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Post by music89 on Nov 6, 2016 8:29:15 GMT -5
But I still think these numbers are too low for her. Did Solange have any hype? I knew nothing about Solange's album until I read it was expected to debut at #1. Solange predictions were around 30-40k and then she ended up selling around 70k, mostly because of word of mouth... if Alicia can't do 70k or more Solange will have the highest first week for an RnB artist this year. LOL what a mess. RnB is commercially dead
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Post by Dammn Baby on Nov 6, 2016 8:48:30 GMT -5
But I still think these numbers are too low for her. Did Solange have any hype? I knew nothing about Solange's album until I read it was expected to debut at #1. Solange predictions were around 30-40k and then she ended up selling around 70k, mostly because of word of mouth... if Alicia can't do 70k or more Solange will have the highest first week for an RnB artist this year. LOL what a mess. RnB is commercially dead Drake and Beyonce say hi.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Nov 6, 2016 10:38:23 GMT -5
I don't think Drake and Beyonce are the best examples though. Alicia and Maxwell are very much in the traditional R&B lane. The R&B we see being more commercially viable these days leans contemporary and alternative. There is a definite issue with traditional R&B artists under-performing commercially, not to mention, outside of UAC, they have no viable radio outlet. And when traditional R&B artists attempt to go more contemporary, they experience a struggle. It's a tricky balance to appease your existing audience and new audiences as Usher and Alicia have displayed with their current eras. The fact that their record label has no idea what to do also doesn't help matters.
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Post by Troublemaker on Nov 6, 2016 11:24:55 GMT -5
Let's pray the numbers go up before the end of the week, there's hope (kinda). Now if only she was on a label that wasn't RCA or could it be that people checked out when she hooked up with swizz OR was it when she stopped working with Kerry Brothers??? Hmmmm time will tell...
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Post by music89 on Nov 6, 2016 12:57:59 GMT -5
Solange predictions were around 30-40k and then she ended up selling around 70k, mostly because of word of mouth... if Alicia can't do 70k or more Solange will have the highest first week for an RnB artist this year. LOL what a mess. RnB is commercially dead Drake and Beyonce say hi. Drake album is RNB?! (I didn't listen to it because his "singing" voice is annoying to me and he's overrated). Beyoncé is more Pop...Pop/Urban...
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Post by music89 on Nov 6, 2016 13:13:56 GMT -5
I don't think Drake and Beyonce are the best examples though. Alicia and Maxwell are very much in the traditional R&B lane. The R&B we see being more commercially viable these days leans contemporary and alternative. There is a definite issue with traditional R&B artists under-performing commercially, not to mention, outside of UAC, they have no viable radio outlet. And when traditional R&B artists attempt to go more contemporary, they experience a struggle. It's a tricky balance to appease your existing audience and new audiences as Usher and Alicia have displayed with their current eras. The fact that their record label has no idea what to do also doesn't help matters. True. Alicia new album is more risky than Usher's btw. That's why I think Alicia is flopping 1) she/her team/her label have been releasing the wrong first singles since 2009 (although she did good numbers that time, but she had a huge it, Empire State of Mind). Doesn't Mean Anything was boring and sounded like a bland No One version. Girl On Fire was a mediocre pop song and she performed it MANY times (with some bad vocals). Then they released Brand New Me, which is a good song but it's not a pure Soul ballad so some people find it boring. Now they released In Common which is her best lead single since YDKMN but they didn't send it to Pop radios. This song should have been a hit. Then they released Blended Family which is just a cute song. I mean...why not releasing Pawn It All? That song is amazing! 2) RnB music ain't popular anymore. 3) the promo this Era has ben a mess. No radio support and so far almost no promo for the album ( she performed only on The Jimmy Fallon Show).
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Post by music89 on Nov 6, 2016 13:17:43 GMT -5
Let's pray the numbers go up before the end of the week, there's hope (kinda). Now if only she was on a label that wasn't RCA or could it be that people checked out when she hooked up with swizz OR was it when she stopped working with Kerry Brothers??? Hmmmm time will tell... Few people stopped listening to her because of that homewrecker rumor (how dumb LOL)...but that's not the main reason she's flopping. And yeah...some people miss Krucial but she doesn't need Krucial to make great songs. Also She worked with Krucial on The Element of Freedom and that is her weakest album imo.
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Post by koolthing on Nov 6, 2016 13:19:56 GMT -5
Then they released Blended Family which is just a cute song. I mean...why not releasing Pawn It All? That song is amazing! Woulda been a much better single. "Blended Family" is beautiful in context, not so ear-catching otherwise – labels need to stop thinking a guest verse is enough to get attention...
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Post by Dammn Baby on Nov 6, 2016 14:04:48 GMT -5
Drake and Beyonce say hi. Drake album is RNB?! (I didn't listen to it because his "singing" voice is annoying to me and he's overrated). Beyoncé is more Pop...Pop/Urban... It's R&B/Hip-Hop. In no universe would Lemonade be classified as Pop. LOL. What you're referring to is traditional R&B, I suppose.
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Post by Nick on Nov 6, 2016 17:39:46 GMT -5
No one knew Franklin Ocean had an album coming out and he sold 200k+ without much promotion or hit single. I never thought he had a big fan base. LOL at Franklin Ocean. Anyway, Frank Ocean was a hot new artist in 2012. His album was very anticipated. You can't compare that to R&B veterans like Maxwell, Alicia and Usher. At this point they are probably not gaining many new fans, but hoping to keep most of their die hard fanbase.
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Nov 6, 2016 18:49:48 GMT -5
All in All: RCA is s**t. Look at the past R&B releases : Usher-38k Fantasia-32k Monica-35k Tinashe-18k
The R&B department is fucked.
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Post by vipanonymous on Nov 6, 2016 19:25:00 GMT -5
I wasn't expecting this. This album is amazing. She's grown so much as an artist. I'm in love with 'HERE'.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Nov 6, 2016 22:33:48 GMT -5
While I don't need a rehash of this album, I wouldn't mind the Illuminati coming back together for at least a few songs per album going forward. They have very strong chemistry. Also, Pharrell is welcome to have a seat at the table, since he provided me with one of my favorite Alicia songs to date. Girl Can't Be Herself is somewhat of a waste of a hot instrumental but it's not the worst thing she has done. Her coming out song is sexy as hell. I can see why In Common was left out stylistically but why wasn't 28000 Days included?? Also, I like how the album is very cohesive and the songs bleed into the interludes. Edit: @ her being this accomplished piano/keyboard player but only playing on 2 songs on the album. I figured that was her at least in Pawn It All, but...nope. Anyway, Work On It for next single please. It's my go-to song on the album and is just flawless.
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Post by Ty on Nov 7, 2016 9:40:09 GMT -5
All in All: RCA is s**t. Look at the past R&B releases : Usher-38k Fantasia-32k Monica-35k Tinashe-18k The R&B department is f**ked. I didn't realize Monica did 35k last year and it's even better than Fantasia. I always thought Monica was a big flop and Fantasia did okay. This industry is over, isn't it?
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Post by wavey.✨️ on Nov 7, 2016 10:34:00 GMT -5
All in All: RCA is s**t. Look at the past R&B releases : Usher-38k Fantasia-32k Monica-35k Tinashe-18k The R&B department is f**ked. I didn't realize Monica did 35k last year and it's even better than Fantasia. I always thought Monica was a big flop and Fantasia did okay. This industry is over, isn't it? Promo sucks for R&B artists. Even K.Michelle opened up better them last year with 60k. Something needs to be done.
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Post by divasummer on Nov 7, 2016 12:43:06 GMT -5
I would assume she is going to get a spot on "The Voice? right??? Maybe she'll be on the AmA's too. She used to be on every award show. lol
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Post by music89 on Nov 7, 2016 12:50:33 GMT -5
I would assume she is going to get a spot on "The Voice? right??? Maybe she'll be on the AmA's too. She used to be on every award show. lol But AMA's, VMA's, EMA's...are so trash now. I don't even wanna see her performing at those awards tbh.
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Post by music89 on Nov 7, 2016 12:53:20 GMT -5
I need Pawn It All, She Dont Really Care/One Love, More Than We Know and Illusion of Bliss as singles.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Nov 7, 2016 13:36:14 GMT -5
Love Illusion of Bliss but it's too raw for a single and I honestly don't remember how More Than We Know goes. Oh wait...that's the campfire song towards the end, right?
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Post by Ty on Nov 7, 2016 18:48:19 GMT -5
OMG. The "In Common (Kaskade Remix)" is something to die for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the songs from HERE.
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Post by Rican@ on Nov 7, 2016 20:25:09 GMT -5
Eww no, its cute, but no. Don't disrespect HERE like that
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Post by Kishi KCM on Nov 8, 2016 10:23:32 GMT -5
I agree with most of what's written in this thread, but I can't deal with anyone claiming that TEOF is her weakest effort. That's just plain disrespect.
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Post by mamaloveme on Nov 8, 2016 10:42:39 GMT -5
The Element Of Freedom is FLAWLESSS
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Post by mamaloveme on Nov 8, 2016 10:50:37 GMT -5
she should release the album this friday, which give her more room to get better sale with live this week and promotion for The Live round of The Voice and no conflict with Election
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Post by adamalterlago on Nov 8, 2016 11:41:08 GMT -5
she should release the album this friday, which give her more room to get better sale with live this week and promotion for The Live round of The Voice and no conflict with Election She already released it.
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Post by mamaloveme on Nov 8, 2016 11:50:21 GMT -5
she should release the album this friday, which give her more room to get better sale with live this week and promotion for The Live round of The Voice and no conflict with Election She already released it. I know, i meant she can release a week later could be better
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Post by Rican@ on Nov 8, 2016 12:09:38 GMT -5
The Element Of Freedom is FLAWLESSS Not with that Beyonce's song or "Distance and Time". However, it is pretty great.
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Post by MiniMusic on Nov 8, 2016 12:31:11 GMT -5
I'm just LOVING this album!!!!! The messages in the lyrics are too good and the melodies are great
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Post by music89 on Nov 8, 2016 13:23:45 GMT -5
Pawn It All slays
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Post by Rican@ on Nov 8, 2016 13:27:32 GMT -5
"Pawn It All" could definitely work as a single. One of her most exciting songs that she performed, it has energy. Love it.
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