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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 8, 2015 23:28:39 GMT -5
So, I have been preparing a big article/blog for the 25th anniversary of "Vision of Love." Here is one section from it to build a little hype. I would appreciate any sort of feedback (corrections, additions, whatever).
You can't see them there, but I have footnotes for every quote/stat/whatever that gives the source. It's all about 5 pages in Word.
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Post by Mazo on Feb 8, 2015 23:29:58 GMT -5
Beyonce is the most nominated female artist in HISTORY. Let that sink in...HISTORY. You know it's a farce. I don't even watch the grammys because it has become the Beyonce show. I cannot stand it. I, too, would rather have receipts from the fans instead of a trophy given by a committee of clueless bastards.
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Post by Positive Tension on Feb 8, 2015 23:35:03 GMT -5
Yeah, while artists like Beyonce, Alicia, and Kanye are talented, to think they have easily racked up so many more awards than the likes of Mariah, Whitney, Madonna, etc. is mind-boggling.
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Post by cjay on Feb 8, 2015 23:36:44 GMT -5
Beyonce is the most nominated female artist in HISTORY. Let that sink in...HISTORY. You know it's a farce. I don't even watch the grammys because it has become the Beyonce show. I cannot stand it. I, too, would rather have receipts from the fans instead of a trophy given by a committee of clueless bastards. Well it's not the Beyonce show tonight! ;) she even lost Best Contemporary R&B album.
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Post by Oprah on Feb 9, 2015 16:23:06 GMT -5
Beyonce is the most nominated female artist in HISTORY. Let that sink in...HISTORY. You know it's a farce. I don't even watch the grammys because it has become the Beyonce show. I cannot stand it. I, too, would rather have receipts from the fans instead of a trophy given by a committee of clueless bastards. Someone you don't like has won a bunch of awards while someone you do like hasn't, ergo the whole thing must be a sham. Unassailable logic.
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Post by Mazo on Feb 9, 2015 16:37:25 GMT -5
Beyonce is the most nominated female artist in HISTORY. Let that sink in...HISTORY. You know it's a farce. I don't even watch the grammys because it has become the Beyonce show. I cannot stand it. I, too, would rather have receipts from the fans instead of a trophy given by a committee of clueless bastards. Someone you don't like has won a bunch of awards while someone you do like hasn't, ergo the whole thing must be a sham. Unassailable logic. What are you even talking about? It's a sham because her material is weak. But because she has no real competitors, it's easy for her and the others to rack up 20-30 awards. That's the real shame. Anyway, she is not the only one I'm screaming farce about. But the Grammys played her for her highly praised, overrated CD like they should have. At least when Mariah was getting them, she had competition and it was well deserved not just a trophy to get viewers or gotten based on the popularity of her name.
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Post by Mazo on Feb 9, 2015 16:38:13 GMT -5
Beyonce is the most nominated female artist in HISTORY. Let that sink in...HISTORY. You know it's a farce. I don't even watch the grammys because it has become the Beyonce show. I cannot stand it. I, too, would rather have receipts from the fans instead of a trophy given by a committee of clueless bastards. Well it's not the Beyonce show tonight! ;) she even lost Best Contemporary R&B album. lol
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Post by Oprah on Feb 9, 2015 16:53:23 GMT -5
Someone you don't like has won a bunch of awards while someone you do like hasn't, ergo the whole thing must be a sham. Unassailable logic. What are you even talking about? It's a sham because her material is weak. But because she has no real competitors, it's easy for her and the others to rack up 20-30 awards. That's the real shame. Anyway, she is not the only one I'm screaming farce about. But the Grammys played her for her highly praised, overrated CD like they should have. At least when Mariah was getting them, she had competition and it was well deserved not just a trophy to get viewers or gotten based on the popularity of her name. The point is that your opinion on what is and isn't quality music does not dictate what actually is quality, what public consensus is on the last year in music, or how awards are given. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to question the Grammys, but your opinion on Beyonce or Rihanna or whoever is not one of them.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 9, 2015 18:24:08 GMT -5
I don't see it happening for various reasons, but it would be cool if Mariah presented Best New Artist at the Grammys next year. It would be the 25th anniversary of her winning the same award. Mariah and The Beatles are easily the two biggest acts to have won that award. Imagine if she and Paul McCartney presented it together :o
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 19:54:49 GMT -5
The Grammys have undeniably shifted in a more commercial direction over the past couple of decades. Back when Mariah was at her 90s peak, she was competing with acts who weren't necessarily major radio acts but were critical darlings. As Grammy ratings started plummeting, they started leaning in a more commercial direction (especially with the major awards). That's definitely benefited acts like Beyoncรฉ. I mean, "Drunk In Love" the best-written R&B song of 2014?
That said, I also don't think people are too quick to award Mariah with Grammys. She's attended the show like 4 times in 25 years, doesn't do much in the way of industry networking, and I'm sure Tommy Mottola was a major headache for NARAS in the 90s when it came to Mariah. There's that story about how Mariah and Tommy got into a massive fight the night of the Grammys in 1996. He was probably pulling strings and telling her he had a bunch of awards in the bag for her, and she walked away with 0.
The Grammys are a political game, and Mariah herself has never seemed to play it.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 9, 2015 20:48:17 GMT -5
The Grammys have undeniably shifted in a more commercial direction over the past couple of decades. Back when Mariah was at her 90s peak, she was competing with acts who weren't necessarily major radio acts but were critical darlings. As Grammy ratings started plummeting, they started leaning in a more commercial direction (especially with the major awards). That's definitely benefited acts like Beyoncรฉ. I mean, "Drunk In Love" the best-written R&B song of 2014? That said, I also don't think people are too quick to award Mariah with Grammys. She's attended the show like 4 times in 25 years, doesn't do much in the way of industry networking, and I'm sure Tommy Mottola was a major headache for NARAS in the 90s when it came to Mariah. There's that story about how Mariah and Tommy got into a massive fight the night of the Grammys in 1996. He was probably pulling strings and telling her he had a bunch of awards in the bag for her, and she walked away with 0. The Grammys are a political game, and Mariah herself has never seemed to play it.That's all it right there. Not only does she not attend awards shows and mingle and stuff, but she doesn't even really cater to new singers like Ariana Grande and what not. I am NOT saying she should or needs to or any of that, but that lack of networking and playing the game definitely works against her when it comes to things like the Grammys (and even her legacy in general). Honestly, I don't see why she can't just sit in the audience for the duration of an event, or present even when she isn't nominated. Look at Prince presenting last night. Did he sit in the audience? Anyway, I still think my idea of Mariah presenting New Artist with Paul next year is fantastic. I know Mariah won't like the "25th anniversary" angle, but I am sure they could get a cheeky intro like, "She won Best New Artist before she was even born and has gone on to sell..."
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Post by Positive Tension on Feb 9, 2015 23:28:58 GMT -5
Yeah, presenting an award at the Grammys would be a good idea. Of course, a great performance at the Grammys would certainly help Mariah's image, but it'd probably be too much pressure.
Even if the above won't help her get another Grammy nomination, it could build goodwill, which she needs far more than another Grammy nomination.
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 9, 2015 23:40:47 GMT -5
Look at how Hunter Hayes hosted the pre-telecast awards yesterday (and often gets nominated), how Usher and Carrie Underwood seem to do tribute performances at the Grammys a lot (and each win a fair amount), how Prince and others present awards, etc. These are the kinds of things that build goodwill for sure. It might be a little different if Mariah was a recluse and had a sort of prestige in not being seen, but that isn't the case. But whatever, at the end of the day it's her life and career. I just wonder if she realizes how much she hurts herself considering she does seem to get annoyed at not being seen as a writer and things of that nature.
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Post by colson on Feb 9, 2015 23:44:09 GMT -5
^It's possible that she hasn't thought of it that way.
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Post by Eqbk on Feb 10, 2015 0:04:48 GMT -5
Could Mariah's Grammy track record be better? Sure, but it's not like she's the equivalent of Susan Lucci. At the end of the day, Mariah has multiple Grammy wins and b/c of that they can slap on "Multi-Grammy award winner" every time she's introduced or talked about, which is the main point of having a Grammy anyway. Grammy wins are just a nice little resume boost.
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Post by The Upper Hand on Feb 10, 2015 0:47:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 2:37:52 GMT -5
In touch and Us are reporting that Nick flipped out when a DJ played a Mariah track and he literally cringed and asked her not to be played.
Well Nick that is what you get when you married the most successful woman of the last 25 years someone when you divorce who is bound to be played over and over. Wait until next Christmas what u gonna do then go in hiding? How about u grow up kid.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Feb 10, 2015 3:31:06 GMT -5
WOW. She kind of lost her got damn mind 3/4 of the way in and I loved every second of it. That would have been fun to be first row of that show. LOL @ her messing up her own lyrics twice "i had a vision to love" ..."honey you can have me when you want to"
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Post by Caution on Feb 10, 2015 4:36:59 GMT -5
She did her thing :o
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 10, 2015 7:50:04 GMT -5
The "Vision of Love" performance became a rambling mess ( ), but the vocals though :o
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 10, 2015 7:56:47 GMT -5
It'd be great if Mariah got the Icon Award at the Billboard Awards this year. It may be in conflict with her Vegas schedule though.
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Post by JamaicaFunkยฒ on Feb 10, 2015 10:37:22 GMT -5
That was pretty bad. I've never heard her lip all the choruses to My All before.
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 10, 2015 11:10:18 GMT -5
It'd be great if Mariah got the Icon Award at the Billboard Awards this year. It may be in conflict with her Vegas schedule though. Talk about a farce though....the BB awards are such a joke.
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Post by kmbgs on Feb 10, 2015 11:12:47 GMT -5
It'd be great if Mariah got the Icon Award at the Billboard Awards this year. It may be in conflict with her Vegas schedule though. Talk about a farce though....the BB awards are such a joke.
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Post by Resident_Evil on Feb 10, 2015 13:08:55 GMT -5
I love Mariah. She just tweeted in support for TLC's kickstart funding.
Please lambs go and donate to my girls.
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Feb 10, 2015 17:50:50 GMT -5
What is she wearing? Oh well...at least she sounds good.
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Post by Caution on Feb 10, 2015 18:20:45 GMT -5
WOW
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Post by sundaymorningguy on Feb 10, 2015 18:49:37 GMT -5
If she doesn't stop throwing the mic out to the audience, I don't want to hear the audience's off key and screechy voices. But, her voice is on point and Vegas ready.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 10, 2015 18:53:23 GMT -5
She turned "I'll Be There" into a Gospel testimony. :'(
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Post by The Upper Hand on Feb 10, 2015 19:02:46 GMT -5
ME. I AM DEAD. Love the free style, though. It just proves her vocal capability is still there, she just needs to prepare it properly before the shows.
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