Mariah Carey: "IT'S TIME" 👑

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Apr 20, 2015 18:05:54 GMT -5 @jazzysoul47 said:

Apr 20, 2015 17:47:52 GMT -5 ephelia said:

all someone would have to say is: "it's closest to this song (insert Mariah song, or another song all together)"

Remember when "Cruise Control" was the "next Fantasy"? Or when "Angels Cry" was back to her "Vision of Love roots"? Or when "Bye Bye" was an even more obvious smash than "One Sweet Day"?

I never trust the early reviews.

Tell em how it is chile

[rafaelsalguero]

Tracks That Hit #1 on CHR but not the Hot 100:

Can't Let Go (#2 Hot 100)
Make It Happen (#5 Hot 100)
Shake It Off (#2 Hot 100)


wow I cant believe that 3 song dont reachs #1 on Hot 100, bad luck, MAriah will have now 21 #1's

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Apr 20, 2015 22:04:58 GMT -5 rafaelsalguero said:

Tracks That Hit #1 on CHR but not the Hot 100:

Can't Let Go (#2 Hot 100)
Make It Happen (#5 Hot 100)
Shake It Off (#2 Hot 100)


wow I cant believe that 3 song dont reachs #1 on Hot 100, bad luck, MAriah will have now 21 #1's

What could've been...

[Heart Shaped Box]

It's a shame about Can't Let Go.... One of her truly best ballads.

[leoapp]

Can't Let Go could be a #1 but they limited the stock of the physical single to maximize Emotions album sales which at that time didn't do well.

anyway, Mariah just tweeted that she rehearshed I Don't Wanna Cry! Her #1 she hated the most :)

[colson]

^I figured something fishy was going on with the singles and how little they sold back then considering the airplay advantage.

[spooky21]

Sony did that with quite a lot of Mariah singles. Heartbreaker and OSD come to mind as well.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Apr 21, 2015 3:59:10 GMT -5 leoapp said:

anyway, Mariah just tweeted that she rehearshed I Don't Wanna Cry! Her #1 she hated the most :)

I saw that. So excited! Yesterday she also retweeted a fan's tweet about Love Takes Time as well. I hope Mariah being back at Sony and being that it is her 25th anniversary in the industry open her eyes up to the potential she is capable of giving. This show, if done right, could be magical.




EDIT: Mariah will be on Live w/ Kelly and Michael next month in California at Disneyland(they're airing their show from there from May 18-22)
#1toInfinity

[colson]

Apr 21, 2015 7:34:52 GMT -5 spooky21 said:

Sony did that with quite a lot of Mariah singles. Heartbreaker and OSD come to mind as well.

Even though it sold well, I think they also stopped shipping singles for Fantasy to make way for OSD before the holiday season. That whole era seemed rushed and in a hurry. It went so fast.

[vipanonymous]

[FAKE] But



the thirst is real...

[carrieidol1]

Why would you even post that!? I literally got so excited!!!!!

[crystalphnx]

Apr 21, 2015 8:59:57 GMT -5 colson said:

Apr 21, 2015 7:34:52 GMT -5 spooky21 said:

Sony did that with quite a lot of Mariah singles. Heartbreaker and OSD come to mind as well.

Even though it sold well, I think they also stopped shipping singles for Fantasy to make way for OSD before the holiday season. That whole era seemed rushed and in a hurry. It went so fast.

Yeah, it's briefly mentioned in this column from the November 25, 1995 issue of Billboard (though he doesn't say exactly when "Fantasy" was deleted):

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I love reading old chart news like that. Seems like today everything is way less exciting and the music also sucks

I sound old

[colson]

Yeah I knew that Fantasy single was deleted. Actually, if it wasn't for Whitney's 'Exhale' single and Mariah's own OSD single, Fantasy could have stayed at #1 for 10 weeks. I think once Sony was ready to promote OSD, they wanted Fantasy to just go away.lol

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Wow at a 48.4% drop being a 'typical second-week slide.' Oh, '90s, how I do miss you so...

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

What "FOX special" is that that the article mentions towards the end? Does anyone know?

[Jay D83]

Apr 21, 2015 13:35:14 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

What "FOX special" is that that the article mentions towards the end? Does anyone know?

Live at MSG.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Apr 21, 2015 13:36:29 GMT -5 Jay D83 said:

Apr 21, 2015 13:35:14 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

What "FOX special" is that that the article mentions towards the end? Does anyone know?

Live at MSG.

Oh ok, thanks!

[divasummer]

Apr 20, 2015 16:55:43 GMT -5 ephelia said:

They were just greedy at Sony in the '90s. She made them a crap load of money and yet they couldn't fully support her Butterfly/Rainbow eras. It's pretty stupid if you ask me.

I just hope 'Infinity' isn't purely R&B as a "sticking it to past Sony employees moment" . Because times have changed Mariah, times have changed...

Umm, Mariah may have been at odds with Sony but I would say "Butterfly" and Rainbow" were highly promoted/supported.
I remember when "Butterfly" and "Rainbow" came out they were SO hyped up.
Just because they underperformed for her standards doesn't mean they weren't promoted well.
The Butterfly project had 8 videos. That's a lot. How many Remixes and different versions of songs were commissioned for this project.
About "Breakdown" not being sent to Top 40, I don't blame them really. I doubt it would have done all that well there.
Mariah's more pop oriented songs weren't even doing as well as they probably hoped there.

The "Rainbow" project seemed pretty supported as well.
Didn't she have 6 videos and millions of remixes for this project? Plus Tv specials etc etc.
Maybe they didn't promote "Can't Take That Away" all that much but that was kind of thrown out there because the fans and Mariah wanted and begged for it to be a single.

Maybe there was some tension between Mariah and the label but it looks to me she was HIGHLY promoted and was a very big priority to them.

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Apr 21, 2015 14:17:10 GMT -5 divasummer said:

Apr 20, 2015 16:55:43 GMT -5 ephelia said:

They were just greedy at Sony in the '90s. She made them a crap load of money and yet they couldn't fully support her Butterfly/Rainbow eras. It's pretty stupid if you ask me.

I just hope 'Infinity' isn't purely R&B as a "sticking it to past Sony employees moment" . Because times have changed Mariah, times have changed...

Umm, Mariah may have been at odds with Sony but I would say "Butterfly" and Rainbow" were highly promoted/supported.
I remember when "Butterfly" and "Rainbow" came out they were SO hyped up.
Just because they underperformed for her standards doesn't mean they weren't promoted well.
The Butterfly project had 8 videos. That's a lot. How many Remixes and different versions of songs were commissioned for this project.
About "Breakdown" not being sent to Top 40, I don't blame them really. I doubt it would have done all that well there.
Mariah's more pop oriented songs weren't even doing as well as they probably hoped there.

The "Rainbow" project seemed pretty supported as well.
Didn't she have 6 videos and millions of remixes for this project? Plus Tv specials etc etc.
Maybe they didn't promote "Can't Take That Away" all that much but that was kind of thrown out there because the fans and Mariah wanted and begged for it to be a single.

Maybe there was some tension between Mariah and the label but it looks to me she was HIGHLY promoted and was a very big priority to them.

Who paid for the videos is the question here. Maybe Columbia did (in which case that was more than fair of them), or maybe Mariah came out of pocket to pay for them herself...or maybe it was already in her contract that video expenses were partially or wholly on her anyway. If Mariah paid for them that isn't really indicative of how much support Columbia actually gave her. The remixes were probably treated as part of the overall recording expenses, and she always had a healthy budget for that, so I don't think that was a big deal. Management is usually who books tv specials, appearances, etc., but I don't know who her management was back then, so I don't know if she continued to rely on Columbia to take care of things after the divorce or if that is when she sought out a new team of people.

I do think after the divorce is when the 'diva' rumors started, or if already there really started picking up steam, and I wonder if that could have been Tommy being shady behind the scenes or if it was simply that she no longer had his 'protection' from such scrutiny. But overall I think Butterfly and Rainbow performed as well as they could have, given all the personal conflicts and bad feelings everyone had to deal with while trying to handle business at the same time. It was actually when Mariah left Columbia that Tommy started really playing dirty.

[Relaxing Cup]

[Heart Shaped Box]

So this picture is floating around:
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txnueces/selena/selena.jpg

Isn't this from the TEOM era?

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Apr 21, 2015 15:57:18 GMT -5 Heart Shaped Box said:

So this picture is floating around:
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txnueces/selena/selena.jpg

Isn't this from the TEOM era?

I don't think I ever seen a Selena photoshoot like that, ever. That photo is altered for sure. And think it is Mariah.

[Linnethia Monique]

Apr 21, 2015 16:08:40 GMT -5 Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... said:

Apr 21, 2015 15:57:18 GMT -5 Heart Shaped Box said:

So this picture is floating around:
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txnueces/selena/selena.jpg

Isn't this from the TEOM era?

I don't think I ever seen a Selena photoshoot like that, ever. That photo is altered for sure. And think it is Mariah.

The butterfly ring is a dead giveaway. She wore that thing EVERYWHERE.

[bunifah]

They TRIED IT





If it doesnt work click here for THE ACTUAL photo

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[jenglisbe]

Apr 21, 2015 14:17:10 GMT -5 divasummer said:

Apr 20, 2015 16:55:43 GMT -5 ephelia said:

They were just greedy at Sony in the '90s. She made them a crap load of money and yet they couldn't fully support her Butterfly/Rainbow eras. It's pretty stupid if you ask me.

I just hope 'Infinity' isn't purely R&B as a "sticking it to past Sony employees moment" . Because times have changed Mariah, times have changed...

Umm, Mariah may have been at odds with Sony but I would say "Butterfly" and Rainbow" were highly promoted/supported.
I remember when "Butterfly" and "Rainbow" came out they were SO hyped up.
Just because they underperformed for her standards doesn't mean they weren't promoted well.
The Butterfly project had 8 videos. That's a lot. How many Remixes and different versions of songs were commissioned for this project.
About "Breakdown" not being sent to Top 40, I don't blame them really. I doubt it would have done all that well there.
Mariah's more pop oriented songs weren't even doing as well as they probably hoped there.

The "Rainbow" project seemed pretty supported as well.
Didn't she have 6 videos and millions of remixes for this project? Plus Tv specials etc etc.
Maybe they didn't promote "Can't Take That Away" all that much but that was kind of thrown out there because the fans and Mariah wanted and begged for it to be a single.

Maybe there was some tension between Mariah and the label but it looks to me she was HIGHLY promoted and was a very big priority to them.

Thank you! Mariah had a slew of promotion for Butterfly. She was on Oprah's show (which she hadn't been on since 1992), did Rosie O'Donnell's show a couple of times (performed "My All" once and "Close My Eyes" once), performed on Saturday Night Live, etc. I remember her on the World Music Awards (the famous "Honey" performance). She had that special interview with Tabitha Soren for MTV (didn't Puffy make an appearance?). I definitely remember there being a lot of hoopla for the "Honey" video premiere; wasn't it shown at the top of the hour every hour or something? She did Divas Live that era. As you said, she had a bunch of videos and remixes. "Honey," "Butterfly," and "My All" were definitely promoted a lot, and then "Breakdown," "The Roof," and "Whenever You Call" were promoted in various forms. She was on the cover of Rolling Stone for the first time. What exactly do people here think was missing in terms of her promotion that era?

[sundaymorningguy]

I don't think people are saying that era went unpromoted. I think what people are saying is Mariah had a right to feel unsupported in terms of her direction that she was going for with Butterfly. I think she has every right to feel jilted that she only got two official singles from that era. Do I believe she was expecting that era to be as successful or any of the songs from that album to all go to number 1? No, but as I said before her record label helping to transition her and supporting her urban leaning material could have made her life much easier in terms of radio support now at urban radio. It reared its ugly head again on Rainbow the label and her head butting. I don't think anyone expected those albums to do nearly as well as their predecessors. However, Mariah gave her due diligence with the Music Box to Merry Christmas and Daydream trifecta. I think a bit of give was due on her label's part. I think had they worked with Mariah a bit more and found a fair compromise during those eras it would have helped immensely from the public scrutiny over image and the increased urban sound in her music. As such, I think Butterfly and Rainbow undersold a bit. Do I think they would have sold nearly as much as predecessors? No. But given a stronger radio presence and label support for her ( I don't call just throwing videos out there support), I think Butterfly could have netted 6-7 million in U.S. sales. I think choosing the right singles for Rainbow would have helped in the U.S. like her duet with Usher. I think she could have done 5 million.

[jenglisbe]

Apr 21, 2015 3:59:10 GMT -5 leoapp said:

Can't Let Go could be a #1 but they limited the stock of the physical single to maximize Emotions album sales which at that time didn't do well.

anyway, Mariah just tweeted that she rehearshed I Don't Wanna Cry! Her #1 she hated the most :)

Apr 21, 2015 7:31:12 GMT -5 colson said:

^I figured something fishy was going on with the singles and how little they sold back then considering the airplay advantage.

Apr 21, 2015 7:34:52 GMT -5 spooky21 said:

Sony did that with quite a lot of Mariah singles. Heartbreaker and OSD come to mind as well.

Apr 21, 2015 11:41:59 GMT -5 crystalphnx said:

Yeah, it's briefly mentioned in this column from the November 25, 1995 issue of Billboard (though he doesn't say exactly when "Fantasy" was deleted):

I'm glad people here are talking about this stuff, because for as much as some of her haters talk about discounted singles (the most discounted of which didn't even get to #1), they never talk about all of her limited/deleted singles. Mariah would have a lot more weeks at #1, and maybe even a 19th #1, if not for that habit. The ones I know of:

"Can't Let Go" - limited single
"I'll Be There" - limited single
"Fantasy" - deleted single
"One Sweet Day" - deleted single
"Heartbreaker" - limited single
"Thank God I Found You" - limited single

Some of them would have definitely gotten more weeks at #1 ("Heartbreaker" for sure and possibly "I'll Be There" and others), and "Can't Let Go" might have gotten to #1, but more than that all of those songs would have had longer Hot 100 runs. In terms of all-time Hot 100 stuff, a track like "OSD" suffers because of its somewhat short chart run when compared to, say "Macarena." A lot of that is due to the single being deleted.

crystalphnx98 do you happen to have the Billboard column from the week "Smooth" replaced "Heartbreaker" at #1? I remember the writer saying the race for #1 was really close that week. Obviously had more copies of "Heartbreaker" been available, its sales would have been higher and thus it probably would have been #1 for at least 1 extra week.

[cjay]

I've remained surprised by the fact that Sony never gave the Butterfly single a commercial release. They wanted Mariah to make pop ballads and that was it right there. It was such a beautiful song. I'm sure it would have hit #1. Didn't it make #16 AirPlay? I remember her SNL performance of that song. That's the moment I became a Mariah Carey fan. I never cared for her before Butterfly. I went to the record store on a Sunday looking for the single. Couldn't find it and decided to by the album. Then I became OBSESSED with Breakdown. She went from being nowhere on my list of favorite artist straight to #2 behind Janet and Toni (tie for #1). Ha!

[jenglisbe]

Apr 21, 2015 19:01:12 GMT -5 sundaymorningguy said:

I think she has every right to feel jilted that she only got two official singles from that era.

I don't get this statement. "Butterfly" was a single in every way except that it didn't get a commercial release. Does that mean you don't consider "Don't Speak" or "Iris" singles? "Butterfly" was a single, and it likely didn't get a commercial release because 1) It wasn't going to #1 because of "Candle In the Wind" and 2) It would help album sales if people had to buy the album to get the song. Considering it was sent to radio, had a video, and she performed it on Oprah, Saturday Night Live, and Letterman I don't know how anyone can say it wasn't an official single.

Do I believe she was expecting that era to be as successful or any of the songs from that album to all go to number 1? No, but as I said before her record label helping to transition her and supporting her urban leaning material could have made her life much easier in terms of radio support now at urban radio. It reared its ugly head again on Rainbow the label and her head butting. I don't think anyone expected those albums to do nearly as well as their predecessors. However, Mariah gave her due diligence with the Music Box to Merry Christmas and Daydream trifecta. I think a bit of give was due on her label's part. I think had they worked with Mariah a bit more and found a fair compromise during those eras it would have helped immensely from the public scrutiny over image and the increased urban sound in her music. As such, I think Butterfly and Rainbow undersold a bit. Do I think they would have sold nearly as much as predecessors? No. But given a stronger radio presence and label support for her ( I don't call just throwing videos out there support), I think Butterfly could have netted 6-7 million in U.S. sales. I think choosing the right singles for Rainbow would have helped in the U.S. like her duet with Usher. I think she could have done 5 million.

Let's also keep in mind that Mariah has had similar drama with her post-Sony labels. In general Mariah seems happy when she's selling well and unhappy when she isn't, and she tends to focus blame on the label, manager, whomever. Look at "I Want To Know What Love Is." Anyway Mariah campaigned on Rosie's show to get the non-urban "My All" as a single, and she pushed to have "CTTA" released. How was it Sony that was keeping her from being seen as urban if Mariah was pushing for pop ballads as singles?

Apr 21, 2015 19:30:52 GMT -5 cjay said:

I've remained surprised by the fact that Sony never gave the Butterfly single a commercial release. They wanted Mariah to make pop ballads and that was it right there. It was such a beautiful song. I'm sure it would have hit #1.

As has been stated several times, Elton John's "Candle in the Wind" for Princess Diana was #1 at that time with record sales. "Butterfly" was not getting to #1 at that time, especially in light of its relatively poor airplay.