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Post by sundaymorningguy on Feb 6, 2015 20:07:35 GMT -5
Here is my problem with Mariah. Mariah keeps doing the things that she knows she gets taken to task for like lip syncing and the diva behavior. You would think knowing how much she gets taken to task for lip syncing especially with in the past year she would do what she can to minimize the need for it. It is hard to be in someone's corner who keeps doing the very things that keep getting her blasted by the media.
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Post by vipanonymous on Feb 6, 2015 20:10:53 GMT -5
Mariah at her worst still best than most of the other pop girls. I don't care about "The Voice" status as long she can keep producing some jams in studio. I don't care. Like Mean A$$ said she's human, it's non-sense to demand her to hit the same notes of 25 years ago. 25 YEARS! The lip-synch fail was shameful, if she's gonna pretend at least do it right. But i think if she had the guts to really perform Fantasy live, it may not be as good as previous years, but it won't be a shame as some other solo acts. Mariah still has a unique voice.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Feb 6, 2015 20:11:32 GMT -5
She should consider doing an interview/live unplugged special before the show for obvious reasons. Analyzing and providing a little bit of history on each of her numbers ones. Though I'm a little nervous about what she would say about Someday, LTT, IDWC etc
I simply don't get her disdain (?) for Someday. I feel like that track has been praised by many people in the past few years, and it's the best up-tempo on her debut album. Something tells me she's going to remix the shit out of it for Vegas.
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Post by vipanonymous on Feb 6, 2015 20:13:13 GMT -5
I simply don't get her disdain (?) for Someday. I feel like that track has been praised by many people in the past few years, and it's the best up-tempo on her debut album. Something tells me she's going to remix the s**t out of it for Vegas. Yes! Someday was my first Mariah jam :'(
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 6, 2015 20:13:32 GMT -5
Here is my problem with Mariah. Mariah keeps doing the things that she knows she gets taken to task for like lip syncing and the diva behavior. You would think knowing how much she gets taken to task for lip syncing especially with in the past year she would do what she can to minimize the need for it. It is hard to be in someone's corner who keeps doing the very things that keep getting her blasted by the media. And that is why I am convinced she clearly doesn't give a f*ck. So why do you all?
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Feb 6, 2015 20:15:16 GMT -5
Hop up on Instagram and Vine and just pop out random vocal exercises and shade.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Feb 6, 2015 20:20:37 GMT -5
Here is my problem with Mariah. Mariah keeps doing the things that she knows she gets taken to task for like lip syncing and the diva behavior. You would think knowing how much she gets taken to task for lip syncing especially with in the past year she would do what she can to minimize the need for it. It is hard to be in someone's corner who keeps doing the very things that keep getting her blasted by the media. And that is why I am convinced she clearly doesn't give a f*ck. So why do you all? Most of us in this thread are fans of Mariah, I presume that is the reason why we care since we know Mariah can do better, therefore we wish that she would. Just because she doesn't care does not mean everyone else will immediately stop.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Feb 6, 2015 20:50:53 GMT -5
Here is my problem with Mariah. Mariah keeps doing the things that she knows she gets taken to task for like lip syncing and the diva behavior. You would think knowing how much she gets taken to task for lip syncing especially with in the past year she would do what she can to minimize the need for it. It is hard to be in someone's corner who keeps doing the very things that keep getting her blasted by the media. And that is why I am convinced she clearly doesn't give a f*ck. So why do you all? When you are collecting money from people, they have a right to care. She is only human, but I would rather hear her mess up in a concert or rearrange her songs in a manner that suit her current vocal climate than lip sync badly. I think that is only fair. I want to go see her in Vegas and I expect some lip syncing, but at least do it well if you are going to lip sync. I am just asking that whatever she does she at least does it well. If she needs to lip sync a bit, so be it but at least sell it and make it believable. I think all people are asking for is some noticeable effort on her part give a full ass and not a half an ass. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect her to put more effort into her show appearances, vocals and stage presence.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Feb 6, 2015 20:56:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure she will do great in Las Vegas. We all know she tends to return stronger after a backlash. And that is when the media does not care...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 23:37:52 GMT -5
If you guys haven't learned its premature to get all worked up about Mariah then you ain't pay attention. She is the human roller coaster in voice and weight and everything, up and down and all around.
But don't mistake it child, she will always rise back up. So I give her a few repeat performances before i even bother to discuss her current state.
How quickly people forget how she shut down Beacon with her voice.
She didn't care about this Jamaica performance you could see it, basically she thought she could use this to play around and try different things and she lipped the rest. She underestimated the attention this would receive, probably thought its Jamaica and nobody stateside would really care to dissect it. Nowadays with social media she just has to realize every performance even in a city like Buffalo for example will receive attention with youtube and social media.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Feb 7, 2015 2:35:12 GMT -5
Nowadays with social media she just has to realize every performance even in a city like Buffalo for example will receive attention with youtube and social media. I feel like she should already know this, or at the very least have someone on her team that knows this. :|
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Feb 7, 2015 9:22:24 GMT -5
If you guys haven't learned its premature to get all worked up about Mariah then you ain't pay attention. She is the human roller coaster in voice and weight and everything, up and down and all around. But don't mistake it child, she will always rise back up. So I give her a few repeat performances before i even bother to discuss her current state. How quickly people forget how she shut down Beacon with her voice. She didn't care about this Jamaica performance you could see it, basically she thought she could use this to play around and try different things and she lipped the rest. She underestimated the attention this would receive, probably thought its Jamaica and nobody stateside would really care to dissect it. Nowadays with social media she just has to realize every performance even in a city like Buffalo for example will receive attention with youtube and social media. In the era of smartphones and i-pads, I can't imagine she doesn't know this. If she doesn't, well then...it explains a lot on her current media onslaught.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 9:23:35 GMT -5
I doubt Mariah sits around reading Twitter and Facebook comments. That would drive anyone insane with the amount of vitriol people spew on social media.
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Post by Tea-why on Feb 7, 2015 10:39:08 GMT -5
She should consider doing an interview/live unplugged special before the show for obvious reasons. Analyzing and providing a little bit of history on each of her numbers ones. Though I'm a little nervous about what she would say about Someday, LTT, IDWC etc. She said a little blurb about the songs before each of the videos on her #1's DVD but I forget what she said about those ones. I just remember it being very vague lol
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 7, 2015 11:37:55 GMT -5
The Saturday Night Live that Patrick Swayze hosted and where Mariah performed for the first time airs tonight at 10pm EST on NBC! It's only an hour, so it will be edited, but I'd imagine they'll show her "VOL" performance. Great promo for that song and also a great reminder of her voice.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Feb 7, 2015 11:42:09 GMT -5
Solid vocals β€ I think it is the best performance of "Vision Of Influence".
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 7, 2015 12:11:15 GMT -5
She has to figure out what to do with "Someday"- gurl, get over your incomprehensible disdain for the track and give us what we've wanted for 22 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 17:59:44 GMT -5
Well she is a unapologetic bitch she doesn't care what you think or like:-)
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Post by MFM29 on Feb 7, 2015 18:19:44 GMT -5
it's so weird these disdains with some of her catalog songs when she's the one who wrote them. I understand some singers that wants to forget their past songs because many of them just sing the song the label want them to record and later in life they have control in their career, but someone like Mariah who always had a hand in all of her songs it's just odd
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 18:26:24 GMT -5
She wrote some of these songs 25+ years ago. Tastes change, even in regards to things you've done/used to like. Plus, with her early material, I think she's not a fan of the way Tommy had them produced.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 19:11:47 GMT -5
it's so weird these disdains with some of her catalog songs when she's the one who wrote them. I understand some singers that wants to forget their past songs because many of them just sing the song the label want them to record and later in life they have control in their career, but someone like Mariah who always had a hand in all of her songs it's just odd Like Jazzy said above it had to do with the producers having too much influence over the songs (same reason why she wasn't a fan of Say Something and never worked with the Pharrell since) she likes to be involved in not only the writing but the production as well. I also think instead of the R&B of that time she was going for with these songs she dislikes from the that first album it was geared more mainstream for her liking aka pop. You could see the shift on her second album It makes sense to me, I wouldn't want my vision when i am the singer and songwriter not to have my 100% seal of approval and any tweaks done to my vision would annoy me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 19:22:44 GMT -5
I know she's been critical of the album arrangements of "Vision Of Love," "I Don't Wanna Cry," "Hero," and "Forever," and she wrote every last one of them. They're too polished, 90s adult contemporary for her, but I don't blame Tommy for having them arranged that way; it's what was popular back then and most likely increased their hit potential. That said, I don't see why Mariah can't rearrange some of her earlier songs to her own liking for Vegas. I think at some point she made some kind of comment about people wanting to hear the hits the way they remember them, but I don't think people will storm out or be disappointed if she ditches the 80s adult contemporary polish on "I Don't Wanna Cry" and gives it a more organic R&B or jazzy vibe (for example).
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Post by MFM29 on Feb 7, 2015 20:44:38 GMT -5
I don't wanna cry' I don't understand her dislike for the song bc it was a song she was pushed to do because it was with the same writer from Whitney's hits. but "Someday" was one of the demos she's done before she got the record deal, so I really don't understand. if she's not fond of the production then it shouldn't be a problem to perform it live bc she can change it to the way she wants to. she never was a fan of "Hero" but she'll always perform it bc of the fans love it so much
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Feb 7, 2015 21:30:40 GMT -5
Is Someday even really that pop? I hear that song on my local Urban AC station and R&B Stations on XM and I've always considered that to be a pop leaning R&B uptempo song.. That's some New Jackie Swing from that era. I kind of have my suspicions as to why Mariah doesn't like certain songs from her black catalog but Someday was a song that was popular with everyone.
IDWC is the original My All in my opinion : P and she loves My All so I don't know what's up there.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 7, 2015 21:34:19 GMT -5
it's so weird these disdains with some of her catalog songs when she's the one who wrote them. I understand some singers that wants to forget their past songs because many of them just sing the song the label want them to record and later in life they have control in their career, but someone like Mariah who always had a hand in all of her songs it's just odd Like Jazzy said above it had to do with the producers having too much influence over the songs (same reason why she wasn't a fan of Say Something and never worked with the Pharrell since) she likes to be involved in not only the writing but the production as well. I also think instead of the R&B of that time she was going for with these songs she dislikes from the that first album it was geared more mainstream for her liking aka pop. You could see the shift on her second album It makes sense to me, I wouldn't want my vision when i am the singer and songwriter not to have my 100% seal of approval and any tweaks done to my vision would annoy me. I get not liking the final product, but she doesn't have to perform these songs as recorded. She could easily re-arrange them and change the production around. I don't see where not liking how they were produced the first time is a real excuse for not performing them. "Someday" is actually a really good song, and as a result it could be performed in a lot of ways. It even has a pseudo-rap breakdown in the bridge (and New Jack swing elements as mentioned), which you'd think she'd like.
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Post by MFM29 on Feb 7, 2015 21:45:05 GMT -5
Like Jazzy said above it had to do with the producers having too much influence over the songs (same reason why she wasn't a fan of Say Something and never worked with the Pharrell since) she likes to be involved in not only the writing but the production as well. I also think instead of the R&B of that time she was going for with these songs she dislikes from the that first album it was geared more mainstream for her liking aka pop. You could see the shift on her second album It makes sense to me, I wouldn't want my vision when i am the singer and songwriter not to have my 100% seal of approval and any tweaks done to my vision would annoy me. I get not liking the final product, but she doesn't have to perform these songs as recorded. She could easily re-arrange them and change the production around. I don't see where not liking how they were produced the first time is a real excuse for not performing them. "Someday" is actually a really good song, and as a result it could be performed in a lot of ways. It even has a pseudo-rap breakdown in the bridge (and New Jack swing elements as mentioned), which you'd think she'd like. that's my point. so I don't think the issue Mariah have with the song is about the production
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 7, 2015 23:49:21 GMT -5
Frankly, I could see Mariah not wanting her co-writers to get profits (or just exposure in general). There are some songs she has to perform in general (like "Hero" and "AIWFCIY" and "WBT"), but she can get away with not performing "Someday" and "IDWC." I think a lot of Mariah's likes/dislikes and her actions/in-actions have to do with personal relationships. Mariah can hold a grudge like no other.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Feb 8, 2015 2:41:16 GMT -5
Blah blah blah Mariah doesn't like her old songs blah blah blah. She will perform them some way, in some shape or form, in Vegas. My guess is a medley. I don't need to hear those songs for more than 1 minute each anyway.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Feb 8, 2015 3:21:41 GMT -5
Blah blah blah Mariah doesn't like her old songs blah blah blah. She will perform them some way, in some shape or form, in Vegas. My guess is a medley. I don't need to hear those songs for more than 1 minute each anyway. I'll wait til first show to buy a ticket. I am not going to purchase a ticket to get full versions of hero and we belong together just to get a 30 second clip of someday, IDWC and love takes time. For me, having seen Mariah now three times, hearing Someday, IDWC and Love Takes Time live in full would be the main pull for me to buy a ticket. It's been too waaaaay too long for her to pull that mess.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 8, 2015 9:35:53 GMT -5
Blah blah blah Mariah doesn't like her old songs blah blah blah. She will perform them some way, in some shape or form, in Vegas. My guess is a medley. I don't need to hear those songs for more than 1 minute each anyway. That's you, of course. I would loooove to hear "Love Takes Time," "Dreamlover," "Honey," "TGIFY," and, yes, "Someday" in full. It has been awhile since we've gotten most of those, and they aer all strong songs. Meanwhile, the SNL repeat of Mariah doing "VOL" was fantastic. The performance was so effortless it would be easy to take for granted. Also, I didn't know this happened:
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