Lowell Plaza Mafia (Game Over)

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I'm not voting for anyone until I get Az and popstop's reports.

[Green Baron]

The question is, can we afford a mislynch at this point?

[Green Baron]

Recap Roles:
popstop - Town Cop
drag27 - Town Tracker
Az - Town Bus Driver
Laheyonce - Doctor
Max - Vanilla
Green Baron - Vanilla
WotUNeed - Town Jack of All Trades

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Jul 28, 2014 11:28:57 GMT -5 Green Baron said:

The question is, can we afford a mislynch at this point?

I think only one since a mafia member was killed last night but lets not. I want all the reports laid out and then some discussion and we come to a consensus. Being hasty now is a foolish idea.

[Green Baron]

Recap Roles:


CONFIRMED TOWN
popstop - Town Cop

drag27 - Town Tracker

Az - Town Bus Driver



Green Baron - Vanilla


LEANING TOWN
Laheyonce - Doctor


LEANING MAFIA
Max - Vanilla


INDIE?
WotUNeed - Town Jack of All Trades

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Wait lemme dig up through Coco and Surfboardt's posts since we have 2 more confirmed mafia members.

[Green Baron]

Well, Coco finger-pointing me the whole game makes a lot more sense now.

[Az Paynter]

Jul 28, 2014 10:34:48 GMT -5 Lahey's Lucky Star said:

Wait how can mafia commit suicide? I'm so confused...

Damn it I thought I blocked a mafia kill by protecting Drag again but now idk

@ scum being the most loved people on Pulse

Because I switched Popstop and Surfboardt.

[Az Paynter]

In other words Surf tried to kill Pops and I intervened. :kii:

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SLAY Az!

[Green Baron]

So pops was targeted last night...

[Az Paynter]

Well actually it doesn't matter which Mafia sent the kill. Point is they tried to kill Popstop but I redirected it onto someone I thought was Mafia (and I was right - Surf really screwed up claiming a second Town Watcher)

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Jul 19, 2014 20:13:45 GMT -5 @spiritanimal said:

I had a f**king great day first of all and now I just want a drink, but before I do that I just want to make a some BRIEF comments in re what i read since I left off last, the LCBO closes at 10 gotta stock up!!!. There are too many players, so in my head I'm looking at a few who set of my alarms. In a game like this what is there 6 mafia? 2 indie? roughly? I think i have a bit of a disadvantage because I have no idea who plays the game which way so i'm going of even less, nothing firm but just throwing out ideas. I got a sense of deception for example Cynthia based on how well I know her and talk to her right of the bat. Same reason why i have been watching what Kunt and Drag say, since I talk to them the most too. Now one of them hasn't given me any suspicions, but one has. Get to him later. My only question is how detrimental compared to mafia are independents? obviously they are not helpful but do they have power roles? are they to be targeted less than or more so, still not sure. I'm sensing no direct alliance yet between anyone and that is what I'm trying to find, who is voting same way or leading the same suspicions. So far none

- I'm going to remove my vote of Green Baron and let him play for a bit, I think people grasp things at different speeds and him being slightly slow-ish is not a reflection of being scum. I glanced through his recent posts outside of this thread. He is always giving short, informal, quick comments, so that's not THE SIGN of deception thats kinda just him.

- B4L now that was a appearance wasn't it? I would find it very scummy, but i also know b4L was pushed into playing and in my head view that as someone not paying attention and not caring deeply, I get irresponsible town from her. The only reason leaning town instead of mafia is that it would be too obvious to play the game as mafia and also be the scummiest acting so far.

Drag- I have no idea what he is doing but there does seem something slightly odd in how he is presenting himself, yet I feel like he is engaged enough and i would not want to  jump the gun in targeting someone useful in the game.

basically I'm going to sit back and watch and read for a bit, there is too many players still unknown and I don't know if its something they talked about as game play where they sit back while town points fingers at each other, I still don't know what to think of the similar play so far of Codex, Lahey, Rocky, Zebra, Nick64

Right now my biggest curiosity is AZ, during the joking parts of the game he wa very involved, but once the game turned has provided very little commentary. I would like to find out more from him in how views the players, what is going on so far (outside of the killing, has he said anything?)

Vote : AZ

only because he seems like on I can't place in a spot yet.

This makes me believe Lahey's claim. Coco could have toyed with Green Baron to make it appear that she was trying to target a potential scum member though I don't she would ever think she'd get caught since her game was pretty on point.

I am most confident with a Max lynch at the moment.

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Az Paynter how do you feel about Laheyonce right now?

Who is your prime suspect for mafia? Do you think that WotUNeed is the indie?

[Green Baron]

I think Wot is the indie and Max is leaning Mafia for me.

The problem is, I'm not sure if the 4 Town: 2 Mafia: 1 Indie ratio is correct though.

[Az Paynter]

Well Drag, there's 7 of us - and we need only 4 to lynch, so you/me/Pops/Lahey would be all we'd need to make a lynch.

'Cause TBH the only ones I'm really questioning at this point are the two claimed Vanilla townies and Wot - but Wot isn't high on my list of priorities, 'cause even if he is Indie and was the one behind the burnings, he can only get one of us at a time so we lynch one Mafia and one of us dies, then there's still enough Town left over to make a decisive lynch.

[Az Paynter]

O wait I'm forgetting the NK. Still, we're 3 Mafia down, so I think there's only 1 more Mafia at most, plus the Indie.

[Green Baron]

Well, what about Popstop's cop report?

[Az Paynter]

IDK if that's gonna be of much help, I thought he was gonna cop Surf, which if he did that doesn't help 'cause I killed him.

[Green Baron]

I have my eye on Max tbh

[Green Baron]

He was the last to claim vanilla, and I claimed it after Coco who turned out to be scum, so I feel like he's taking the easy way out.

[Az Paynter]

I'd probs vote Max too, yeah - I believe Pops/Lahey's action claims 'cause they match up, and Pops and I are confirmed Town so, it would only take the four of us to make a lynch. I want to hear from Popstop himself what he did though, just to confirm he copped Surf as was the plan mentioned D4.

[Az Paynter]

Jul 28, 2014 11:22:39 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jul 28, 2014 10:53:15 GMT -5 Green Baron said:

4 towns, 2 mafia and 1 indie I guess.

We have 3 confirmed and evidenced town left don't we?

Jul 28, 2014 10:53:31 GMT -5 @drag27 said:

Recap Roles:
popstop - Town Cop
drag27 - Town Tracker
Az - Town Bus Driver
Laheyonce - Doctor
Max - Vanilla
Green Baron - Vanilla
WotUNeed - Town Jack of All Trades

Going by the suggestion that there are 4 town, I'm leaning pop, drag, and possibly Lahey, in addition to myself obviously. But if there are 5 town (in which there is one mafia and one indie) does Az have evidence with his claim?

That leaves Green and Wot. I think Wot is indie and Green is the remaining mafia scum.

I mean this Max post seems weird to me. In his pick of four obv!Town players, why was I not one of them when it's been CONFIRMED I am Town? Pops copped me D1 as Town, and with Pops' 100% success rate identifying scum on D2 and D3 (and possibly D4) the logical conclusion is Az = Town. Why is Max questioning my Town-ness, especially after I confirmed I saved Pops/redirected onto Surf? I would not redirect a kill onto my own team mate.

[Green Baron]

Vote: Max

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Scum Teas Vote Count
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Max: 1 (Green Baron)

Not voting: Drag, WotUNeed, Az, popstop, Lahey, Max

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Jul 28, 2014 13:04:37 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Jul 28, 2014 11:22:39 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

We have 3 confirmed and evidenced town left don't we?

Going by the suggestion that there are 4 town, I'm leaning pop, drag, and possibly Lahey, in addition to myself obviously. But if there are 5 town (in which there is one mafia and one indie) does Az have evidence with his claim?

That leaves Green and Wot. I think Wot is indie and Green is the remaining mafia scum.

I mean this Max post seems weird to me. In his pick of four obv!Town players, why was I not one of them when it's been CONFIRMED I am Town? Pops copped me D1 as Town, and with Pops' 100% success rate identifying scum on D2 and D3 (and possibly D4) the logical conclusion is Az = Town. Why is Max questioning my Town-ness, especially after I confirmed I saved Pops/redirected onto Surf? I would not redirect a kill onto my own team mate.

This is a good point. I'm very tempted to vote for Max but I'd rather get popstop's thoughts first.

[surfy]

I'm dead have fun bitchez!!!

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Jul 19, 2014 0:03:39 GMT -5 surfy said:

Alright, what I've observed so far...

popstop - You have the most insightful posts out of all the players right now, so I have a really strong feeling that you're town

Green Baron - I haven't seen you contributing anything (but neither did I the first time I played) But I feel like you could try a little harder... Idk Leaning towards: Indie/Mafia, but not really enough yet to go off of...

Zebra - Understandably not adding much, but it's not like he's been completely absent from the game... Idk about you either, but I feel you're town for now

Kunt - He's Kunt Don't really know what to say about him! He's playing by his own rules. Feeling: slight leaning towards Indie

Coco - Seems to be adding conversation, insightful posts!!! Feeling: Town

B4L: Absent What else is new?

Lahey - Don't really remember a lot of your posts tbh, havent really added much to the game (yet) Feeling: Inconclusive (but for now gonna say Town/Indie)

WotUNeed: Idk, but you filled Josh's position, which leads me to believe you have some sort of important role. Feeling: Indie/Mafia (or maybe Town Power role)

Drag: Idk about you... you're not neccessarily giving me scum vibes, but the same goes for town... maybe indie?

Nick: I know you're online a lot... so why aren't you posting a lot in here? Feeling: Mafia/Indie

Will check out list and post more later! :)

Jul 20, 2014 0:59:22 GMT -5 surfy said:

Here it is: *fingers crossed I didn't screw up*

Green Baron: Literally all RVS, RT, and questions (that didn't progress the game, not one to a specific player!) Bad Townie?

Jul 17, 2014 15:44:34 GMT -5 Green Baron said:

I don't visit this thread, I told you.

First of all... just wtf at this???

Jul 17, 2014 15:44:53 GMT -5 Green Baron said:

All I do is read the votes, skip through the big text and focus only on the bold parts.

Hopefully you've changed your stance on this!

Jul 17, 2014 20:16:50 GMT -5 Green Baron said:

I voted Cynthia because she had the most votes back then, lol

That shouldn't be a reason to vote... but you are new, so I'll give you a pass here.

Jul 19, 2014 19:25:46 GMT -5 Green Baron said:

What sucks the most is that I can't get good reads on anybody.

Just wondering, do you have any reads on anyone now?

Jul 19, 2014 19:37:17 GMT -5 Green Baron said:

Zebra has been mostly silent today... hmmm

Many people have been inactive, so why are you specifically calling out Zebra? (And you of all people commenting about inactivity/lack of input )

Zebra: Also nothing... will wait till you post your analysis.  Slightly Scum (check WotUNeed's points!)

Jul 15, 2014 14:19:43 GMT -5 Zeebz said:

Omg and for pulling an Invince "2 On" heart face with that Oprah gif.

Seriously, just got this!!!

Az: Not necessarily a lot to go off of, but from the posts I see, it really shows that Az is paying attention, and is trying to piece together the twisted puzzle that is Mafia. He has brought up some great points so far! Most Likely Town

Jul 15, 2014 11:22:53 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

As for the 'did a newbie did it' thing, it could well be a clueless newbie. It definitely reads like that - but WIFOM a veteran player could also have done it because they know we're gonna be chasing after newbies.

I still think that this is a great point! But then again, there's not really much we can do to prove it, so moving on...

Jul 19, 2014 1:35:37 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

And now there's a message about a redirector? How would someone even have learned that to post a note about it? 'Cause like, learning there's some kind of redirector and sending an anonymous message about it are two separate actions, how did they both happen at the same time?

Wow! Didn't even notice this! But now I'm very curious! Anyone have an idea?

B4L: Literally nothing but RT, RVS, and throwing shade at Drag with no proof Leaning to Mafia or Indie

Jul 19, 2014 1:19:52 GMT -5 Hefty Hanna said:

Oops well I think it's you that's scum, awkward! I'm getting that ~vibe.

Please explain why/offer proof:

Jul 19, 2014 1:26:06 GMT -5 Hefty Hanna said:

Just a hunch! I feel like you're hiding something and you were pretty quick to draw attention to me due to the suspicions I had. I'm on to you, Dragula.

Oh! Great reason! (Sarcastic btw...) 

Jul 19, 2014 9:06:31 GMT -5 Hefty Hanna said:

I think it's extremely rude and passive aggressive of you to refer to me in the third person and discuss how my team should have went over the rules with me. I went over them. This is my first time. Chill the f**k out. I don't really have the time to participate in dozens of these sort of games, so I clearly wouldn't know or be familiarized with them as much as you are.

The shade master. The irony.

You have to refer to people in the 3rd person, or otherwise we'd have no idea who the hell you're talking about And rules are rules, it's not that hard to remember, but that's besides the point... 

Jul 19, 2014 9:17:26 GMT -5 Hefty Hanna said:

I don't have a problem with you thinking what my role is, I have a problem with you being inconsiderate and rude.

How was he being inconsiderate and rude? By stating his opinion as to where you fit in this game? If you have a problem with that, then get prepared for more f**king "rude" comments

Jul 19, 2014 13:38:47 GMT -5 Hefty Hanna said:

I get that but...there was attempted "shade" there. It doesn't matter. I'm over it.

There was no attempted "shade" there... he just said what he thought about your role. Which is the entire point of this game...

Devin/WotUNeed: Really strong analyses and excellent points Almost Certainly Town

Jul 19, 2014 18:16:02 GMT -5 WotUNeed said:

Zebra - After a discussion of whether we're still in RVS, he made this post, which is hella waffling. He raised two "major points to note" and then basically wrote them both off as not being notable / not anything from which we can draw conclusions. Current vote on Baron is not invalid, but kinda lazy. "There are others contributing far less" isn't exactly a self-defense that inspires confidence, but I don't consider this kind of comment an alignment tell, just a bit lol-worthy. Basically null but leaning slightly scummy.

Surfboardt - For most of his relevant posts, I disagree with his conclusions but give him weak town cred for his thought processes. This post of reads is not the most helpful in that it's mainly all feelings without evidence from the game. I gave him an opportunity to start a crapwagon on Kunt by asking for clarification of his non-Town read, but he didn't bite. I still can't quite grasp his distinction between Nick and Lahey to the point of that point (Lahey doesn't post anything useful = town, Nick doesn't post anything at all = scum), but given that Lahey's drawn minimal pressure, it wouldn't serve any purposes as a scumbuddy to start seeding a defense here, so I'm almost willing to give him some cred as a confused townie. In counter, his response to Kunt where he apologies for his read and basically backpedals the entire post makes him look like confused scum. So in conclusion, I'm pretty sure he's confused, and I am too. Downgrade from weak town to null read.

popstop - I'm reluctant to say this because I've gotten this wrong at least temporarily in (I believe) two previous games together, but I've got my strongest town read here right now. His answers to my questions about his Az and Baron reads show a degree of thought development that demonstrate him to be, if nothing else, invested, that contrasts well with, for example, Surf's willingness to retreat when questioned as described in my comments on him.

Zebra's point: *Pretend I added this to Zebra section* A good point... and that was definitely an awful argument

My analysis: Definitely was an awful analysis (which is why I'm doing this one, with actual posts and everything!!!) The reason I didn't bite was because I felt like I didn't have evidence to support that (yet another reason I'm doing this!) The difference was Lahey was actually showing activity (useful or not) and Nick was online often, but not doing anything here (which to me looked suspicious, but I have changed my views and will discuss in their own respective post sections!) Another reason was that Nick is usually really involved in this, but now all the sudden not... (but he has posted since this so...) But yes, I was definitely confused (especially given the circumstances I was under while I was in the process of writing it!)

Popstop's point: About the comment on me, I will, from now on, will try my hardest to assert my opinions, but with that analysis, I just can't defend it...

And the only reason I ever thought of you as a power role was because of Devin leaving the game (giving me the impression that he had a role that he felt he couldn't handle!)

Coco: Seems to be starting a lot of conversation, and seems to be carrying the thread. Pretty good gameplay, but no points so far for Coco :'( Town

Max: Seems to be trying, but I haven't really seen him add *much* (not saying he hasn't done anything people, don't twist my words!) There is one thing that stands out though (but not evidence against him.) Leaning towards Town

Jul 17, 2014 0:21:39 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

So here are some thoughts before I head to bed in a little bit (after I check the big brother game thread though )


Green Baron
-HOWEVER, he's posted a lot around the board in the last few days and only a few times in here, his last asking if this game was bastard. This is his first time playing Mafia on Pulse? How experienced is he with the game mafia? If he's experienced enough to know that mafia can be 'bastard' and know what it means in this context, he should be experienced enough to contribute more than he is. So his inactivity to me, based on that, makes him highly questionable in my mind.

The “there’s nothing to talk about” thing that has been asked several times by several people, while it is a legitimate thought on day 1, I think is an increasingly used cop-out for lazy players or people trying to avoid discussion. Krhazy was killed, therefore there is something to talk about simply with the asking of questions.

Surfboardt
-Surfboardt seems to be playing this game quite well, or at least he seems to have a good grasp on it. But he almost seems too comfortable or too safe to me. Obviously this isn’t enough for me to go on and actually pin a vote down on him for it but I’ve got my eye on you, kind sir.

Green Baron's points: I didn't notice this either!!! (This is why I like reading other's analyses) But he doesn't know what an Independent is, yet he knows what a bastard game is (which I don't Someone explain that to me!)

And I also asked what was there to talk about, but I was seriously asking for suggestions, if anyone wanted to ask me what I thought, I would've done it! But at that point in the game, I really felt like we didn't learn anything based off of the day-kill (And I still feel that way!)

My analysis: What do you mean by too safe? How is that bad? 

Popstop: Seems to be starting conversations, backing up his claims, and really paying attention to this game! Most likely Town

Jul 16, 2014 14:04:13 GMT -5 popstop said:

Why are you asking that anyhow?

Did he ever answer this? I really want to know the answer to this!

Jul 16, 2014 23:35:48 GMT -5 popstop said:

ISOs
Surfboardt - Completely null read, and difficult to read at that. Thinking that the kill was a townie has me side-eying him tho.

Why though? It wasn't that far-fetched, as we can see from Cynthia being a over-eager day vigilante!

Drag: He doesn't seem to be scum, he's paying attention to the game, and he's explaining his points, so far so good! The only post that really stands out to me is the Green Baron vote for putting Cynthia at L-4... He also seems to be judging people almost exclusively based on activity! Uncertain/Leaning towards Town

Kunt: I don't know what I was thinking when I said that you were only posting nonsense (I guess I was only thinking of RVS or something... ) But he is a very attentive player that seems to point out just about any and everything scummy that we sort of skipped over. Most likely Town

Jul 15, 2014 11:13:31 GMT -5 @touch said:

I agree with Codex and Drag about Invince being smart enough to make a firefighter for an arsonist in the game, and frankly I'm internally going "huh?" at you suggesting there may not actually be one right no? That's just kinda really weird logic.

That said, the suggestion that the arsonist is the independent is an arsonist isn't that scummy either. I guess a 1-S arsonist is a possibility, but having an arsonist as scum is way overpowered along with a factional kill. (Idk if this makes sense, I'm having a hard time processing this in my head, but for now I'm not eyeing Codex for it.)

The firefighter/arsonist logic that was going on was just an absolute MESS! But that last statement makes sense!

Jul 19, 2014 11:07:57 GMT -5 @touch said:

I agree with you on popstop being town, but what is happening with the rest of this analysis? lol

A few questions: for Zebra, why is his absence "understandable"? Why can't I be mafia if you're inclined to think I'm scum (and how am I playing by my own rules? lol) For WotUNeed, why are you speculating on power roles and outing them?


Ok, what? I've been making comments on the setup and who strikes me as suspicious pretty consistently? To be honest this seems you're either forcing suspicion or just not paying attention.

The analysis was obviously not well thought out... 

I was mainly saying that Zebra's absence made sense to me because of his work schedule. 

I answered the bolded question above! (In your description!)

Also answered the WotUNeed question in his section (my last point)

Jul 19, 2014 19:47:12 GMT -5 @touch said:

Az:

Idk why this didn't stick out to me at first, but does anyone else find it odd that 99% of his posts were RVS until Khrazy's kill, and the one thing he bothered to do was to start a dead-end conversation about the validity of Khrazy's role as "Firefighter" and the possibility that we don't have an Arsonist? That said, he did a very typical "Az" move and carried initial suspicions of Codex over to D2, even if they're reaching a bit. It feels too forced to be scummy, and technically even if the discussion wasn't the best it was an actual discussion that he moved to start. I hope he comes in with his analysis he promised, but for now I'm thinking Town

Surf:

He's not doing a lot, but he seems like he's trying. Potentially overeager, but he's made some really weird statements. It's possible that he's trying to make up for his failed attempt at Vanilla when he was playing Seaside Hotel, but at the same time... Posts reads on select players here. Really misguided and conflicting, and the only thing that strikes me as really scummy about it was his saying I'm not doing anything then apologizing for his opinion (?). I guess he was LOA at the time, but still... why bother with an uniformed analysis. unvote: Surfboardt, because I'm not sure I feel as strongly about it as I did at the time. FoS, I guess. 

If all of what you say makes him sound scummy, then why did you say Town? (You may have answered it in this, but I just don't see the logic here.)

What does LOA mean?

Nick64: Absent for most of the first day, but redeemed himself with his analysis (quite enjoyed the posts to look for sections!) Leaning towards Town

Jul 19, 2014 15:17:55 GMT -5 nick64 said:

8. Surfboardt - Almost all of his posts in here are RVS and saying there’s nothing to talk about. He talked about the set-up a little, threw a bulls**t vote on Devin, said he found everyone suspicious and then found no one suspicious by the end of the day, made a list of everyone reiterating points already made, and called out Kunt of all people for not being helpful. The Kunt thing strikes me as trying to say something different and avoid parroting. He’s not really contributing anything, and the things he does say are questionable. Definitely looking at him.
Posts to look at: set-up talk, unexplained scummy Devin vote, ”analysis”, calls out Kunt

10. Lahey - Has said absolutely nothing. Now usually that’s not a bad thing, but in here, it’s suspicious. Some RT posts and that’s pretty much it. Definitely want him to speak up.
Posts to look at: nothing…

So my biggest suspicions right now are Drag, Zebra and Surf, and I’ve decided to Vote: Surfboardt because he hasn’t had as much heat as the other two and I’d like to hear him speak up more.

Let me explain my vote for Devin then. I felt he had a role that was too big for him, and then he withdrew from the game, which made me feel that this person had a power role, but I was unsure whether it was town/Indie/Mafia though... so I decided to put a vote on him to get him to talk/let him be aware I was suspicious of him/replacement. If that makes sense (it did to me )

at the Lahey comment!!!

But I hope I have cleared things up with this analysis! :)

Codex: Mostly RT, and RVS, but there was a couple of posts talking about Az covering his role... and that just seemed weird Indie/Lurker/Uncertain tbh

Jul 19, 2014 10:23:36 GMT -5 Codex said:

Your own role = arsonist = Independent = scum

It's not a strong vote though, I just don't have better leads yet.

I don't see how this makes sense elaborate please!

Lahey: Teen wolf, teen wolf, useless post talking about the game, but adding nothing... -_- Uncertain

Rocky: RVS, RVS, random points that added nothing, and then still hasn't posted comments... Uncertain


After all of this: Vote: B4L

Please, ask questions if you have any!!! :) Hope I cleared everything up, and hopefully improving on my analysis skills (this took me 2 and a half hours!!!)He

Here are Surfy's 2 main analysis. The thing that caught my eye (look at the bolded read lines) is that the language he used with his description on Coco (confirmed) mafia and Max is very similar.

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bolded red lines*

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 28, 2014 13:04:37 GMT -5 Az Paynter said:

Jul 28, 2014 11:22:39 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

We have 3 confirmed and evidenced town left don't we?

Going by the suggestion that there are 4 town, I'm leaning pop, drag, and possibly Lahey, in addition to myself obviously. But if there are 5 town (in which there is one mafia and one indie) does Az have evidence with his claim?

That leaves Green and Wot. I think Wot is indie and Green is the remaining mafia scum.

I mean this Max post seems weird to me. In his pick of four obv!Town players, why was I not one of them when it's been CONFIRMED I am Town? Pops copped me D1 as Town, and with Pops' 100% success rate identifying scum on D2 and D3 (and possibly D4) the logical conclusion is Az = Town. Why is Max questioning my Town-ness, especially after I confirmed I saved Pops/redirected onto Surf? I would not redirect a kill onto my own team mate.

I'm going by memory. :( on my iPhone :(

I'm waiting for popstop too before I cast a vote though I'm leaning toward Wot. Not sure how or why I'm a bigger target than him at the moment tho...