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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Apr 22, 2014 9:45:36 GMT -5
Pharrell where were you before last year??!but just when you became 40 you started f**king the charts.GL then BL then Happy and now Sing! What are you doing Pharrell???? I can't believe it... How did Pharrell not get a featuring credit here? I'm surprised he passed it up. Must've been paid a lot of dough to give sole credit to ES, even though they share writing and, obviously, PW produced. |
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 22, 2014 9:45:39 GMT -5
From a public perspective and a commercial standpoint, he vanished after 8 years of chart ubiquity. It is very rare in the history of recorded music to come back so hard after that. The majority of his current success has a retro feel to it (Marvin for Blurred Lines, Chic for Get Lucky, Mayfield for Happy); Did any of his 2000s work have those elements? They always felt fairly 'of the moment' to me. by Mary J Blige, Bridges and Let's Stay Together by Cee-Lo and My Life by Robin Thicke from the Despicable Me Soundtrack all had throwback elements. The whole retro revival phase didn't start until 2012 for him tho. And let's not forget the mini 60's revival from Amy Winehouse and Duffy many years back. |
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Apr 22, 2014 9:47:58 GMT -5
Til The Morning by Mary J Blige, Bridges and Let's Stay Together by Cee-Lo and My Life by Robin Thicke from the Despicable Me Soundtrack all had throwback elements. The whole retro revival phase didn't start until 2012 for him tho. And let's not forget the mini 60's revival from Amy Winehouse and Duffy many years back. That had nothing to do with Pharrell. They were asking about his production style specifically. |
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 22, 2014 9:49:43 GMT -5
I thought you meant in general though.
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Post by jebsib on Apr 22, 2014 10:21:18 GMT -5
You know, that's interesting. Up until now I thought that last year's retro trend (Treasure, BL, GL, etc) started and was inspired by Suit & Tie, (or at the very outset Ceelo's "F You" from 2011, but maybe it does date back to the Duffy / Amy Winehouse era.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Apr 22, 2014 10:22:57 GMT -5
I thought you meant in general though. They were just asking specific to him. Producers like Salaam Remi, Mark Ronson, Jack Splash, and others were doing it way before him and to a more severe degree. |
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 22, 2014 11:45:28 GMT -5
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 22, 2014 11:47:56 GMT -5
Very impressed at Lana's streams overall this week.  At LOL at the Cranberries' "Zombie" video top ten in VEVO Poland.  |
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 22, 2014 11:48:45 GMT -5
F*** You, Get Lucky and Happy demonstrate that more simple and catchy the song is, the bigger is the success. Those hits are nothing but retro in terms of pop music. But it's also a bit polarzing: an artist can get a huge hit with that kind of song but also fail miserably. It's a bit of a gamble I think. I'd say Suit and Tie would have never been a hit if it was sung by Trey Songz.
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Post by wavey. on Apr 22, 2014 12:14:27 GMT -5
Yes at the lyric video going Top 10 in streams.
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Post by Soulsista on Apr 22, 2014 12:44:31 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:
May 5, 1979
01 02 Reunited - Peaches & Herb (1st of 4 weeks at #1)
02 01 Heart Of Glass - Blondie
03 04 Music Box Dancer - Frank Mills
04 03 Knock On Wood - Amii Stewart
05 06 Stumblin' In - Suzi Quatro & Chris Norman
06 10 In The Navy - The Village People
07 08 I Want Your Love - Chic
08 09 Goodnight Tonight - Wings
09 12 Take Me Home - Cher
10 11 He's The Greatest Dancer - Sister Sledge
May 5, 1984
01 01 Against All Odds (Take a Look At Me Now) - Phil Collins (3rd and final week at #1)
02 02 Hello - Lionel Richie
03 04 Hold Me Now - The Thompson Twins
04 03 Footloose - Kenny Loggins
05 06 Love Somebody - Rick Springfield
06 10 To All The Girls I've Loved Before - Julio Iglesias & Willie Nelson
07 07 You Might Think - The Cars
08 08 They Don't Know - Tracey Ullman
09 12 Let's Hear It For The Boy - Deniece Williams
10 05 Miss Me Blind - Culture Club
May 6, 1989
01 01 Like a Prayer - Madonna (3rd and final week at #1)
02 02 I'll Be There For You - Bon Jovi
03 08 Real Love - Jody Watley
04 03 Funky Cold Medina - Tone-Loc
05 10 Forever Your Girl - Paula Abdul
06 07 Second Chance - 38 Special
07 09 After All - Peter Cetera & Cher
08 15 Soldier Of Love - Donny Osmond
09 11 Room To Move - Animotion
10 04 She Drives Me Crazy - Fine Young Cannibals
April 30, 1994
01 01 Bump N' Grind - R. Kelly (4th and final week at #1)
02 02 The Sign - Ace Of Base
03 06 The Most Beautiful Girl In The World - Prince
04 03 Without You / Never Forget You - Mariah Carey
05 04 Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm - Crash Test Dummies
06 07 The Power Of Love - Celine Dion
07 05 So Much In Love - All-4-One
08 10 Now And Forever - Richard Marx
09 13 Return To Innocence - Enigma
10 11 Loser - Beck
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Post by Rocky on Apr 22, 2014 13:08:53 GMT -5
At LOL at the Cranberries' "Zombie" video top ten in VEVO Poland. It's better than most of the current music, so I'm not even mad. Slay The Cranberries! :) |
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Post by Kris on Apr 22, 2014 13:14:21 GMT -5
16. AVICII – Wake Me Up: 67.236 (+ 0.510)
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Post by velaxti on Apr 22, 2014 14:05:20 GMT -5
You know, that's interesting. Up until now I thought that last year's retro trend (Treasure, BL, GL, etc) started and was inspired by Suit & Tie, (or at the very outset Ceelo's "F You" from 2011, but maybe it does date back to the Duffy / Amy Winehouse era. After Amy Winehouse's success we had lots of other female British soul singers get promoted heavily early 2008 (most notably Estelle, Adele and Duffy), all of who are quite down Pharrell's street musically. But that trend died down very quickly really, so I don't think it's connected to the retro trend we had in 2013-now, even if it's similar musically. In 2009 there were some retro-ish songs (Lady Gaga and Black Eyed Peas's music albums were both heavily influenced by the electronic dance music of past decades, so much that some of their songs directly ripped off older songs), but that was a different kind, so I don't think it was related to the Amy Winehouse stuff, and it was definitely not the kind that Pharrell does. I remember a Pharrell interview from early last year (I think it was around the time Get Lucky got released), and he said some quite interesting things about why he felt that was the right time to start working more in the music industry again (and this was before he had all his hits, so his feelings were clearly correct). Also, the songs he did do during his "break" were never going to be chosen as singles, by major artists. For example, he did a song on Usher's 2012 album called Twisted (which is extremely catchy and actually sounds very similar to Blurred Lines). But back in those days people like Usher would usually only release dance-pop songs as singles. Pharrell just didn't stand a chance at getting a hit when most major artists weren't even considering non-dance songs as singles. It took Macklemore, Justin Timberlake, etc. before the music industry became more "Pharrell friendly" imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 15:02:36 GMT -5
This discussion makes me wonder: would Treasure have been released as a single if not for Get Lucky?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 15:46:28 GMT -5
Top 10 flashbacks for this week
1 year ago (5/4/2013)
1 1 Just Give Me A Reason - P!nk feat. Nate Ruess (2nd week of 3 @ #1)
2 5 Can't Hold Us - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis feat. Ray Dalton
3 2 Thrift Shop - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis feat. Wanz
4 3 When I Was Your Man - Bruno Mars
5 12 Gentleman - Psy
6 4 Stay - Rihanna feat. Mikky Ekko
7 7 Mirrors - Justin Timberlake
8 6 Suit & Tie - Justin Timberlake feat. Jay-Z
9 8 Feel This Moment - Pitbull feat. Christina Aguilera
10 9 Started From The Bottom - Drake
5 years ago (5/2/2009)
1 1 Boom Boom Pow - Black Eyed Peas (3rd week of 12 @ #1)
2 2 Poker Face - Lady Gaga
3 3 Right Round - Flo Rida (feat. Ke$ha)
4 8 The Climb - Miley Cyrus
5 4 Kiss Me Thru The Phone - Soulja Boy feat. Sammie
6 7 Day N Nite - Kid Cudi
7 5 Blame It - Jamie Foxx feat. T-Pain
8 6 Dead And Gone - T.I. feat. Justin Timberlake
9 - We Made You - Eminem
10 9 You Found Me - Fray
10 years ago (5/1/2004)
1 1 Yeah - Usher feat. Ludacris & Lil Jon (10th week of 12 @ #1)
2 2 I Don't Wanna Know - Mario Winans feat. P Diddy & Enya
3 4 Burn - Usher
4 3 Tipsy - J-Kwon
5 6 Naughty Girl - Beyonce
6 5 This Love - Maroon 5
7 8 If I Ain't Got You - Alicia Keys
8 10 My Band - D12
9 11 All Falls Down - Kanye West feat. Syleena Johnson
10 9 Dirt Off Your Shoulder - Jay-Z
15 years ago (5/1/1999)
1 1 No Scrubs - TLC (4th and final week @ #1)
2 5 Kiss Me - Sixpence None The Richer
3 2 Believe - Cher
4 3 Every Morning - Sugar Ray
5 4 What's It Gonna Be? - Busta Rhymes feat. Janet Jackson
6 6 Heartbreak Hotel - Whitney Houston feat. Faith Evans & Kelly Price
7 8 Angel Of Mine - Monica
8 32 Livin' La Vida Loca - Ricky Martin
9 10 Slide - Goo Goo Dolls
10 17 Please Remember Me - Tim McGraw
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Post by Kris on Apr 22, 2014 16:00:53 GMT -5
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Post by jebsib on Apr 22, 2014 16:06:45 GMT -5
towerofshowers, the decision to release a song like "Treasure" had everything to do with the one two three punch of the "Get Lucky / Suit & Tie and Blurred Lines" retro fad of last summer. It extended beyond that, too - Chris Brown's "Fine China" and Justin's "Take Back the Night" were also deeply influenced by VERY early 80s r&b. (I have to believe that the neo-disco vibe of Katy Perry's "Birthday' - completely missing from any "Teenage Dream" single - was created during that influential period last Summer.) Sean Ross - Billboard's resident Radio Trends expert has a great new article about all of this at: www.billboard.com/biz/articles/6052269/moving-ahead-or-going-backwards |
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Post by felipe on Apr 22, 2014 17:18:24 GMT -5
I know some people had done the retro vibe before, but I do think Suit & Tie was the turning point and the moment when many mainstream acts began following the trend.
That's funny, because to me Sexyback was also the turning point for the "electronic" trend that took over pop for a few years, and everybody started doing it after JT (BEF, Rihanna, you name it). I'm not saying he was the first to do any of these, but I do believe he kind of set the trends.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 22, 2014 17:25:58 GMT -5
I also forgot that one certain pop star did the retro trend even 40-50 years earlier than the others: .jpg) Legend X, ha impact.  |
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15. PARAMORE – Ain’t It Fun: 70.121 (+ 2.173) First 2mil+ update! Looks like this will definitely go top 10 in airplay and on the Hot 100. Hope it can manage top 5 on both too! tbh, I'm quite surprised it's doing so well, saying SIY only peaked at #26 or #24 on the hot 100. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 0:52:19 GMT -5
Top ten prediction for 5/3/2014: 1. Happy (less than 10% lead this week! Definitely would've fallen off the #1 spot this week if it didn't have that spike in streaming) 2. All of Me 3. Talk Dirty (finally, some movement in the top 7! (I hope!!!)) 4. Dark Horse 5. Let It Go 6. Turn Down for What 7. Pompeii 8. Loyal 9. Not a Bad Thing 10. Team Goodbye CS, you were fun while you lasted :( (Although my calculations showed that CS was really close to Team, so maybe if it got more streaming than I thought or Team gets less then it will hold on for a 26th week ) |
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Post by Duca on Apr 23, 2014 5:54:48 GMT -5
1. PHARRELL WILLIAMS – Happy: 268.988 (-0.994)
2. JOHN LEGEND – All Of Me: 265.299 (-0.153)
3. KATY PERRY – Dark Horse: 204.648 (-0.335)
4. JASON DERULO – Talk Dirty f/2 Chainz: 168.710 (-0.774)
5. LORDE – Team: 133.650 (-2.414)
6. BASTILLE – Pompeii: 129.257 (-0.182)
7. JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE – Not A Bad Thing: 111.990 (+2.513)
8. AMERICAN AUTHORS – Best Day Of My Life: 109.770 (+0.441)
9. ONEREPUBLIC – Counting Stars: 108.141 (-0.631)
10. ONE DIRECTION – Story Of My Life: 77.681 (+0.267)
11. DEMI LOVATO – Neon Lights: 76.787 (+0.926)
12. ELLIE GOULDING – Burn: 74.945 (-0.040)
13. PARAMORE – Ain’t It Fun: 71.826 (+1.705) ▲
14. BRANTLEY GILBERT – Bottoms Up: 71.171 (+0.426)
15. JERROD NIEMANN – Drink To That All Night: 70.583 (-1.362) ▼
16. CHRIS BROWN – Loyal f/Lil’ Wayne: 67.567 (+0.710) ▲
17. AVICII – Wake Me Up: 67.402 (+0.166) ▼
18. AVICII – Hey Brother: 66.586 (-0.032)
19. ERIC CHURCH – Give Me Back My Hometown: 65.616 (+0.696)
20. IMAGINE DRAGONS – Demons: 64.230 (-0.629)
KID INK – Show Me f/Chris Brown: 63.925 (-0.499)
ED SHEERAN – Sing: 63.851 (+3.325)
DJ SNAKE & LIL JON – Turn Down For What: 62.860 (+1.805)
FLORIDA – GEORGIA LINE – This Is How We Roll f/L. Bryan: 61.945 (+0.893)
RASCAL FLATTS – Rewind: 61.123 (+0.203)
TREY SONGZ – Na Na: 56.099 (+0.212)
JHENE AIKO – The Worst: 55.858 (-0.027)
BEYONCE – Partition: 55.685 (+0.230)
MIRANDA LAMBERT – Automatic: 53.892 (+0.290)
LUKE BRYAN – Play It Again: 52.825 (+0.523)
MARTIN GARRIX – Animals: 52.648 (-0.959)
NAUGHTY BOY – La La La f/Sam Smith: 48.913 (+0.305)
NEON TREES – Sleeping With A Friend: 43.258 (-0.043)
IGGY AZALEA – Fancy: 42.472 (+1.086)
PITBULL – Wild Wild Love f/GRL: 40.537 (+0.233)
TIESTO – Red Lights: 38.575 (+0.659)
CALVIN HARRIS – Summer: 34.382 (+0.256)
PHILLIP PHILLIPS – Raging Fire: 27.070 (+0.424)
CHRISTINA PERRI – Human: 24.111 (-0.129)
AUSTIN MAHONE – Mmm Yeah f/Pitbull: 22.436 (-0.186)
KATY PERRY – Birthday: 19.750 (+2.182)
5 SECONDS OF SUMMER – She Looks So Perfect: 19.083 (+0.591)
IDINA MENZEL – Let It Go: 17.971 (+0.090)
BLACK KEYS – Fever: 16.458 (+0.017)
DISCLOSURE – Latch f/Sam Smith: 15.220 (+0.226)
COLDPLAY – Magic: 12.873 (+0.025)
BASTILLE – Bad Blood: 12.592 (+0.010)
LADY GAGA – G.U.Y.: 8.562 (+0.271)
SAM SMITH – Stay With Me: 7.415 (+0.290)
ONEREPUBLIC – Love Runs Out: 4.657 (+0.546)
LORDE – Tennis Court: 2.172
ONE DIRECTION – You & I: 2.037
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Post by Kris on Apr 23, 2014 6:04:18 GMT -5
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 23, 2014 6:09:50 GMT -5
This discussion makes me wonder: would Treasure have been released as a single if not for Get Lucky? Treasure is one of the two Bruno Mars songs that I like. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 23, 2014 6:12:35 GMT -5
Top ten prediction for 5/3/2014: 1. Happy (less than 10% lead this week! Definitely would've fallen off the #1 spot this week if it didn't have that spike in streaming) 2. All of Me 3. Talk Dirty (finally, some movement in the top 7! (I hope!!!)) 4. Dark Horse 5. Let It Go 6. Turn Down for What 7. Pompeii 8. Loyal 9. Not a Bad Thing 10. Team Goodbye CS, you were fun while you lasted :( (Although my calculations showed that CS was really close to Team, so maybe if it got more streaming than I thought or Team gets less then it will hold on for a 26th week ) You think Happy is higher up on the charts than it otherwise would be because of streaming from several weeks ago? I think with the airplay going down people are going to find the song to listen to and that is what is holding up the streaming. Even All Of Me is losing in audience as of today... If it gets to #1 it will back into #1. The problem is the sales lead is so HUGE. While All Of Me has just barely caught up to airplay and is only leading by a bit in streaming...The sales gap is such that Happy will still be #1 overall. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 23, 2014 7:31:20 GMT -5
And let's not forget the retro/jazzy treasure from, what, 100 years ago, that is I'm Breathless. :'(
I hadn't realized "Let It Go" was that (relatively) high in airplay. If Hot 100 Airplay was still 75 positions, it actually may have cracked it.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Apr 23, 2014 7:39:25 GMT -5
'Loyal' is doing amazing on VEVO :o
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Apr 23, 2014 8:33:18 GMT -5
This discussion makes me wonder: would Treasure have been released as a single if not for Get Lucky? Wait... Wasn't Treasure a "single"?? It was the 2nd single off of Unorthodox Jukebox. |
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 23, 2014 8:36:03 GMT -5
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