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Post by elementd5 on Jul 23, 2016 1:21:08 GMT -5
It's important to note too that whether or not the rumors of "song is about X" are true or not, she does not actively deny anything either. Let's pretend for a moment that this is some bizarre twilight zone existence where 'Bad Blood' isn't about Katy Perry. The media still took the Katy Perry theory and ran with it, and what did Taylor do? She let them. She never once dispelled the rumor, she never came out and said "no, it's not Katy". She let her stans ruthlessly attack her on Twitter, let the media continue to paint Katy in a negative light for it, and exploited her and this feud for her own gain. So if THAT is true, that's even worse—she's effectively letting someone take the fall for something they aren't even guilty of and laughing her way to the bank. Like hell yeah girl write about your feelings, but to act like she isn't deliberately exploiting her contemporaries to her own end is naive. Taylor Swift is white America's answer to 90s rap beef. Because, as we know, when a celebrity refutes sonething or ackowledges something, it kills the story in its tracks. lol Had she publicly denied the song was about Katy it would only have two results: 1.) It would've added fuel to the media fire, keeping it ongoing even further at an e en more heightened intensity. 2.) People would've called her a liar, fake, etc. "That is about Katy, she is so fake, full of s**t." Even still, if she had confirmed the song was about Katy the outcome would have been worse. "Oh how dare she malign Katy and try to step on the back of another artist to get ahead yada yada." In the eyes of some she would be damned if she does, damned if doesn't. We already know she draws personal inspration from her own experiences, so even if she had never made a single comment about the song at all, people would still be digging to find answers of its origin only for a detractor to later hold it against her as well. To respond to another poster: Taylor never pointed the finger at Katy. She said it was a female singer who attempted to steal dancers from beneath her in the midst of a WW tour. PEOPLE and then MEDIA went digging to find names of dancers who worked/work with both along with dates of employment and questioned people involved to deduce who she could be referring to. Taylor could have simply said "it's about someone who stole my dancers" and folks would have done the same research that resulted in the same outcome. Taylor is an artist, again, who is incredibly high profile and can't say essentially anything without people doing investigative work. That doesn't mean she should just never speak about anytjing orr write about anything. It's almost as if her detractors want her to write about her her life experiences, but only from a perspective that is appeasing to them, and not to say ish when she's asked about the orrigins of her material, however vague her answer is. I love Taylor's music, but come on. Yes artists write about their experiences, but I don't know if I've ever witnessed an artist who on every album is pointing the finger at at least 2-3 specific people. Not saying it's a "bad" thing per se, but there's just no denying that she does it. It's almost an expected factor of her album releases: who is she going to write about next? |
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Post by 14887fan on Jul 23, 2016 2:32:03 GMT -5
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Post by itsaboutart on Jul 23, 2016 6:54:01 GMT -5
Anybody heard of Capn Spaulding and Justin Byrd, the 2 biggest Taylor fans of all time? Capn Spaulding has met Taylor 13 times and Justin Byrd wrote a song about her entitled Taylor Swift You Are the One I love.    I don't mean to mean I really don't. But there is something wrong with people like that. It's cool to discuss their music and be a fan of their work. But that's just strange. She is just a person who writes music that a company invested in and became famous. She is not a deity |
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Post by itsaboutart on Jul 23, 2016 6:54:30 GMT -5
Anybody heard of Capn Spaulding and Justin Byrd, the 2 biggest Taylor fans of all time? Capn Spaulding has met Taylor 13 times and Justin Byrd wrote a song about her entitled Taylor Swift You Are the One I love. I don't mean to be mean I really don't. But there is something wrong with people like that. It's cool to discuss their music and be a fan of their work. But that's just strange. She is just a person who writes music that a company invested in and became famous. She is not a deity |
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Post by kmbgs on Jul 23, 2016 8:06:05 GMT -5
I know a talented female artist who crafted a similar song, but she never had a lengthy track record of smear campaigns and "character assassinations". Her song was actually a jam and a half as well. 1. I caught that low key shade, love it, and 2.Who is this and 3. What is this song |
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Post by lyhom on Jul 23, 2016 8:17:47 GMT -5
Anybody heard of Capn Spaulding and Justin Byrd, the 2 biggest Taylor fans of all time? Capn Spaulding has met Taylor 13 times and Justin Byrd wrote a song about her entitled Taylor Swift You Are the One I love. omg |
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Post by gbaby on Jul 23, 2016 10:00:15 GMT -5
Are we out of the woods yet...?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 10:21:14 GMT -5
Here is a streaming version of Justin Byrd's legendary track "Taylor Swift You Are the One I Love" clyp.it/k1lwz5hu |
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Post by neverduplicated on Jul 23, 2016 10:42:58 GMT -5
Taylor's strength as an artist has always been that she writes about such personal experiences. Even on her first album, before there could have possibly been tabloid fodder about her, her songs were incredibly specific with references to specific people, times, and places. I find it refreshing that an artist actually writes about their personal experiences in such candid terms instead of writing vague poetry that could be about anyone and anything - not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you. This whole "feud" is beyond boring, and at the end of the day, people love Taylor's music, and they won't stop jamming to her because of a little bit of controversy that only seems exciting to people who were primed and waiting to drag Taylor in the mud anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 10:49:13 GMT -5
It's important to note too that whether or not the rumors of "song is about X" are true or not, she does not actively deny anything either. Let's pretend for a moment that this is some bizarre twilight zone existence where 'Bad Blood' isn't about Katy Perry. The media still took the Katy Perry theory and ran with it, and what did Taylor do? She let them. She never once dispelled the rumor, she never came out and said "no, it's not Katy". She let her stans ruthlessly attack her on Twitter, let the media continue to paint Katy in a negative light for it, and exploited her and this feud for her own gain. So if THAT is true, that's even worse—she's effectively letting someone take the fall for something they aren't even guilty of and laughing her way to the bank. Like hell yeah girl write about your feelings, but to act like she isn't deliberately exploiting her contemporaries to her own end is naive. Taylor Swift is white America's answer to 90s rap beef. Because, as we know, when a celebrity refutes sonething or ackowledges something, it kills the story in its tracks. lol Had she publicly denied the song was about Katy it would only have two results: 1.) It would've added fuel to the media fire, keeping it ongoing even further at an e en more heightened intensity. 2.) People would've called her a liar, fake, etc. "That is about Katy, she is so fake, full of s**t." Even still, if she had confirmed the song was about Katy the outcome would have been worse. "Oh how dare she malign Katy and try to step on the back of another artist to get ahead yada yada." And this is a defense... how? I'm not going to speculate on how the media might have reacted because that's irrelevant. Taylor still f**ked up by bothering to exploit Katy Perry's reputation, and the reputations of several others, no matter who these songs are actually about. It's made that much worse because she actively leads the media to these conclusions. In the case of 'Bad Blood', had she avoided dropping obvious hints the media would've had nothing to speculate over, nobody would've been the wiser, and we wouldn't be discussing how they would've reacted if she said "X, Y, or Z" about the situation; but, no, the new face of convenience feminism still put it out there and rode the wave. The point is that no matter which way you spin this, she's Regina George IRL. Come on y'all, I've tried to distract you from discussing the Kimye-Taylor incident by telling you about Capn Spaulding and Justin Byrd. well you're doing a s**t job |
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Post by die Lotterie on Jul 23, 2016 12:05:07 GMT -5
I know a talented female artist who crafted a similar song, but she never had a lengthy track record of smear campaigns and "character assassinations". Her song was actually a jam and a half as well. 1. I caught that low key shade, love it, and 2.Who is this and 3. What is this song I don't want to talk about other artists in here and deviate from the Kimye talk, but let's just say I'm Obsessed with "This Is What You Came For". It's Taylor's best song ever. |
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Jul 23, 2016 12:35:00 GMT -5
He's talking about Mariah Carey's shoulda been number one, OBSESSED.
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Post by ampersand on Jul 23, 2016 13:37:39 GMT -5
To respond to another poster: Taylor never pointed the finger at Katy. She said it was a female singer who attempted to steal dancers from beneath her in the midst of a WW tour. PEOPLE and then MEDIA went digging to find names of dancers who worked/work with both along with dates of employment and questioned people involved to deduce who she could be referring to. Taylor could have simply said "it's about someone who stole my dancers" and folks would have done the same research that resulted in the same outcome. There is a lapse in the logic of your argument. Taylor pointed the finger at Katy by leaving enough breadcrumbs for the media to follow. She wanted people to know it was about Katy. Nobody would have ever even known about their beef had she not basically spelled it out for us. Sure, she may not have explicitly said it was about Katy, but she gave enough details for the media to come to that conclusion easily. |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Jul 23, 2016 14:09:13 GMT -5
It would have been better for her in the eyes of some not to give any details, sure, but people would have speculated regardless, and I am not personally gonna fault her for speaking about the origins of her material (though she probably could have just said "Bad Blood" was fostered from the betrayel of a friend and left it at that, though still people would've been searching/digging/drawing conclusions). Her delivery could be better.
Character assassination is a strong accusation. I, personally, don't see speaking from your perspective of a relationship ("he broke my heart" etc) as "character assassination". I don't think the general population would listen to her songs and think "my God these men are awful people" (the general population isn't even wrapped up in, nor do they care who the song is about), as most people are smart enough to understand the concept of two sides to an argument. Had she been accusing her exes by way of lyrics of doing drugs, stealing, being abusive or other things that could truly shift public opinion of the individual I might be more inclined to agree with that assessment. The closest she came to truly pulling someone's character and public perception into question was Katy. To say she has made a career out of it is quite the overstatement.
It is humorous to m, however, that someone would malign her for assassinating someone's character while actively attacking hers. lol It's not as if we know for fact the things she's written about through the years aren't true.
I do enjoy this back and forth, but I am gonna bow out here. I have a personality where I could debate endlessly and I really don't wanna fill another two-three pages with discussion that clearly isn't going to reach a resolution or general consensus. Haha It was fun tho! :)
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 23, 2016 18:40:45 GMT -5
Anybody heard of Capn Spaulding and Justin Byrd, the 2 biggest Taylor fans of all time? Capn Spaulding has met Taylor 13 times and Justin Byrd wrote a song about her entitled Taylor Swift You Are the One I love. Sounds like he wants to wear her actual skin. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 22:12:52 GMT -5
Anna honey you will never learn about the art of stan warfare if you hang out with these basics, pm me and let show you how to inflict a campaign of gay themed smear, verbose and petty jihad. Your heart is in the right place but your wit is in the wrong place. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 9:30:01 GMT -5
Sounds like he wants to wear her actual skin. Have the lambs stopped screaming, Clarice? |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Jul 25, 2016 1:45:06 GMT -5
What's supposed to be happening here? Are they implying that Taylor should eat cake so this can become a reality? Or is that cake supposed to be representing her? So much is going on here I just don't know what. #QuestionsExisting |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 1:49:08 GMT -5
^ They were there for some party but a nice little dig, Kim K also took a snapchat singing "famous" and the Taylor Swift part so between that and the pic its more kiiii at taylors expense. Who is that pretty lady beside Calvin. I don't know her.
Everyone is looking somewhere else and Calvin look dead straight at the camera , he always stuck me as a opportunistic by nature. Get that promo Cal!
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jul 25, 2016 3:20:22 GMT -5
^ They were there for some party but a nice little dig, Kim K also took a snapchat singing "famous" and the Taylor Swift part so between that and the pic its more kiiii at taylors expense. Who is that pretty lady beside Calvin. I don't know her.Everyone is looking somewhere else and Calvin look dead straight at the camera , he always stuck me as a opportunistic by nature. Get that promo Cal! OMG DEAD  LOL You are being 'forgetful' LOL |
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Jul 26, 2016 2:42:32 GMT -5
Maybe she shouldn't do shady shit so people don't have to call her out for it. This is so stupid. |
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 27, 2016 1:45:44 GMT -5
She's not the first nor last person that has done this. Even YouTube comments on videos have had posts and replies deleted due to extreme negativity. |
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Post by allow that on Jul 27, 2016 7:49:06 GMT -5
She's not the first nor last person that has done this. Even YouTube comments on videos have had posts and replies deleted due to extreme negativity. It's cute that Instagram will remove emoji's from poor little Taylor Swift's account but is cool with the n-word and f*ggot being used to harass the families of victims of violence or the actually persecuted. Priorities are definitely in order. |
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 27, 2016 12:19:15 GMT -5
She's not the first nor last person that has done this. Even YouTube comments on videos have had posts and replies deleted due to extreme negativity. It's cute that Instagram will remove emoji's from poor little Taylor Swift's account but is cool with the n-word and f*ggot being used to harass the families of victims of violence or the actually persecuted. Priorities are definitely in order. I agree but money still talks louder for some of these platforms. |
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