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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 8:28:34 GMT -5
Triumphant was a horrible mess, it sucked. I'm sure even Mariah regrets the song inspired by Nick Cannon's illness.
Paul might not have had a hit on his own in 30 years but Mariah hasn't had a real hit since 2009 (some would even say April 2008). Yet both artists have written some of the most prolific pop songs in the history of music. The Beatles will always be considered the best act all time. I would be so down for an Elvis "little less conversation" moment between the three of them.
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Post by Leigh on Jan 29, 2015 9:11:46 GMT -5
I see the charm of having the three of them on a song together, given the Hot 100 record situation, but I really do not think it would do Mariah any favours. Certainly not on radio, nor with relevancy.
If Mariah was to ever record a duets album (and I'm not saying she should, I find the concept a little cringey), I'd be open to having an album track with Paul - maybe a bit of Hey Jude realness again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 9:47:49 GMT -5
Triumphant was a horrible mess, it sucked. I'm sure even Mariah regrets the song inspired by Nick Cannon's illness. Paul might not have had a hit on his own in 30 years but Mariah hasn't had a real hit since 2009 (some would even say April 2008). Yet both artists have written some of the most prolific pop songs in the history of music. The Beatles will always be considered the best act all time. I would be so down for an Elvis "little less conversation" moment between the three of them. The point is that past success does not necessarily lead to future success at radio, especially when the past success we're referring to was so long ago. The idea that a Mariah single would be helped by Elvis and Paul McCartney is ludicrous. Rihanna's single would be blowing up with or without Paul McCartney.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jan 29, 2015 11:30:07 GMT -5
Rumor Alert: A friend of mine who lives in LA is going to the opening night of MC's Vegas show....anyhow, he wrote a friend of his that works in Vegas to see if he can get him backstage passes to meet Mariah etc.... well, in the exchange back and forth the friend told him, "She's back with Benny, I think". As in Medina, as in her new manager.
I don't know how true that is. But I can't picture Mariah having Medina back while he's with JLo.
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Post by Mean A$$ on Jan 29, 2015 13:12:53 GMT -5
Rumor Alert: A friend of mine who lives in LA is going to the opening night of MC's Vegas show....anyhow, he wrote a friend of his that works in Vegas to see if he can get him backstage passes to meet Mariah etc.... well, in the exchange back and forth the friend told him, "She's back with Benny, I think". As in Medina, as in her new manager. I don't know how true that is. But I can't picture Mariah having Medina back while he's with JLo. Nah, highly unlikely. Mariah has done well for herself as her own manager. A few misses here and there but overall, shes done well for herself.. So I don't know how much more a manager will bring to the table for her. I mean unless its a really really good well connected person.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Jan 29, 2015 14:26:08 GMT -5
A FEW misses??
Name a not miss other than the xmas shows. And Vegas has yet to happen, so that doesn't count.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jan 29, 2015 14:30:06 GMT -5
A FEW misses?? Name a not miss other than the xmas shows. And Vegas has yet to happen, so that doesn't count. Well JD was dropped after MIAMTEC so everything from then on has been all Mariah. Meaning she's been on an upward trend since doing stuff solo dolo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 14:31:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't even count the Christmas show because she was working on it for, what, a decade? The idea was conceived when she had a strong team behind her, and the arranger (Jim Wright), is a holdover from the mid-00s.
I love MIAM but most of the decisions made surrounding her career in the past few years have been complete misfires.
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Post by die Lotterie on Jan 29, 2015 14:37:17 GMT -5
I wonder if she actually does have a manager now though, in this interview mentioning Mariah's show in Jamaica one of them mentions talking to her manager...
edit: maybe she has a tour manager or something? I have no clue how any of that works lol.
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Post by Heart Shaped Box on Jan 29, 2015 15:54:24 GMT -5
I dunno, I think from Idol on, the decisions she's been making have been new for her and I appreciate her for taking risks.
As messy as her album era has been, I'm glad she's been proactive in touring and giving us these thematic stage experiences (xmas, vegas).
She's showing interest in staying relevant and she's putting effort with some of the work involved in that.
Now we just need someone competent to take control of her material and market it!!!!
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 29, 2015 17:48:23 GMT -5
We didn't get grosses for most of TEC Show, but we have the Christmas-show grosses. All reported sellouts, with an average of 2,700 per show.
Mariah Carey Beacon Theatre New York, N.Y. Dec. 15-16, 18, 20-22, 2014 $1,563,173 16,196/16,196 6/6 $245, $145, $100, $54.50 Live Nation
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 18:10:31 GMT -5
^Nice! Those Christmas concerts were definitely the best thing she's done in a while. Speaking of, I found this video that is a compilation of some of her best vocals from those shows, and she sounds literally straight out of 1996 in certain parts. (particularly Emotions and Hero towards the end) : www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCkf7tjwmt8This is what makes me so excited about Vegas. The way her voice progressed throughout the 6 Christmas shows, it made me wonder what kind of shape her voice would be in if she kept going for another month or two. She's hitting notes and doing riffs she hasn't done in over 15 years, regaining strength and fluidity in her upper register, and sounding rich and wonderful in all areas. I think we all need to realize that if Mariah Carey regains that magical voice, all bets are off for what kind of future success she can have.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 19:33:17 GMT -5
I think we all need to realize that if Mariah Carey regains that magical voice, all bets are off for what kind of future success she can have. This was a popular opinion in the early 00s (and it made sense then), but as far as her voice being her key to commercial success in 2015-- unlikely. Mariah experienced her initial career peak at a time when music consumers were into big voiced female vocalists. That's something that largely went out with the 90s, along with the big ballads. The music industry has gotten even more youth- and image-driven since Mariah's peak (both of them). Her age, being a big vocal diva, and an R&B act who peaked when R&B was the dominant genre in the music industry all together work against a shot at a comeback at this point. That said, I do think she can recover a bit as a live act and further cement her legacy if she continues taking good care of her voice. Mariah's gotten a pretty terrible reputation as a live act over the past 15 years due to all the lip-syncing and sloppy televised performance. The Christmas shows were a good sign that she's still very capable of sounding incredible live. If she can improve her reputation as a live act, I do think there are people of a certain age out there who would be much more willing to pay $100+ for a ticket to her shows if they know they'll get their money's worth.
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Jan 29, 2015 19:34:33 GMT -5
Well she's headlining a festival in Jamaica tomorrow night, so we shall see the voice then. According to the video above, it's just another stop on the Elusive Chanteuse tour. So perhaps not much different from what we've already seen.
Also, I wonder if she'll be allowed to do the xmas shows again in December or if Caesars prevents her from doing any outside concerts.
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Post by MFM29 on Jan 29, 2015 22:12:01 GMT -5
so.. she's back with LA Reid
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Jan 30, 2015 8:51:25 GMT -5
Glad she's back with LA. Hopefully he can give her some direction. Speaking of Katy... Mariah is in Jamaica all weekend, yes? She's been oddly quiet. And, Katy said she's bring an "old school" female artist as a halftime guest. She said it'll be a "throwback" moment. I remember her describing Mariah that way. There's no way Mariah could do Jamaica today and the Super Bowl on Sunday. Right? RIGHT?! (Also, Katy sort of made it sound like it could be a one-hit wonder, too. So, definitely not Mariah there)
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jan 30, 2015 9:01:38 GMT -5
Glad she's back with LA. Hopefully he can give her some direction. Speaking of Katy... Mariah is in Jamaica all weekend, yes? She's been oddly quiet. And, Katy said she's bring an "old school" female artist as a halftime guest. She said it'll be a "throwback" moment. I remember her describing Mariah that way. There's no way Mariah could do Jamaica today and the Super Bowl on Sunday. Right? RIGHT?! (Also, Katy sort of made it sound like it could be a one-hit wonder, too. So, definitely not Mariah there) Supposedly it's Missy. Mariah wouldn't have the time for a Katy Perry.
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Post by MFM29 on Jan 30, 2015 9:57:41 GMT -5
Glad she's back with LA. Hopefully he can give her some direction. Speaking of Katy... Mariah is in Jamaica all weekend, yes? She's been oddly quiet. And, Katy said she's bring an "old school" female artist as a halftime guest. She said it'll be a "throwback" moment. I remember her describing Mariah that way. There's no way Mariah could do Jamaica today and the Super Bowl on Sunday. Right? RIGHT?! (Also, Katy sort of made it sound like it could be a one-hit wonder, too. So, definitely not Mariah there) www.rap-up.com/2015/01/29/missy-elliott-to-join-katy-perry-for-super-bowl-halftime-show/
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Post by JamaicaFunk² on Jan 30, 2015 10:15:23 GMT -5
Lenny Kravitz and Missy Elliot. Wow, Katy giving America everything they're not asking for.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jan 30, 2015 10:45:19 GMT -5
I'm there for Missy though. That was a smart move.
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Post by MFM29 on Jan 30, 2015 11:11:01 GMT -5
ok lets all forget katy whoever and get back to Mariah
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 11:41:26 GMT -5
The good news about working with LA is that the last album situation wont happen again. The worst that can happen would be a GOLD album ala Memoirs or MCIIY. LA Reid is going to make sure he hears all the songs before the album comes out and unlike her work on MIAMTEC where she didn't know what current music sounds like during the making of the CD, at least LA Reid is very aware of what marketable current music sounds like at the moment.
I just hope she doesn't give up because she didn't get the money she thinks she deserves per album and just "phones it in" with each release.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 11:44:19 GMT -5
BILLBOARD: The Inside Story of How Mariah Carey and L.A. Reid Reunited (at a Fraction of Her Former $80 Million Deal) " Just months shy of the 10-year anniversary of The Emancipation of Mimi, Mariah Carey and Antonio "L.A." Reid are prepping another kind of comeback. According to multiple sources, the 45-year-old singer is returning to Sony Music through Epic Records, where Reid has served as chairman since 2011. A nearly finalized multi-album deal would see Carey's first new material through the label since 1999's Rainbow, beginning with a greatest-hits set to coincide with her upcoming residency at The Colosseum at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas. Dubbed "#1's," the concert series booked by Creative Artists Agency begins May 6 and will include all 18 of Carey's Billboard Hot 100 chart-toppers, from 1990's "Vision of Love" to 2008's "Touch My Body." (An Epic representative declined to comment.) Although Carey left Sony on tumultuous terms -- she signed a four-album, $80 million deal with EMI's Virgin Records in 2000, eager to distance herself from ex-husband and former Sony Music head Tommy Mottola -- there are plenty of reasons why rejoining makes sense now. Doug Morris, current chairman/CEO of Sony Music, brought Carey to Island Def Jam in 2003 when he was running Universal Music Group. Reid, then head of Island Def Jam, oversaw her Mimi-powered 2005 comeback. Joey Arbagey, a collaborator of Carey's during the making of the six-times platinum Mimi, is now executive vp A&R at Epic. And of course there is her massive Sony catalog: Carey's seven studio releases, a live EP and four hits packages have sold a combined 43.9 million albums, according to Nielsen Music, including the septuple-platinum Music Box and Daydream. Her output for UMG, which spanned six albums, has sold just 9.7 million by comparison. But while Carey's legacy is undisputed, her recent stumbles have not gone unnoticed. For starters, her thrice-delayed album Me...I Am Mariah…The Elusive Chanteuse through Def Jam failed to deliver a top 10 Hot 100 hit (Miguel duet "#Beautiful" peaked at No. 15 in 2013) and posted her lowest sales to date, with 117,000 sold. She went through a series of managers, too, including longtime collaborator Jermaine Dupri, producer Randy Jackson and former Def Jam executive Kevin Liles, whom she most recently retained as a consultant. According to an insider privy to terms of Carey's new contract, her recent turmoil, which includes a pending divorce from husband of six years Nick Cannon, scared away most other suitors. "Sony's was the only deal on the table, and it came in far lower than she expected." How low? Carey "was asking for a $3 million advance; she didn't get it." (Carey is represented by attorney Donald Passman, who didn't return Billboard's request for comment.) Still, even critics concede that the best place for the diva to try again is with Reid, who's not only of her generation, in that his star rose during the '90s, but has of late been on a hot streak, notching hits by Meghan Trainor (eight weeks at No. 1 on the Hot 100), Bobby Shmurda and Fifth Harmony. Carey also ended 2014 on a positive note, selling out a six-night residency at New York's Beacon Theatre for a series of Christmas concerts that grossed a combined $1.5 million in Billboard Boxscore receipts. That turnout should help build buzz for her upcoming Vegas stint, where she'll follow in the footsteps of Celine Dion, Elton John, Cher, Bette Midler and Shania Twain to become the latest draw to the 4,300-capacity theater. Says Elvis Duran, morning host for New York radio station Z100: "There wasn't tremendous support for her last album, but there is always a run for residencies with a buzz. Mariah and Vegas make tons of sense." This article first appeared in the Feb. 7 issue of Billboard. "www.billboard.com/articles/busin ... witterfeed
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 12:23:34 GMT -5
That article is so damn shady.
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Post by Mean A$$ on Jan 30, 2015 12:35:53 GMT -5
That article is so damn shady. Why are you shocked? Lately its been " Mariah can't sing, Mariah is a drunk, Mariah beats up her nannies, Mariah is a slave driver, Mariah is fat, Mariah is a bad mother, Mariah can't do anything right!" .. So tell me again , why are you shocked at the shade?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 13:28:01 GMT -5
That article is so damn shady. Why are you shocked? Lately its been " Mariah can't sing, Mariah is a drunk, Mariah beats up her nannies, Mariah is a slave driver, Mariah is fat, Mariah is a bad mother, Mariah can't do anything right!" .. So tell me again , why are you shocked at the shade? Did I say I was shocked? As soon as that cover came out, I knew what the tone of the article is about. Mariah at 45 is not as commercially viable as Mariah at 25. Billboard's trying to talk about that with an air of cluelessness like they were born yesterday.
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Post by MiniMusic on Jan 30, 2015 13:37:14 GMT -5
To the person that said Elusive Chanteuse wasn't fitting the time it was released in.... Uhm, more like it was a timeless record. I don't care what anyone says, that's one of, if not my favorite record of 2014 and top 3 Mariah albums.
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Post by spooky21 on Jan 30, 2015 14:01:56 GMT -5
That article is so damn shady. Quite surprising. Billboard used to be so neutral to musicians, and especially to Mariah. Is there new editorial leadership? As the bible of the industry, even their facts are wrong. To mention sales for Nielsen and not RIAA certifications, especially knowing Neilsen is only a point-of-sale, partial view of sales? Shady. To claim an 80M deal from 14 years ago and ignore the interim 20M three album deal with Def Jam (plus the increase after TEOM)? Even more shady. That's some really shoddy reporting there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 14:06:54 GMT -5
Billboard has a lot more junior writers writing for them now. A lot of the articles popping up on their website in the past couple years sound like blog posts written by 20 year-olds. The Perez Hilton generation is taking over journalism. ;)
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Post by Mean A$$ on Jan 30, 2015 15:13:48 GMT -5
Why are you shocked? Lately its been " Mariah can't sing, Mariah is a drunk, Mariah beats up her nannies, Mariah is a slave driver, Mariah is fat, Mariah is a bad mother, Mariah can't do anything right!" .. So tell me again , why are you shocked at the shade? Did I say I was shocked? As soon as that cover came out, I knew what the tone of the article is about. Mariah at 45 is not as commercially viable as Mariah at 25. Billboard's trying to talk about that with an air of cluelessness like they were born yesterday. No you said the article was shady and my point was that this point it seems everyone throws shade at Mariah no matter what she does. So no shock or surprise the article was shady.
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