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Post by countrymusic20 on Oct 12, 2014 16:00:25 GMT -5
This song will have lost its bullet on the Mediabase chart tomorrow. Wonder if it's done?
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Post by McCreerian on Oct 12, 2014 16:03:47 GMT -5
I guess people aren't loving people after all! He should have gone with "Send em on Down the Road" as the single. It pretty much tells the story of where he was the last decade and it would have been a great bridge to his come back. It's also a song pretty much everyone has lived at one time or another. It looks like Mr. Marketing genius really missed the mark by a landslide!
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Post by SoMuchToSay on Oct 12, 2014 16:19:16 GMT -5
For a "Superstar", not making the single available on ITunes cannot help make this song popular. In terms of radio, we really don't know if he still is a "Superstar" in 2014. Garth Brooks during the early 1990s is certainly different than Garth Brooks 2014. We will see how much 'juice' he has in terms of singles and sales from People Loving People and Man Against Machine. I get that they're going for album sales, but it's kind of embarrassing letting a country superstar of his caliber have a flop single just because the song isn't being made available on Vevo and iTunes for fans to share it.
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Post by dajross6 on Oct 13, 2014 1:28:06 GMT -5
I actually applaud Garth for trying something different and not just doing the normal thing. Much like Beyonce dropping a new album without telling anyone, we NEED artists to shake up the status quo. Some things work, and some don't, but please don't blame people for taking the risk and trying.
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Post by zjames on Oct 13, 2014 9:21:58 GMT -5
I actually applaud Garth for trying something different and not just doing the normal thing. Much like Beyonce dropping a new album without telling anyone, we NEED artists to shake up the status quo. Some things work, and some don't, but please don't blame people for taking the risk and trying. There's a difference between the risk taken by Beyonce releasing a surprise album and Garth ignoring iTunes and all current music services. Beyonce's plan would most likely raise excitement about her career, which it did. That was a smart, calculated risk. Garth's risk feels more like ignorance and unwillingness to accept the changing music landscape, and it's not going to help his career at all.
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Post by spencer on Oct 13, 2014 10:26:08 GMT -5
I actually applaud Garth for trying something different and not just doing the normal thing. Much like Beyonce dropping a new album without telling anyone, we NEED artists to shake up the status quo. Some things work, and some don't, but please don't blame people for taking the risk and trying. There's a difference between the risk taken by Beyonce releasing a surprise album and Garth ignoring iTunes and all current music services. Beyonce's plan would most likely raise excitement about her career, which it did. That was a smart, calculated risk. Garth's risk feels more like ignorance and unwillingness to accept the changing music landscape, and it's not going to help his career at all. .........or a case of Hubris.
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 13, 2014 11:43:09 GMT -5
I guess people aren't loving people after all! He should have gone with "Send em on Down the Road" as the single. It pretty much tells the story of where he was the last decade and it would have been a great bridge to his come back. It's also a song pretty much everyone has lived at one time or another. It looks like Mr. Marketing genius really missed the mark by a landslide! He knew they'd play this song to some extent. It was a message he wanted out there. My guess is that he'll send a new single that's less 'polarizing' (and better enunciated) soon.
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Post by renee75 on Oct 13, 2014 12:08:49 GMT -5
I don't see what's polarizing about the "everybody love each other" message. It's older than the hills. Just because people don't do it, that doesn't mean they haven't already heard it a hundred thousand times. :)
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Post by someguy on Oct 13, 2014 22:20:38 GMT -5
This is back in the top 20 as of this week, but it's without a bullet. I hope it can at least make the top 10, but it seems to be really struggling.
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Post by dm2081 on Oct 14, 2014 7:52:04 GMT -5
Would radio be playing this song at all if it wasn't recorded by Garth Brooks? It wouldn't even have charted without Garth's name attached to it, I can guarantee that.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 14, 2014 8:38:23 GMT -5
Would radio be playing this song at all if it wasn't recorded by Garth Brooks? It wouldn't even have charted without Garth's name attached to it, I can guarantee that. Even Chris Gaines would not have touched it.
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 14, 2014 9:32:25 GMT -5
Would radio be playing this song at all if it wasn't recorded by Garth Brooks? If it was released by a-list stars? Sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 12:05:23 GMT -5
I agree with renee75. Nothing polarizing about the message of "People Loving People." This Garth Brooks single just didn't move the needle with too many people, probably somewhat due to its absence on iTunes. Radio programmers aren't going to play a single in 2014 without a figure for individual units sold. Even if Garth would just release his individual singles to Ghost Tunes, radio would have no problem playing his records if the sales were good, but no single sales at all just isn't going to work.
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Post by spinninthehits on Oct 14, 2014 13:29:01 GMT -5
There was so much anticipation for something new from Garth that he probably could have charted a polka version of "Mary had A Little Lamb". To me, (and this is just my personal opinion)"People Loving People" came across preachy and a little corny. Not what most of us expected from a Country Music Icon making a much anticipated return. Yes, Garth is as big a name as we've had in Country Music in a long long time but he's NOT the biggest name in Country Music today. If this single has already peaked (and I believe it has), subsequent singles may not be "Automatic" adds for Radio. . . However, I don't believe this hurts Garth in the least. He will sell out Concerts wherever his Tour lands and he will sell a ton of Albums on his website. He doesn't need chart success for his comeback to be a success.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Oct 14, 2014 22:17:59 GMT -5
That says to me--that radio is only playing the artist, not the song. That may be the case, but country radio has been an artist-driven format that rewards artists with built-in fan investment for years -- a double-edged sword that has admittedly enabled plenty of artists to coast by on mediocre material but has also enabled some artists to take risks with quality songs that don't line up with what mainstream country radio typically plays. All this is to say that for me, whether or not country radio would be playing this song if it weren't Garth singing it is a separate issue from quality or worthiness of play. I agree with renee75. Nothing polarizing about the message of "People Loving People." This Garth Brooks single just didn't move the needle with too many people, probably somewhat due to its absence on iTunes. Radio programmers aren't going to play a single in 2014 without a figure for individual units sold. Even if Garth would just release his individual singles to Ghost Tunes, radio would have no problem playing his records if the sales were good, but no single sales at all just isn't going to work. I'm skeptical that the lack of available single sales numbers is a sticking point for programmers. After all, programmers have their own research -- local callout, M-scores, a variety of national callout sources -- that tell them whether a particular song is connecting with their listeners and/or affecting tune-in/tune-out, independent of sales. As I've done a few times every time the relationship between single sales & airplay is raised, I'll bring up Kacey Musgraves again -- not only did her album outsell all the party fare from non A-listers, "Follow Your Arrow" sold over 500K copies without ever cracking the top-40 at country radio. On the flip side, I don't think that programmers worry too much about singles that aren't pushing sales if those singles are working well on their playlists. That said, I also wouldn't be surprised if "People Loving People" were just running up against programmers' instincts based on its sonics. Although six weeks into its run, it's perhaps more about early research than instinct at this point.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Oct 15, 2014 5:36:29 GMT -5
Just saw the NEW UPDATE for today and things don't look too good for "People Loving People"!!!!
Song goes from 2,695 spins yesterday to 2,607 spins on today's update, that's a drop of 88 spins in one day, which makes his without a bullet now down to a ugly -122 and is down 3 spots today to #24 with Rascal Flatts (also without a bullet) and David Nail and now Carrie Underwood passing him up. Things don't look good for this getting back to #20 on Mediabase. Garth is down from 19.299 to 18.899 in audience today so that's another drop of .400.
If he stays without a bullet this weekend on Mediabase, that is 2 strikes for this and could go recurrent as early as 10/26 from Mediabase.
NOT A GOOD UPDATE TO SAY THE LEAST.
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Post by cardinalr on Oct 15, 2014 6:59:42 GMT -5
According to @broadwayonair on Twitter they are pulling it.
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Post by rbundy1987 on Oct 15, 2014 7:01:52 GMT -5
According to @broadwayonair on Twitter they are pulling it. Broadway @broadwayonair · 21m 21 minutes ago Garth PLP is over?! WHHHHA????
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Post by kml567 on Oct 15, 2014 7:08:19 GMT -5
Huge negative bullet today. It's definitely done. I assume it's getting poor callouts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 8:38:30 GMT -5
Huge negative bullet today. It's definitely done. I assume it's getting poor callouts. The negative bullet would seem to be the result of the label dropping promotion for this one. "People Loving People" is actually in the top 10 at Callout America with less dislike than most songs, including "Leave The Night On", "Somethin' Bad", "Ready Set Roll", "Girl In A Country Song", "Close Your Eyes", "Look At You", "Small Town Throwdown", "Sunshine & Whiskey", etc. And it must be noted that none of those other songs have poor call-out scores either. Suffice it to say that "People Loving People" is testing very well at Callout America. It's much lower down on the Radiofeedback chart but that's a result of higher neutral ratings, not high negatives. And usually the neutral ratings go down the longer a song has been out. PLP probably has a low burn percentage as well since it's such a young song. I'd be curious to see how its M-scores are doing in the markets that have supported it. Like 43dudleyvillas said, I highly doubt that this one's lack of availability on iTunes has hurt it at radio. Radio knows there is a high demand for Garth...I am guessing that most PD's simply aren't 'feeling' this one.
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 15, 2014 10:36:29 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if "Send 'em on Down The Road" was single #2.
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Post by hosssulpizio on Oct 15, 2014 13:32:05 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if "Send 'em on Down The Road" was single #2. You gotta admit that "Send 'em on Down The Road" is a good song.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 15, 2014 16:14:39 GMT -5
There was so much anticipation for something new from Garth that he probably could have charted a polka version of "Mary had A Little Lamb". To me, (and this is just my personal opinion)"People Loving People" came across preachy and a little corny. Not what most of us expected from a Country Music Icon making a much anticipated return. Yes, Garth is as big a name as we've had in Country Music in a long long time but he's NOT the biggest name in Country Music today. If this single has already peaked (and I believe it has), subsequent singles may not be "Automatic" adds for Radio. . . However, I don't believe this hurts Garth in the least. He will sell out Concerts wherever his Tour lands and he will sell a ton of Albums on his website. He doesn't need chart success for his comeback to be a success. You can say that again: www.billboard.com/articles/6281835/garth-brooks-breaks-his-n-american-ticket-sales-record-that-he-set-last-night
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Post by lasvegaskid on Oct 15, 2014 23:16:35 GMT -5
That says to me--that radio is only playing the artist, not the song. How is this new? Prince, Mariah, Whitney, etc had a lot of good material but they also released a lot of garbage that radio shoved down our throats because the artist was considered hot at the time. The same would have happened with this song if it was 1994 instead of 2014.
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Post by rsmatto on Oct 16, 2014 7:14:13 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if "Send 'em on Down The Road" was single #2. You gotta admit that "Send 'em on Down The Road" is a good song. Yes, it is. But I don't know if it'd do any better for Garth than this one did.
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Post by tomk on Oct 16, 2014 12:37:46 GMT -5
Hey guys,
I am 39 years old and this is my favorite Garth Brooks song!
I don't believe that it will be pulled and according to Nielsen BDS today PLP is 13 in Canada and moved up to 20 on the Billboard in the US.
I think because Garth is touring and promoting this single it will soon be in top 5 Canada and top 10 on Billboard.
If you had a chance to view some of the youtube videos from live performances, the fans are into it as well.
Thought I would share that nielsen BDS canada info.
Thanks,
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Post by McCreerian on Oct 16, 2014 13:24:02 GMT -5
Hey guys, I am 39 years old and this is my favorite Garth Brooks song! I don't believe that it will be pulled and according to Nielsen BDS today PLP is 13 in Canada and moved up to 20 on the Billboard in the US. I think because Garth is touring and promoting this single it will soon be in top 5 Canada and top 10 on Billboard. If you had a chance to view some of the youtube videos from live performances, the fans are into it as well. Thought I would share that nielsen BDS canada info. Thanks, If you understand how to interpret dropping songs on the chart you can see that it's done. As of today the bullet is down -128 www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/allaboutcountry/Charts.asp?format=C1R which there is no coming back from. That means it's fallen off the cliff. The Billboard Airplay chart can't be tracked daily but it will soon catch up with Mediabase's drop when it's published Monday night. The Mongrel chart that came out today doesn't reflect radio only. But by next Thursday it will be off the cliff as well when it's published. Glad you like it and Canada likes it, but that doesn't mean the US chart's statistics will suddenly agree with your personal preference. It just works that way. Everyone has a song that dies early that they have loved. Anyone here will gladly explain to you, this song is done. Stats don't lie.
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Post by tomk on Oct 16, 2014 13:42:47 GMT -5
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Post by mep on Oct 16, 2014 14:08:09 GMT -5
On the published Mediabase chart this week, PLP had 19.502 million audience impressions. Today it is down to 18.678 million. Down almost a million a few days in, so yes it is clearly done. Its Billboard peak was 19 in its initial chart week. Even though it moved up to number 20 on Billboard this week, it was unbulleted, and it has been flat ever since that initial first week. It is no longer flat...it is now in freefall mode.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Oct 16, 2014 14:09:27 GMT -5
So you're saying that, at least as country radio is concerned, this is Garth's "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together".
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