dm2081
7x Platinum Member
Joined: April 2014
Posts: 7,031
|
Post by dm2081 on Aug 19, 2014 16:47:46 GMT -5
This was one of the most vanilla songs on the chart to me, so I'll be glad if it is indeed done. It's not bad, not good, just there. Not to mention the lyrics are pretty unoriginal too. I think these guys might spend the rest of their career living in "Angel Eyes" shadow. I actually really enjoy this song but it's chart run has been slow and uneventful to say the least. "Angel Eyes" was one song I was surprised ended up being a huge #1 single, and really one of the biggest hits of 2012. But then the follow up was released what seemed like an eternity afterwards and "Runnin' Out Of Air" huffed and puffed it's way to the top 35 and "If You Ever Get Lonely" had the same exact chart run. Now this song might end up having, once again, the same exact peak. Their best song was "Runaway" to me when Brian was still a member of Love and Theft. I really like "Dancing In Circles" too. But I still don't think these guys are a household name yet. It's just getting to the point where 2 years after their biggest hit they haven't had one decent follow up chart-wise. It will be really tough for them to get another chart topper.
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Aug 19, 2014 16:57:40 GMT -5
I actually really enjoy this song but it's chart run has been slow and uneventful to say the least. "Angel Eyes" was one song I was surprised ended up being a huge #1 single, and really one of the biggest hits of 2012. But then the follow up was released what seemed like an eternity afterwards and "Runnin' Out Of Air" huffed and puffed it's way to the top 35 and "If You Ever Get Lonely" had the same exact chart run. Now this song might end up having, once again, the same exact peak. Their best song was "Runaway" to me when Brian was still a member of Love and Theft. I really like "Dancing In Circles" too. But I still don't think these guys are a household name yet. It's just getting to the point where 2 years after their biggest hit they haven't had one decent follow up chart-wise. It will be really tough for them to get another chart topper. I think they were fortunate to have "Angel Eyes" break out to be the surprise hit of the year in 2012. But all their momentum was shattered by "Runnin' Out Of Air" being sent to radio a good two months after it peaked. I think many fans know who they are at this point and radio certainly does, but they aren't releasing music that sets them apart from the competition. Hind sights 20/20, but releasing this song when they did was about as bad as you could get for timing. I'm certainly not expecting them to get another chart topper any time soon either. I'm interested to see how long RCA decided to stick with Eric and Stephen and when they decide that their money might be better invested in someone who has a better chance at gaining traction with country radio.
|
|
Markus Meyer
Platinum Member
Favorite Single of 2020 So Far: “betty” by Taylor Swift
Joined: August 2013
Posts: 1,625
|
Post by Markus Meyer on Aug 19, 2014 17:05:38 GMT -5
I really like "Dancing In Circles" too. But I still don't think these guys are a household name yet. It's just getting to the point where 2 years after their biggest hit they haven't had one decent follow up chart-wise. It will be really tough for them to get another chart topper. I think they were fortunate to have "Angel Eyes" break out to be the surprise hit of the year in 2012. But all their momentum was shattered by "Runnin' Out Of Air" being sent to radio a good two months after it peaked. I think many fans know who they are at this point and radio certainly does, but they aren't releasing music that sets them apart from the competition. Hind sights 20/20, but releasing this song when they did was about as bad as you could get for timing. I'm certainly not expecting them to get another chart topper any time soon either. I'm interested to see how long RCA decided to stick with Eric and Stephen and when they decide that their money might be better invested in someone who has a better chance at gaining traction with country radio. I think releasing a song like "Runaway" would get them a hit. Fluff like "Runnin' Out of Air" and NTYNF won't work. It's not bad, it's just not very different.
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Aug 19, 2014 17:15:29 GMT -5
I think they were fortunate to have "Angel Eyes" break out to be the surprise hit of the year in 2012. But all their momentum was shattered by "Runnin' Out Of Air" being sent to radio a good two months after it peaked. I think many fans know who they are at this point and radio certainly does, but they aren't releasing music that sets them apart from the competition. Hind sights 20/20, but releasing this song when they did was about as bad as you could get for timing. I'm certainly not expecting them to get another chart topper any time soon either. I'm interested to see how long RCA decided to stick with Eric and Stephen and when they decide that their money might be better invested in someone who has a better chance at gaining traction with country radio. I think releasing a song like "Runaway" would get them a hit. Fluff like "Runnin' Out of Air" and NTYNF won't work. It's not bad, it's just not very different.Sometimes it's all about momentum and who's radio's flavor of the month though. Someone like Eric Paslay had a big #1 MB hit like "Friday Night" and the follow up (which was released immediately after "Friday Night" unlike "Runnin' Out Of Air") ended up being fully supported by radio despite lack of sales and mixed feedback from call-out scores. Heck as much as I like "Look At You" by Big & Rich, I've heard plenty say how it's nothing special yet New Revolution has been able to work magic and has it now on the cusp of the top 20 with an album release date set. Love and Theft just has no momentum and have gotten lost in the shuffle. It's that plain and simple really. I do think a different kind of song would help right now and that's a contributing factor, but radio has proven that song quality or "different" songs aren't a guarantee for getting hits on 2014 country radio.
|
|
Kat5Kind
Gold Member
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 768
|
Post by Kat5Kind on Aug 19, 2014 18:28:29 GMT -5
These guys are so good live. I think they just need the right song to break them through again and then not screw up the follow-up to that. They have a lot of star potential, but putting songs like this out wont help them right now. Wish their label would get it together with them. Also, there's not many artists I would travel a long distance to go see, but they have really impressed me with their sound and talent and if they go anywhere within 4 hours from here I'll go for sure.
|
|
kw9461
3x Platinum Member
Joined: January 2007
Posts: 3,764
|
Post by kw9461 on Aug 19, 2014 20:35:17 GMT -5
If they couldn't score a hit with "If You Ever Get Lonely", then chances are they were never going to. This song conformed to radio's lowered expectations and has a pretty tight melody, but never really got out of low gear. Radio has seemed to move on. It's a shame, because Angel Eyes is one of their weakest outputs, but the only thing most will remember from these guys.
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Aug 25, 2014 12:20:40 GMT -5
"Night That You'll Never Forget" is officially done. Down over 100 spins (down 142 over the past 7 days) in today's update and down 500k in audience over the past 7 days. It will go recurrent on MB the week after next and should be sent recurrent on Billboard tonight. It's MB peak was #34 and Billboard peak was #36.
|
|
Ten Pound Hammer
9x Platinum Member
Banned
I watched it all on my radio
Joined: August 2006
Posts: 9,595
|
Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Aug 25, 2014 14:42:06 GMT -5
I wonder why this didn't catch on. I would think that with all the teenybopper acts like Dan + Shay, Hunter Hayes, etc., that L&T would be thriving now.
|
|
Markus Meyer
Platinum Member
Favorite Single of 2020 So Far: “betty” by Taylor Swift
Joined: August 2013
Posts: 1,625
|
Post by Markus Meyer on Aug 25, 2014 14:46:59 GMT -5
I wonder why this didn't catch on. I would think that with all the teenybopper acts like Dan + Shay, Hunter Hayes, etc., that L&T would be thriving now. Can't speak for anyone else, but I find the recent work of both Hayes and D+S to be far more memorable than this song, which is pleasant enough but doesn't really stand out IMO.
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Aug 25, 2014 14:52:40 GMT -5
I wonder why this didn't catch on. I would think that with all the teenybopper acts like Dan + Shay, Hunter Hayes, etc., that L&T would be thriving now. Can't speak for anyone else, but I find the recent work of both Hayes and D+S to be far more memorable than this song, which is pleasant enough but doesn't really stand out IMO. I think he meant why Love and Theft isn't thriving overall lately. Both "Runnin' Out Of Air" and "If You Ever Get Lonely" also died in the 30's and say what you will about this song, but I feel it was catchy and safe enough for a decent lead single. They've just been lost in the shuffle lately and this song (along with others I can list) was just overlooked due to the numerous competitors this summer. Regarding the "teenybopper" acts thriving; I remember Love and Theft talking about how Carolwood/Lyric Street tried making them into the Jonas Brothers of country music.
|
|
someguy
Diamond Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 16,026
|
Post by someguy on Aug 25, 2014 19:37:23 GMT -5
This got a grace week tonight (much like Kacey Musgraves did last week), but I agree that this is basically done. Too bad, because I also found it catchy. I like it a lot better than a lot of songs at radio right now.
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Aug 25, 2014 19:44:04 GMT -5
This got a grace week tonight (much like Kacey Musgraves did last week), but I agree that this is basically done. Too bad, because I also found it catchy. I like it a lot better than a lot of songs at radio right now. It didn't take a sharp turn downward til this mornings update, so Billboard gave it a grace week.
|
|
someguy
Diamond Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 16,026
|
Post by someguy on Aug 25, 2014 22:01:10 GMT -5
There's an ad for this in tonight's Aircheck, so it looks like RCA isn't quite done with this yet. It'll be interesting to see if they can succeed in reviving it.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 22:23:15 GMT -5
Songs that are struggling to move up often take nosedives over the weekend since there are no labels working the phones, but the RCA promotion staff should have gotten back to work on this Love & Theft record today and there's a decent chance we'll see "Night That You'll Never Forget" have some better days this week. My confidence that this song will reach a high (top 20) peak position on the charts has waned over the past few weeks, but I can definitely see the song at least treading water for a few more weeks similarly to Kacey Musgraves' current single. I'm not too sure what good it does a label to invest so much time in a lead single if it doesn't end up taking off eventually, though.
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Aug 25, 2014 22:32:04 GMT -5
Songs that are struggling to move up often take nosedives over the weekend since there are no labels working the phones, but the RCA promotion staff should have gotten back to work on this Love & Theft record today and there's a decent chance we'll see "Night That You'll Never Forget" have some better days this week. My confidence that this song will reach a high (top 20) peak position on the charts has waned over the past few weeks, but I can definitely see the song at least treading water for a few more weeks similarly to Kacey Musgraves' current single. I'm not too sure what good it does a label to invest so much time in a lead single if it doesn't end up taking off eventually, though. My thoughts exactly. Even though I like this song, I think it was pretty evident that it wasn't going to be a hit a few weeks ago and the fact that it appears RCA is attempting to salvage the wreckage that is "Night That You'll Never Forget" is a losing battle. It has a dreadful sales to spins ratio and has already been treading water most of August. RCA is a prominent label who knows what they're doing I'm sure, but trying to spark life into a song on life support like this is just going to delay the inevitable and cost the label promotion and $$ to go with it. Could it be saved and reach the top 30? Sure, but unless they are preparing to release an album (which I'm sure won't happen), I don't see how they can keep this alive for a top 20 to top 15 peak.
|
|
someguy
Diamond Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 16,026
|
Post by someguy on Aug 26, 2014 22:39:38 GMT -5
The campaign seems to be working so far, as this gained both spins and AI after taking a huge hit yesterday (and conversely, Kacey's song took a big hit today). These have been two of the hardest to figure out chart runs in quite some time!
|
|
bluedog6
New Member
Joined: June 2012
Posts: 217
|
Post by bluedog6 on Aug 29, 2014 18:52:36 GMT -5
I heard this on radio at least twice today and the same yesterday. I hadn't heard it much before. In fact I didn't know who this was singing this song until yesterday when I decided to pay attention because this song got stuck in my head. It's still stuck in my head. While nothing truly special, I find this song very appealing. Much more so than some other songs that have me running across the office to turn down the volume for several minutes before going back to listening again. I hope this one keeps going because I really like it.
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Aug 31, 2014 15:29:32 GMT -5
The campaign seems to be working so far, as this gained both spins and AI after taking a huge hit yesterday (and conversely, Kacey's song took a big hit today). These have been two of the hardest to figure out chart runs in quite some time! Well the last second efforts from RCA have worked, at least for this week. "Night That You'll Never Forget" has increased 81 spins and roughly 550k in audience this week and moves from #38 to #34 on MB. In fact they leapfrogged Randy's "Like A Cowboy" in the process. This coming on the heels of being down 47 spins and roughly 550k in audience this past week along with losing 200 total points. Those numbers for a song over 20 weeks old, would more times than not, indicate your song is finished. But RCA will not go down without a fight.
|
|
|
Post by countrymusic20 on Aug 31, 2014 16:07:43 GMT -5
My guess would be that one of the songwriters on this song (initials DD) kicked in some $$$ to hire outside promotion to keep it going.
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Sept 3, 2014 20:17:20 GMT -5
"Night That You'll Never Forget" is officially done. Down over 100 spins (down 142 over the past 7 days) in today's update and down 500k in audience over the past 7 days. It will go recurrent on MB the week after next and should be sent recurrent on Billboard tonight. It's MB peak was #34 and Billboard peak was #36. Forgive me for this post. Though the numbers that I had analyzed should have meant that this was done. But after the sudden add in Aircheck last week, "Night That You'll Never Forget" is alive and kicking, at least for the immediate future. It's up 70 spins and nearly 400k in audience on MB since Sunday. This coming off the heels of being up over 80 spins and 500k in audience this past week. I don't know exactly what went on here. The possibility of someone like Dallas Davidson giving this song some promotional help with his own income like countrymusic20 pointed out is certainly a intriguing possibility though I'd be lying if I said that was probably the reason. Everything pointed to this being over - Especially the fact that it had that sudden drop in points, audience, and spins at the 20 week mark. That to me was going to be the tipping point for RCA to cut their losses and pull this. I don't know how much longer this song will last but RCA definitely isn't fooling around with the fact that this song has done a 180 in it's update from two weeks ago.
|
|
|
Post by countrymusic20 on Sept 5, 2014 20:04:57 GMT -5
"Night That You'll Never Forget" is officially done. Down over 100 spins (down 142 over the past 7 days) in today's update and down 500k in audience over the past 7 days. It will go recurrent on MB the week after next and should be sent recurrent on Billboard tonight. It's MB peak was #34 and Billboard peak was #36. Forgive me for this post. Though the numbers that I had analyzed should have meant that this was done. But after the sudden add in Aircheck last week, "Night That You'll Never Forget" is alive and kicking, at least for the immediate future. It's up 70 spins and nearly 400k in audience on MB since Sunday. This coming off the heels of being up over 80 spins and 500k in audience this past week. I don't know exactly what went on here. The possibility of someone like Dallas Davidson giving this song some promotional help with his own income like countrymusic20 pointed out is certainly a intriguing possibility though I'd be lying if I said that was probably the reason. Everything pointed to this being over - Especially the fact that it had that sudden drop in points, audience, and spins at the 20 week mark. That to me was going to be the tipping point for RCA to cut their losses and pull this. I don't know how much longer this song will last but RCA definitely isn't fooling around with the fact that this song has done a 180 in it's update from two weeks ago. Something turned it around - and that usually involves a little $$$. A record label can't legally pay stations to play the song ... their way around that is to hire independent radio promoters to do it. Sometimes some of the money comes from the songwriters and publishers. Obviously this song was struggling mightily and suddenly turned around and it just so happens that one of Nashville's better off financially songwriters was a writer on this song. The answer too most mystery's in the music business is follow the money trail.
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Sept 11, 2014 10:51:28 GMT -5
Down 53 spins since Sunday and down 113 over the past seven days. "Night That You'll Never Forget" also has lost about 300k in audience since Sunday as well. It actually had a barely break even week this past chart issue and now they are sputtering downwards. I know that RCA tried to rectify this song a couple weeks back after it appeared done, but it seems to me that was only delaying the inevitable. This scenario is actually what I expected after the push to save this song - Where it recovers for another 2-4 weeks before going down for good.
I'll wait to see how Friday and Saturday shape up for this one, but I suspect that "Night That You'll Never Forget" has finally faltered.
|
|
someguy
Diamond Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 16,026
|
Post by someguy on Sept 11, 2014 19:36:19 GMT -5
My instinct is that it's done as well, but this song has had so many lives. It's too bad it hasn't taken off, because I think it's a lot better than similar themed songs that have hit over the last couple of years.
|
|
someguy
Diamond Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 16,026
|
Post by someguy on Sept 15, 2014 21:18:43 GMT -5
And now it receives another grace week, despite losing spins and AI. This really is the song that won't die ;)
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Sept 15, 2014 22:11:45 GMT -5
And now it receives another grace week, despite losing spins and AI. This really is the song that won't die ;) It's like this song and Kacey's "Keep It To Yourself" (which lost it's fight recently) have lived in the 30's the entire summer.
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 0:41:35 GMT -5
And now it receives another grace week, despite losing spins and AI. This really is the song that won't die ;) I'm being nitpicky here, but tonight's chart doesn't count as a grace week for them. The song lost 127k in audience and 3 spins over the tracking period, but it still retained its bullet. It would've had to lose its bullet (in addition to a small audience loss, of course) for it to count as a grace week. So technically, this could lose 20 spins and 300k next week, but if Billboard doesn't deem that a big enough loss to send it recurrent, then they could grant L&T a grace week. It's really up to Billboard's discretion as to how big a loss has to be for them to send a song recurrent. RCA just needs to let this go, though. On Thursday it had a -113 bullet on Mediabase before recovering a bit over the weekend. But the song just isn't gaining. It's not going anywhere, and it's not selling either.
|
|
dm2081
7x Platinum Member
Joined: April 2014
Posts: 7,031
|
Post by dm2081 on Sept 16, 2014 1:00:34 GMT -5
RCA just needs to let this go, though. On Thursday it had a -113 bullet on Mediabase before recovering a bit over the weekend. But the song just isn't gaining. It's not going anywhere, and it's not selling either. Yup, it's just taking up space. Even discounting the song for $0.69 couldn't help this song sell any better. There is no way this song is going to climb the charts with the amount of big names ahead of them (And behind).
|
|
someguy
Diamond Member
Joined: October 2003
Posts: 16,026
|
Post by someguy on Sept 16, 2014 5:05:16 GMT -5
And now it receives another grace week, despite losing spins and AI. This really is the song that won't die ;) I'm being nitpicky here, but tonight's chart doesn't count as a grace week for them. The song lost 127k in audience and 3 spins over the tracking period, but it still retained its bullet. It would've had to lose its bullet (in addition to a small audience loss, of course) for it to count as a grace week. So technically, this could lose 20 spins and 300k next week, but if Billboard doesn't deem that a big enough loss to send it recurrent, then they could grant L&T a grace week. It's really up to Billboard's discretion as to how big a loss has to be for them to send a song recurrent. I always thought that a grace week meant that a song was allowed to bullet, despite losing both spins and audience. What else would have allowed it to bullet, despite losing both?
|
|
Deleted
Joined: January 1970
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 11:03:56 GMT -5
I always thought that a grace week meant that a song was allowed to bullet, despite losing both spins and audience. What else would have allowed it to bullet, despite losing both? It has to do with this little loophole: That's from the BDS Radio site. For it to technically count as a grace week, a song has to lose its bullet but still remain on the chart. Basically with grace weeks, Billboard just deems the loss not big enough to conclude that the song is completely done, so they give it that one week to see whether it will rebound or not. "Night That You'll Never Forget" actually did receive a grace week 3 weeks ago. www1.billboard.biz/bbbiz/photos/pdf/2013/country_update_0825.pdfThat was its 21st week (so it was eligible to go recurrent) and it didn't have a bullet, because Billboard deemed that a loss of 312k and 126 spins wasn't quite big enough for them to send the song recurrent.
|
|
sabre14
Diamond Member
Vince Gill & the Muppets make everything better
Joined: October 2013
Posts: 26,916
|
Post by sabre14 on Sept 21, 2014 13:23:53 GMT -5
And now it receives another grace week, despite losing spins and AI. This really is the song that won't die ;) RCA just needs to let this go, though. On Thursday it had a -113 bullet on Mediabase before recovering a bit over the weekend. But the song just isn't gaining. It's not going anywhere, and it's not selling either. And they have. Down 172 spins over the past seven days, and down nearly 800k in audience. It falls from #34 to #39 this week as well.
|
|