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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 11:44:34 GMT -5
I'm so tired of people pitting women against each other and acting like it's some of mortal sin if you don't have children or choose to be a careerwoman instead.
Let women live their lives and make their own choices and stop judging.
It's 2016, not 1950.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 21, 2016 12:11:47 GMT -5
I'm so tired of people pitting women against each other and acting like it's some of mortal sin if you don't have children or choose to be a careerwoman instead. Let women live their lives and make their own choices and stop judging. It's 2016, not 1950. KATY!
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jul 21, 2016 12:27:31 GMT -5
None of this would have happened if she stayed with country music. But look at what happened with LeAnn Rimes and Mindy McCready. One is a neverending fountain of tabloid fodder with her scandalous marriage and reality show stuff and the other is sadly no longer with us. Neither scenario is better than this. I just looked up who Mindy McCready was...what a sad story.
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Post by allow that on Jul 21, 2016 13:01:24 GMT -5
Wait... what's the connection between Mindy McCready and Taylor Swift?
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Post by 14887fan on Jul 21, 2016 14:43:40 GMT -5
Lol, who the hell brought all of these Country singers into this?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 18:41:33 GMT -5
I agree there is no need to bring up Carrie, Kelly or any other singer , I'm sure they have better things to do than worry about beefs like vocal rest and thinking about art . Katy is ok, so is Selina, the squad or even the Kardashians but can we leave the singers out of this please.
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Post by tommymonster44 on Jul 21, 2016 18:54:22 GMT -5
I think what Taylor has to worry about is for a shift in the media's narrative about her. While this issue in particular isn't a career ender, it is possible that the media will use the "Taylor swift is a lying snake" angle to get clicks in the future. Over time, if the media continually portrays Taylor in a negative light, then the public consensus about her may shift negative also.
Of course, a perfect lead single could totally prevent all of this from happening. Her team needs to be keeping this in mind when they create new music.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 19:19:49 GMT -5
Wait... what's the connection between Mindy McCready and Taylor Swift? None, I think Disco is just pointing out that remaining country doesn't necessarily mean being free from drama. Wasn't talking to you specifically, just meant in general for the Carrie talk to cease. :) Why there were three posts mentioning her on the last page. None of which were breaking any rules. It's a fair comparison. I had no idea there was any sort of tension between the two even if it was just fan fiction it's still fair discussion material. We already have enough posters unfairly micro managing this board. We don't need Mods unjustly censoring discussions. Maybe it's just me but his post didn't really come across as 'mod mode.' Snippy, yes, but more 'I'm still a fan and this dogpiling is getting out of hand now' than a real attempt to shut the discussion down. I sort of get it. A general discussion on how we think she'd perform if she tried to return to country would be more open than direct comparisons to someone whose 'rivalry' with Taylor has been dead for years now.
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Post by desertfloods on Jul 22, 2016 0:51:46 GMT -5
I will say, I think Carrie gives off a cold vibe many times - I'd be curious to know if her and Taylor have any interactions on camera. Also, do Taylor and Miranda get along? Reba? I know Taylor used to LOVE Kelly - she like specifically shouted her out many times when promoting Fearless back in 2009. I remember hearing it on Z100 driving to work. Side note: wow, that was a long time ago, wtf. Carrie has always been a shy and introverted person, sometimes people tend to mistake personality trait like that for coldness/unfriendliness. I don't know about others, but back when Kellie Pickler was one of Taylor's best friends during the TS/Fearless eras, there was a photo of Kellie, Taylor and Carrie hanging out together at a hockey game. I remember seeing a couple of brief onscreen interactions between Taylor and Carrie as well for some country show that Taylor hosted. It seemed to me that Taylor and Carrie were just on friendly acquaintance/coworker terms with each other. Their personalities, lifestyles, musical direction, career ambitions, circle of close friends etc are so different that I can't imagine they will have much in common.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 1:40:21 GMT -5
It's too bad so many Taylor-haters came out of the woodwork and started posting nasty stuff here. Several of you haven't posted much in a long time and now all of a sudden you show up out of the blue and join in bashing her to no end. Get a life, people. Taylor's a sweet angel and no amount of media-twisting and character assassinations can change that.
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Post by CriminallySmooth on Jul 22, 2016 6:58:26 GMT -5
Several of you haven't posted much in a long time and now all of a sudden you show up out of the blue and join in bashing her to no end No different then a fan joining a board JUST to defend her. Sit down. Tay Tay dug her own grave. I haven't even seen this in the media. I base my opinions of people based on what they themselves say and do. And this is karma for all the cheap song writing/stepping on other people she's done in order to build a career. I can't imagine what her next record will be about. All her reg material just blew up in her face.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 22, 2016 11:43:25 GMT -5
Several of you haven't posted much in a long time and now all of a sudden you show up out of the blue and join in bashing her to no end No different then a fan joining a board JUST to defend her. Sit down. Tay Tay dug her own grave. I haven't even seen this in the media. I base my opinions of people based on what they themselves say and do. And this is karma for all the cheap song writing/stepping on other people she's done in order to build a career. I can't imagine what her next record will be about. All her reg material just blew up in her face. Taylor utilized no other songwriting techniques that hasn't been employed by any other writer. Name a songwriter who doesn't craft their material based on their own life experiences: their relationships, their trials and tribulations, while doing so from their own perspective. They all do. The only reason Taylor seems to be blasted for doing so is because her romantic counterparts have had some level of celebrity. Had she had relationships with no-name, everyday men, these same "stepping on other people" accusations wouldn't even exist. Maybe she has played to the silaciousness of her lyrical content and her celebrity counterpart (during the Speak Now era for instance), but overall, it's more or less fans and people hunting for each song's inspiration. The criticism I've noticed her recieve FOR writing about her experiences and her relationships from her perspective, while nearly every other songwriter does the same without said criticism, is ridiculous. Some people do indeed just dislike her and look for any and absolutely everything to malign her for.
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Post by CriminallySmooth on Jul 22, 2016 12:16:12 GMT -5
No different then a fan joining a board JUST to defend her. Sit down. Tay Tay dug her own grave. I haven't even seen this in the media. I base my opinions of people based on what they themselves say and do. And this is karma for all the cheap song writing/stepping on other people she's done in order to build a career. I can't imagine what her next record will be about. All her reg material just blew up in her face. Taylor utilized no other songwriting techniques that hasn't been employed by any other writer. Name a songwriter who doesn't craft their material based on their own life experiences: their relationships, their trials and tribulations, while doing so from their own perspective. They all do. The only reason Taylor seems to be blasted for doing so is because her romantic counterparts have had some level of celebrity. Had she had relationships with no-name, everyday men, these same "stepping on other people" accusations wouldn't even exist. Maybe she has played to the silaciousness of her lyrical content and her celebrity counterpart (during the Speak Now era for instance), but overall, it's more or less fans and people hunting for each song's inspiration. The criticism I've noticed her recieve FOR writing about her experiences and her relationships from her perspective, while nearly every other songwriter does the same without said criticism, is ridiculous. Some people do indeed just dislike her and look for any and absolutely everything to malign her for. Of course artists draw from real life experience but there is a tasteful way to do it and then there is the Justin Timberlake route where your song is basically an extended tabloid. Shes basically made a career out of half a dozen Cry Me a Rivers.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 22, 2016 12:21:18 GMT -5
It's too bad so many Taylor-haters came out of the woodwork and started posting nasty stuff here. Several of you haven't posted much in a long time and now all of a sudden you show up out of the blue and join in bashing her to no end. Get a life, people. Taylor's a sweet angel and no amount of media-twisting and character assassinations can change that. I'm going to need receipts for these allegations because I was in full stan mode for Blank Space, Style and Out of the Woods and I will continue to pledge my allegiance to that trifecta along with I Know Places and New Romantics. Don't get me started on the greatest thing she has ever recorded known as State of Grace. You came out of the woodwork like the Pitbull stan charismatic with your tattered cape and broken logic. Your first post was to have the TS6 thread closed. Suspect, shady, and stalker-ish.
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Post by kmbgs on Jul 22, 2016 12:38:50 GMT -5
I feel like annasilva and I might still have sex
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Post by dbhmr on Jul 22, 2016 13:23:05 GMT -5
Don't get me started on the greatest thing she has ever recorded known as State of Grace. Ugh, fact. That song is perfect. All she needs to do is release a catchy, breezy-but-twisted lead single entitled "House of Cards" next April and she'll be back in business.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 14:48:00 GMT -5
No different then a fan joining a board JUST to defend her. Sit down. Tay Tay dug her own grave. I haven't even seen this in the media. I base my opinions of people based on what they themselves say and do. And this is karma for all the cheap song writing/stepping on other people she's done in order to build a career. I can't imagine what her next record will be about. All her reg material just blew up in her face. Taylor utilized no other songwriting techniques that hasn't been employed by any other writer. Name a songwriter who doesn't craft their material based on their own life experiences: their relationships, their trials and tribulations, while doing so from their own perspective. They all do. The only reason Taylor seems to be blasted for doing so is because her romantic counterparts have had some level of celebrity. Had she had relationships with no-name, everyday men, these same "stepping on other people" accusations wouldn't even exist. Maybe she has played to the silaciousness of her lyrical content and her celebrity counterpart (during the Speak Now era for instance), but overall, it's more or less fans and people hunting for each song's inspiration. The criticism I've noticed her recieve FOR writing about her experiences and her relationships from her perspective, while nearly every other songwriter does the same without said criticism, is ridiculous. Some people do indeed just dislike her and look for any and absolutely everything to malign her for. Isn't it hypocritical for her to be up in arms about a song referencing her without her consent, when she does the same to an entire chain of people though? I get what you're saying which, for anyone else, would make sense. But for someone whose career benefits personally from basically publicly tarnishing others while holding herself up as the victim in every case, it does not. Not sure if it's true but I did hear she stopped performing that song where she slut-shamed Joe Jonas' ex.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 22, 2016 17:45:59 GMT -5
Of course artists draw from real life experience but there is a tasteful way to do it and then there is the Justin Timberlake route where your song is basically an extended tabloid. Shes basically made a career out of half a dozen Cry Me a Rivers. The only song even remotely similar to the direct "expository" level of "Cry Me A River" was "Dear John" (an album-only cut) and even that wasn't accompanied by a video featuring his lookalike. lol To say she has made a career out of releases like that is a strong exaggeration.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 22, 2016 18:06:25 GMT -5
Taylor utilized no other songwriting techniques that hasn't been employed by any other writer. Name a songwriter who doesn't craft their material based on their own life experiences: their relationships, their trials and tribulations, while doing so from their own perspective. They all do. The only reason Taylor seems to be blasted for doing so is because her romantic counterparts have had some level of celebrity. Had she had relationships with no-name, everyday men, these same "stepping on other people" accusations wouldn't even exist. Maybe she has played to the silaciousness of her lyrical content and her celebrity counterpart (during the Speak Now era for instance), but overall, it's more or less fans and people hunting for each song's inspiration. The criticism I've noticed her recieve FOR writing about her experiences and her relationships from her perspective, while nearly every other songwriter does the same without said criticism, is ridiculous. Some people do indeed just dislike her and look for any and absolutely everything to malign her for. Isn't it hypocritical for her to be up in arms about a song referencing her without her consent, when she does the same to an entire chain of people though? I get what you're saying which, for anyone else, would make sense. But for someone whose career benefits personally from basically publicly tarnishing others while holding herself up as the victim in every case, it does not. Not sure if it's true but I did hear she stopped performing that song where she slut-shamed Joe Jonas' ex. I see the point you're trying to make, but I don't agree with it, and no I don't think it makes her hypocritical. It wasn't Kanye speaking his experience or his "truth" that was an issue in MY eyes, but his delivery. Find a Taylor Swift composition (aside from maybe "Dear John", which was even a play on the "dear John letter") where Taylor specifically names the subject of her lyrics or uses derogatory/defamatory language in reference to them? Taylor writes music from her perspective, while also broadly enough so that millions of people can relate to it. She mostly speaks from a place of emotion and how she felt at the time she wrote the song. I don't think her songs were written at all with the intent to defame. That's a wee bit different from Kanye's "I made that bitch famous", "I feel like me and Taylor still might have sex". Had Taylor had songs with lyrics like "Joe Jonas is an asshole, he's a manwhore" or something along those lines I might be inclined to agree with you. Kanye specifically targets, names, and defames people regularly. Taylor does not. If people wanna speculate and strip down and disect her lyrics and compare timelines and pinpoint who they think the song is about and then spin a story that becomes a headline, well that is a bit out of her control. Taylor is an extremely high profile artist. People will always be able to deduce who her songs are about (whether or nott the subject is a celebrity). That doesn't mean she shouldn't write about her experiences or feelings due to that fact. As long as she isn't specifically naming/pointing fingers I see no moral/character issue here. If people find Taylor's lyrical approach of discussing people in and out of her life "tasteless", I can't imagine what they think of Kanye's. lol
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Post by CriminallySmooth on Jul 22, 2016 18:36:43 GMT -5
Of course artists draw from real life experience but there is a tasteful way to do it and then there is the Justin Timberlake route where your song is basically an extended tabloid. Shes basically made a career out of half a dozen Cry Me a Rivers. The only song even remotely similar to the direct "expository" level of "Cry Me A River" was "Dear John" (an album-only cut) and even that wasn't accompanied by a video featuring his lookalike. lol To say she has made a career out of releases like that is a strong exaggeration. Ugh idc about Tay Tay enough to argue about her. She's phony manipulative and uses people including her fans. Unless she grows up and starts to realize she herself played a role in all these things happening to her she'll never be happy but hey at least shell always have material for all the other self victimizing people of the world to buy. Maybe that's enough for her. Personally I think we should all strive to be better and grow with every experience.
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Post by toomuchboy on Jul 22, 2016 18:42:54 GMT -5
Isn't it hypocritical for her to be up in arms about a song referencing her without her consent, when she does the same to an entire chain of people though? I get what you're saying which, for anyone else, would make sense. But for someone whose career benefits personally from basically publicly tarnishing others while holding herself up as the victim in every case, it does not. Not sure if it's true but I did hear she stopped performing that song where she slut-shamed Joe Jonas' ex. I get your overall point, but didn’t she write “Back to December” about the fact that she treated Taylor Lautner badly? I never really minded BTR, because that's the only song of its kind she's written.
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Post by ampersand on Jul 22, 2016 20:08:27 GMT -5
Isn't it hypocritical for her to be up in arms about a song referencing her without her consent, when she does the same to an entire chain of people though? I get what you're saying which, for anyone else, would make sense. But for someone whose career benefits personally from basically publicly tarnishing others while holding herself up as the victim in every case, it does not. Not sure if it's true but I did hear she stopped performing that song where she slut-shamed Joe Jonas' ex. If people wanna speculate and strip down and disect her lyrics and compare timelines and pinpoint who they think the song is about and then spin a story that becomes a headline, well that is a bit out of her control. Taylor is an extremely high profile artist. People will always be able to deduce who her songs are about (whether or nott the subject is a celebrity). That doesn't mean she shouldn't write about her experiences or feelings due to that fact. As long as she isn't specifically naming/pointing fingers I see no moral/character issue here. You cannot possibly believe that last bit. Yes, I agree that people will speculate about who is the muse behind her songs, but she deliberately plays into this with the 'hints' she leaves in the linear notes and the interviews she gives. Yes, you're right that "Dear John" is a play on the dear john letter, but the fact that she used that specific trope was a thinly veiled way of calling him out. Even then she called him "presumptuous" for assuming the song was about him -- but it doesn't really take much effort to make the connection. "Bad Blood" is also another clear example where she fed into the speculation. The lyrics themselves are generic enough that the song could literally be about anyone, but she made it obvious who it was about in her Rolling Stone interview. She fails to acknowledge this, however, in the GQ interview she later gave: "So you say, “That was about losing a friend.” And that’s basically all you say. [..] I never said anything that would point a finger in the specific direction of one specific person, and I can sleep at night knowing that." But that was not "basically all [she] said" on the subject. She had said previously that the song was about another female artist that tried to "hire people from under" her. Who else but Katy hired her dancers or whatever it was she claims to be pissed about? Contrary to what she said, she did point the finger there. And I've only brought up two examples here. There are many more. I'm not weighing in on if this is a moral issue; I'm just pointing out that she does sometimes point out exactly who her songs are about. tl;dr: Kanye may be a s**t-disturber, but that doesn't negate the fact that Taylor is as well.
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Post by surfy on Jul 22, 2016 20:17:59 GMT -5
Taylor is in the industry, she uses her tabloid fodder to her advantage. From a business standpoint, she's smart af... even if she's been sloppy lately with the Kanye situation. As a person, I don't really give a shit because I'll never know her personal life. As a musician, she's talented (she's not the best vocalist, but w/e.) and I'll continue to support her even though this feud has given me a few good laughs.
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If people wanna speculate and strip down and disect her lyrics and compare timelines and pinpoint who they think the song is about and then spin a story that becomes a headline, well that is a bit out of her control. Taylor is an extremely high profile artist. People will always be able to deduce who her songs are about (whether or nott the subject is a celebrity). That doesn't mean she shouldn't write about her experiences or feelings due to that fact. As long as she isn't specifically naming/pointing fingers I see no moral/character issue here. You cannot possibly believe that last bit. Yes, I agree that people will speculate about who is the muse behind her songs, but she deliberately plays into this with the 'hints' she leaves in the linear notes and the interviews she gives. Yes, you're right that "Dear John" is a play on the dear john letter, but the fact that she used that specific trope was a thinly veiled way of calling him out. Even then she called him "presumptuous" for assuming the song was about him -- but it doesn't really take much effort to make the connection. "Bad Blood" is also another clear example where she fed into the speculation. The lyrics themselves are generic enough that the song could literally be about anyone, but she made it obvious who it was about in her Rolling Stone interview. She fails to acknowledge this, however, in the GQ interview she later gave: "So you say, “That was about losing a friend.” And that’s basically all you say. [..] I never said anything that would point a finger in the specific direction of one specific person, and I can sleep at night knowing that." But that was not "basically all [she] said" on the subject. She had said previously that the song was about another female artist that tried to "hire people from under" her. Who else but Katy hired her dancers or whatever it was she claims to be pissed about? Contrary to what she said, she did point the finger there. And I've only brought up two examples here. There are many more. I'm not weighing in on if this is a moral issue; I'm just pointing out that she does sometimes point out exactly who her songs are about. tl;dr: Kanye may be a s**t-disturber, but that doesn't negate the fact that Taylor is as well. It's important to note too that whether or not the rumors of "song is about X" are true or not, she does not actively deny anything either. Let's pretend for a moment that this is some bizarre twilight zone existence where 'Bad Blood' isn't about Katy Perry. The media still took the Katy Perry theory and ran with it, and what did Taylor do? She let them. She never once dispelled the rumor, she never came out and said "no, it's not Katy". She let her stans ruthlessly attack her on Twitter, let the media continue to paint Katy in a negative light for it, and exploited her and this feud for her own gain. So if THAT is true, that's even worse—she's effectively letting someone take the fall for something they aren't even guilty of and laughing her way to the bank. Like hell yeah girl write about your feelings, but to act like she isn't deliberately exploiting her contemporaries to her own end is naive. Taylor Swift is white America's answer to 90s rap beef.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 22:42:01 GMT -5
actually let me for the first time defend Kanye against salacious accusations by stans (making it sound dramatic to mimic their dramatics) Kanye West A) is a musical genius who along the way lost his mind. As a fan of his for like 3 albums deep, he did not rise to popularity making songs like the one that caused this whole shitstorm or his pathetic attention seeking new video. No over time he MORPHED into Taylor SWift after all they do share the narcissistic gene but lets not act like Kanye was always like Taylor Swift or somehow worse. He is actually very talented in what he does and yes he has gone left but I would argue he was far more popular before than he is now. Taylor Swift whole modus operandi has been this way since the start and unlike Kanye its less defiant and more to stir up feelings but instead is "pity party" and painting her ex's in a bad light and flat out lies and deception to win the female vote per se. While Kanye is high key nuts, Taylor is straight up low key evil
I don't think simultaneously throwing Kanye under the bus while stanning for the same s**t is a wise decision.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 22, 2016 23:47:25 GMT -5
You cannot possibly believe that last bit. Yes, I agree that people will speculate about who is the muse behind her songs, but she deliberately plays into this with the 'hints' she leaves in the linear notes and the interviews she gives. Yes, you're right that "Dear John" is a play on the dear john letter, but the fact that she used that specific trope was a thinly veiled way of calling him out. Even then she called him "presumptuous" for assuming the song was about him -- but it doesn't really take much effort to make the connection. "Bad Blood" is also another clear example where she fed into the speculation. The lyrics themselves are generic enough that the song could literally be about anyone, but she made it obvious who it was about in her Rolling Stone interview. She fails to acknowledge this, however, in the GQ interview she later gave: "So you say, “That was about losing a friend.” And that’s basically all you say. [..] I never said anything that would point a finger in the specific direction of one specific person, and I can sleep at night knowing that." But that was not "basically all [she] said" on the subject. She had said previously that the song was about another female artist that tried to "hire people from under" her. Who else but Katy hired her dancers or whatever it was she claims to be pissed about? Contrary to what she said, she did point the finger there. And I've only brought up two examples here. There are many more. I'm not weighing in on if this is a moral issue; I'm just pointing out that she does sometimes point out exactly who her songs are about. tl;dr: Kanye may be a s**t-disturber, but that doesn't negate the fact that Taylor is as well. It's important to note too that whether or not the rumors of "song is about X" are true or not, she does not actively deny anything either. Let's pretend for a moment that this is some bizarre twilight zone existence where 'Bad Blood' isn't about Katy Perry. The media still took the Katy Perry theory and ran with it, and what did Taylor do? She let them. She never once dispelled the rumor, she never came out and said "no, it's not Katy". She let her stans ruthlessly attack her on Twitter, let the media continue to paint Katy in a negative light for it, and exploited her and this feud for her own gain. So if THAT is true, that's even worse—she's effectively letting someone take the fall for something they aren't even guilty of and laughing her way to the bank. Like hell yeah girl write about your feelings, but to act like she isn't deliberately exploiting her contemporaries to her own end is naive. Taylor Swift is white America's answer to 90s rap beef. Because, as we know, when a celebrity refutes sonething or ackowledges something, it kills the story in its tracks. lol Had she publicly denied the song was about Katy it would only have two results: 1.) It would've added fuel to the media fire, keeping it ongoing even further at an e en more heightened intensity. 2.) People would've called her a liar, fake, etc. "That is about Katy, she is so fake, full of shit." Even still, if she had confirmed the song was about Katy the outcome would have been worse. "Oh how dare she malign Katy and try to step on the back of another artist to get ahead yada yada." In the eyes of some she would be damned if she does, damned if doesn't. We already know she draws personal inspration from her own experiences, so even if she had never made a single comment about the song at all, people would still be digging to find answers of its origin only for a detractor to later hold it against her as well. To respond to another poster: Taylor never pointed the finger at Katy. She said it was a female singer who attempted to steal dancers from beneath her in the midst of a WW tour. PEOPLE and then MEDIA went digging to find names of dancers who worked/work with both along with dates of employment and questioned people involved to deduce who she could be referring to. Taylor could have simply said "it's about someone who stole my dancers" and folks would have done the same research that resulted in the same outcome. Taylor is an artist, again, who is incredibly high profile and can't say essentially anything without people doing investigative work. That doesn't mean she should just never speak about anytjing orr write about anything. It's almost as if her detractors want her to write about her her life experiences, but only from a perspective that is appeasing to them, and not to say ish when she's asked about the orrigins of her material, however vague her answer is.
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Post by die Lotterie on Jul 23, 2016 0:13:29 GMT -5
I understand the whole concept of writing songs from personal experience, but it's a little different when you craft it for pop radio with every intention for the masses to hear. It's not like "Bad Blood" was meant to be some obscure album cut, it was obviously meant to stir s**t up and start controversy. I know a talented female artist who crafted a similar song, but she never had a lengthy track record of smear campaigns and "character assassinations". Her song was actually a jam and a half as well.
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