't get the surprise. Fans herald her as THE VOICE, still relevant, anoint "All I Want For Christmas Is You" as the defining Christmas classic of our lifetime...and yet they don't get the negative coverage when she performs said classic at a high-profile event with a voice that doesn't in the least resemble the recording? Do you all not know how the internet works? Do you expect casual audiences to remember thinking her voice was terrible during some GMA promo they may have seen a few minutes of six years ago? The lack of comprehension over this very basic media take-down is staggering, especially in 2014, and even more especially for Pulse posters. This is basically our livelihood--it's just turned against your fave today.
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Post by Positive Tension on Dec 4, 2014 19:01:12 GMT -5
No, but I didn't think the casual listener would expect Mariah to sound as good in 2014 as she did in 1994. I thought the performance was on par with a lot of ones she's done over the past ten years or so. Plus, it's not as if talk about Mariah losing some of the power in her voice is new- I thought it had been going on since Charmbracelet.
Anyway, she'll have to do well for her Christmas concerts later this month. Her voice is unpredictable, but she still has it in her to give a good performance.
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Post by surfy on Dec 4, 2014 19:07:26 GMT -5
I, personally, am not surprised. I also don't think she is "the voice", she WAS "the voice". She is talented, of course, but not the best singer in the history of ever. It's just people need to stop automatically jumping on the bandwagon of whoever is being made fun of today, sit down and think logicially, and then say what they need to say... Realistically, this will never happen, but it doesn't make this shit any less ridiculous.
(Also, I know you probably weren't referring to me in your post anyway, dbhmr, it's just my personal opinion about your angle to the discussion :) )
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Post by 14887fan on Dec 4, 2014 19:09:40 GMT -5
That really wasn't good. She had some sweet moments, but I don't see how anyone can sit here and defend those (literal) squeals when she went for those high notes. Her voice is shot. Sad, but true. I don't see where anyone has defended the squeals. In fact as "blind" as some of you are claiming lambs to be, some of you are blind to what we are actually writing. NO ONE has said it was a perfect or genuinely grata performance. It's just that some of us think this isn't a cause for retirement. The belting sounded good and is better than some of the current girls could do. Why do we have to focus on the notes she missed? It's so tiresome. I'd hate to go through life with the miserable attitude some of you have; it can't be fun. Don't sit here and act like you wouldn't call out the first performer that you disliked for having an off performance. And not even performers you dislike, but even performers you do like. It's called critiquing! Such an incredible concept, really. Here's what you do: you watch a performance, listen to music, or do, quite literally, anything (sit in a class as a teacher teaches something, eat food that your mother or father makes, selecting what kind of kitchen cabinets you'd like to put in your home, etc.) and you pick out the things you do and don't like about them. It's a remarkable thing. There's a difference being having a miserable attitude and just fucking watching/listening to a performance and giving my 2 cents on it. Discussing opinions in this thread is like talking to a brick wall.
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Post by inclinations on Dec 4, 2014 19:11:40 GMT -5
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Post by surfy on Dec 4, 2014 19:14:13 GMT -5
I don't see where anyone has defended the squeals. In fact as "blind" as some of you are claiming lambs to be, some of you are blind to what we are actually writing. NO ONE has said it was a perfect or genuinely grata performance. It's just that some of us think this isn't a cause for retirement. The belting sounded good and is better than some of the current girls could do. Why do we have to focus on the notes she missed? It's so tiresome. I'd hate to go through life with the miserable attitude some of you have; it can't be fun. Don't sit here and act like you wouldn't call out the first performer that you disliked for having an off performance. And not even performers you dislike, but even performers you do like. It's called critiquing! Such an incredible concept, really. Here's what you do: you watch a performance, listen to music, or do, quite literally, anything (sit in a class as a teacher teaches something, eat food that your mother or father makes, selecting what kind of kitchen cabinets you'd like to put in your home, etc.) and you pick out the things you do and don't like about them. It's a remarkable thing. There's a difference being having a miserable attitude and just f**king watching/listening to a performance and giving my 2 cents on it. Discussing opinions in this thread is like talking to a brick wall. Right? People should critique! I love critiquing! Critique also needs context for it to work. Now, although these posters may not be wrong, some are seriously exaggerating their critiques to make it seem like the whole performance was off rather than a few rough spots. There's definitely nothing wrong with pointing out the bad things in a performance though, and I don't think anyone in their right mind on here would argue with that. But the context is showing that she's improved lately, so they're simply happy about that. There are, of course, people taking it to the extremes on both sides though... (just like everything in life. ) Also, I agree about the "first performer" thing... many performers have delivered some solid performances and many of these same posters have trashed them to hell and back... it's really hypocritical that some of them are stating you can't critique Mariah...
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Dec 4, 2014 19:16:33 GMT -5
She is talented, of course, but not the best singer in the history of ever. There is a very good chance that at one point in time she was, indeed, the best vocalist that ever lived. At least to a very good number of people.
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Post by Positive Tension on Dec 4, 2014 19:18:34 GMT -5
I guess the main source of my surprise was the fact that Mariah has had some spotty performances for a decade or more, yet the press didn't focus on those. Yeah, she rode high with Mimi and the beginning of E=MC2, but still, it was just kind of strange that this is the performance that the press is hounding on. If some thought the performance was horrible throughout, that's their opinion, but other than Mariah missing a few notes, I thought she did a pretty decent job. It's not the end of the world if she can't hit a high note.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Dec 4, 2014 19:21:03 GMT -5
The thirst is getting REAL. let's all lip synch to this...loooves it
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Post by carrieidol1 on Dec 4, 2014 19:27:02 GMT -5
I guess the main source of my surprise was the fact that Mariah has had some spotty performances for a decade or more, yet the press didn't focus on those. Yeah, she rode high with Mimi and the beginning of E=MC2, but still, It was just kind of strange that this is the performance that's getting hounded on after all this time. It wasn't perfect, and there were a few missed notes, but I heard the golden tone, so I was happy. I think this has to do with the fact that the song she sang is the one everyone is hearing on the radio right now. It's not like she was singing "Vision of Love", she was singing one of the most popular Christmas songs of all time, one that is currently topping the charts for the 20th time... Mariah, "the queen of Christmas" and "the voice" is what people expect, ESPECIALLY when she's singing easily the biggest Christmas song of the past two decades. People maybe didn't focus on her voice in the past because she wasn't as relevant? In other words, Christmas time is the season of Mariah. She's everywhere: on the radio, in stores, on tv, etc... Of course any missteps would be magnified, then, considering her exposure is higher too.
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Post by slamina on Dec 4, 2014 19:46:21 GMT -5
Ugh, this is just sad. She really had an amazing voice at her prime. Now she consistently delivers these rough vocals. I'm a fan of her, but I'd prefer for her to leave us with those classic, stunning performances in our mind instead of croaking out performances like these. I don't think it's doing her any good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 19:49:27 GMT -5
She is talented, of course, but not the best singer in the history of ever. There is a very good chance that at one point in time she was, indeed, the best vocalist that ever lived. At least to a very good number of people. This. I just dont understand why this performance caused a fuss, but I love it. Mariah is one of the greatest vocalists to ever grab mic in her prime. 25 years later we all know those days are gone. That doesn't mean we cant comment on her performances but it will be done with respect and must pass my approval. So unless I personally like you, the rest can sit with the bum bitches. If I like you, continue because i know what you're all about:) However the irrelevant making themselves known in here? Bitch i'm known, i wont entertain you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 19:55:50 GMT -5
I'm also 2 glasses away from being drunk unless you want to fight me, or have me open the gates of useless hell move this conversation to a place I want. I create this thread, I decide what is being discussed! #bumbitches.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Dec 4, 2014 19:56:22 GMT -5
I think she is getting residual from her no show the day before. The thing is when you mess up once and you have a chance to make it right and you deliver just an ok performance that isn't going to do with the public, so the public does what it does best and lashes out.
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Post by musiclover98 on Dec 4, 2014 19:57:09 GMT -5
People will literally jump on whatever bandwagon the media tells them to. The amount of foolery I've seen regarding this performance reveals just how idiotic the public is. There are much more important things going on in the world and MC's vocal chords have been failing or flying for the past 17 years. Funny though because I can think of a number of female poptarts who couldn't even do what Mariah did last night on their best day. But whatever. Mariah has the last laugh because these broke ass clowns still can't seem to remove her name from their toothless mouths.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 19:58:03 GMT -5
Mariah has the last laugh because these broke ass clowns still can't seem to remove her name from their toothless mouths. HAHAHAH
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 20:01:34 GMT -5
@touch I am slowly being lowered I will meet you here in 2 hours when i get all the way dowwwwwwn. xo
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Dec 4, 2014 20:01:46 GMT -5
Mariah makes more money in a day off this song than most people see in their life time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 20:04:30 GMT -5
LMFAO
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 20:34:08 GMT -5
Mariah's been getting these kind of reactions to her live performances for over 15 years now, and yet she still gets invited to do these performances and will probably continue getting invited to them as long as she's up for it (especially to perform "All I Want For Christmas Is You" every year). The dramatics ("the voice is gone", "she should retire", "no one will go see her live anymore") have become just that. She'll be back on TV next Christmas, and the same reactions will happen as if people are shocked she doesn't sound like she used to all over again.
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Post by weaver on Dec 4, 2014 20:59:10 GMT -5
Ok...I watched last night, and just listened to the live vocal feed on youtube. It's not her best vocal ever, but it's not like it was an unmitigated disaster either. A few higher full vocals did not come out. A few of the falsetto notes didn't sound that great. It wasn't perfect. The real issue to me is...who in the hell isolated her mic and posted it? THAT is f**ked up. Let's hear the isolated mics from some of the other performances, which I did not think sounded all that amazing either.
I just had a funny thought - will all the hate watching on you tube count for streaming for the hot 100? That would be hilarious!
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Post by fitandtanned on Dec 4, 2014 21:38:35 GMT -5
I dunno but y'all, but to say someone's voice is "shot" implies that the person can't sing at all. CLEARLY that is not the case, as Mariah proves TIME AND TIME again. Oh...and I will NEVER defend Nick Cannon again after he retweeted that post. "Comedian" aside, this is the mother of your children that you professed your undying love to before God and family and the whole world. Have some f**king class. Differing opinions are acceptable, but personal comments like this are not. Obviously, constructive comments would have been better than such provocative, insubstantial statements like that "death bed" one, but please refrain from personally targeting fellow posters. My bad. I didn't mean it to sound like I was threatening HIM as a person. More like: I saw the makings of a troll and I wanted to let him know that trolling is not acceptable and he would get the boot but yeah, I know it didn't come across too well. Do you even know that someone on their Death bed won't even have the strength to whisper? WTH? THIS, however, put ME on MY deathbed. I legit LOL'd. The press and other haters can suck it. It wasn't an A performance, but it wasn't an F either. Yes Mariah is held to a higher standard, but even when she's great they don't praise her to the extent they rip her when she's a little off. This performance does not deserve the level of criticism it's getting. Also someone who was at the taping on Tuesday said Idina Menzel messed up things and did re-takes, as did Seth on his song. Mariah didn't get that benefit. Idina also messed up her big note at the Oscars and people didn't beg her to retire. That is PRECISELY what happened. I was there during Seth's recording and they did several takes. Mariah would have had the benefit too if she was able to tape the prior night, as previously scheduled. We ALL know what Mariah sounds like when she is in her element. Do I REALLY need to dig up those impromptu jazz performances from those small cocktail bars or whatever? Bashing other people wont change that Mariah didnt sound great last night. Dig up as many performances as you like from the past, it wont change that mariah didnt sound great last night. Mariah sounded beautiful singing my all and WBT on her recent tour, but she didnt sound great last night. Mariah can still sing but she didnt sound great last night. To sum up Mariah didnt sound great last night but life does on. Lambs just need to deal. All the excuses are juvenile.
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Post by Flavoured on Dec 4, 2014 21:40:07 GMT -5
The vocals were not horrible like the world is making them out to be. I'm so sick of reading this shit when she delivered THIS performance 18 days ago.
Or THIS performance 32 days ago.
The haters need to sit ALL THE WAY DOWN.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Dec 4, 2014 21:50:08 GMT -5
I dunno but y'all, but to say someone's voice is "shot" implies that the person can't sing at all. CLEARLY that is not the case, as Mariah proves TIME AND TIME again. Oh...and I will NEVER defend Nick Cannon again after he retweeted that post. "Comedian" aside, this is the mother of your children that you professed your undying love to before God and family and the whole world. Have some f**king class. My bad. I didn't mean it to sound like I was threatening HIM as a person. More like: I saw the makings of a troll and I wanted to let him know that trolling is not acceptable and he would get the boot but yeah, I know it didn't come across too well. THIS, however, put ME on MY deathbed. I legit LOL'd. That is PRECISELY what happened. I was there during Seth's recording and they did several takes. Mariah would have had the benefit too if she was able to tape the prior night, as previously scheduled. We ALL know what Mariah sounds like when she is in her element. Do I REALLY need to dig up those impromptu jazz performances from those small cocktail bars or whatever? Bashing other people wont change that Mariah didnt sound great last night. Dig up as many performances as you like from the past, it wont change that mariah didnt sound great last night. Mariah sounded beautiful singing my all and WBT on her recent tour, but she didnt sound great last night. Mariah can still sing but she didnt sound great last night. To sum up Mariah didnt sound great last night but life does on. Lambs just need to deal. All the excuses are juvenile. Has any lamb said Mariah sounded great or brilliant last night, though? A lot of you guys are overthinking about it, as if the lambs weren't able to say anything negative towards her, when it is not true. Most fans here are pretty realistic. We simply are not obliged to embrace all the unnecessary drama surrounding those vocals.
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Post by fitandtanned on Dec 4, 2014 22:01:43 GMT -5
The vocals were not horrible like the world is making them out to be. I'm so sick of reading this s**t when she delivered THIS performance 18 days ago. Or THIS performance 32 days ago. The haters need to sit ALL THE WAY DOWN. These performances have nothing to do with last night. No one is questioning these performances. Why do people have such a hard time understanding this ? The real question is when Mariah was booked for a high profile event why didnt she ensure that her voice was up to par? She knew she was booked, she put herself there. Having her voice ready is her responsibility. Simple. The performance last night was ok but her voice sounded dry and raspy to me. For whatever reason she hasnt been able to maintain the sweetness in her voice that she had on tour. I mean just listen to her WBT performances, she sounded so beautiful singing that song on tour.
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Post by fitandtanned on Dec 4, 2014 22:03:28 GMT -5
Bashing other people wont change that Mariah didnt sound great last night. Dig up as many performances as you like from the past, it wont change that mariah didnt sound great last night. Mariah sounded beautiful singing my all and WBT on her recent tour, but she didnt sound great last night. Mariah can still sing but she didnt sound great last night. To sum up Mariah didnt sound great last night but life does on. Lambs just need to deal. All the excuses are juvenile. Has any lamb said Mariah sounded great or brilliant last night, though? A lot of you guys are overthinking about it, as if the lambs weren't able to say anything negative towards her, when it is not true. Most fans here are pretty realistic. We simply are not obliged to embrace all the unnecessary drama surrounding those vocals. Yeah ive seen the words slayed being mentioned here and there. And anyone saying she didnt sound good being shot down and insulted.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Dec 4, 2014 22:11:41 GMT -5
Okay. We all know Mariah's voice has ups and downs. So the next time she delivers a great televised performance (for example, with Bublé last year), I want to see many of you guys jumping in here to comment about it. I'm moving on for now ;)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 22:13:39 GMT -5
Dont respond to him.
A) he has 129 posts and only 18 likes= bad ratings B) his 129 posts are just digs at Mimi when he wants to troll C) He lied he isnt fit nor tanned.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Dec 4, 2014 22:15:30 GMT -5
Dont respond to him. A) he has 129 posts and only 18 likes= bad ratings B) his 129 posts are just digs at Mimi when he wants to troll I thought he didn't survive after your epic comment: "The only thing more satisfying than a backhanded compliment is a backhanded slap right to the face" :kii:
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