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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 10, 2014 2:05:35 GMT -5
allright where did you guys here the track. I put Bush- The Only Way out on youtube and all I get is that loser George Bush. WTF?
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Post by Devin on Sept 10, 2014 7:07:17 GMT -5
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Post by American Idiot on Sept 10, 2014 12:42:06 GMT -5
I don't see how this can't hit the Top 10 on Alternative if Rise Against and Weezer can. This doesn't have the heaviness of "Machinehead" or say "Greedy Fly" for example. More like "Swallowed."
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Post by Lordef†ones on Sept 10, 2014 15:36:21 GMT -5
Not as good as Sound of Winter but still good I can't see this missing top 10 on either format.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 12, 2014 0:52:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the audio link. It's very melodic. I predict big hit on Alt , I'm betting it does even better on Active.
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Post by Green Baron on Sept 13, 2014 9:14:14 GMT -5
WTF...
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Post by bluestar4 on Sept 13, 2014 11:33:19 GMT -5
Well that sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 11:44:41 GMT -5
what? its alt bullet it like 90 something
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Post by Cody on Sept 13, 2014 13:09:02 GMT -5
WTF... Top 50 on Active: 0 44 BUSH The Only Way Out 125 0 125 0.478 You do realize Bush did better on Active in 2001 right? Its not unheard of for this to happen.
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Post by Devin on Sept 13, 2014 13:12:29 GMT -5
WTF... Top 50 on Active: 0 44 BUSH The Only Way Out 125 0 125 0.478 You do realize Bush did better on Active in 2001 right? Its not unheard of for this to happen. I'm actually pretty surprised "The Sound of Winter" didn't do better on Active than Alternative, really. The debut for this on Active first is totally reasonable when looking at the Alt environment.
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Post by Cody on Sept 13, 2014 13:21:19 GMT -5
You do realize Bush did better on Active in 2001 right? Its not unheard of for this to happen. I'm actually pretty surprised "The Sound of Winter" didn't do better on Active than Alternative, really. The debut for this on Active first is totally reasonable when looking at the Alt environment. And that this is much more of a 'rock' song than an 'alternative' one anyways. The only reason to complain is to be difficult and whiney for no reason.
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Post by Pipa on Sept 13, 2014 13:51:24 GMT -5
I'm actually pretty surprised "The Sound of Winter" didn't do better on Active than Alternative, really. The debut for this on Active first is totally reasonable when looking at the Alt environment. And that this is much more of a 'rock' song than an 'alternative' one anyways. The only reason to complain is to be difficult and whiney for no reason. I mean, yeah, I lost my job, my house and have no money, but my biggest problem in my life is the change in direction Alternative's taking. DISCLAIMER: None of the above actually happened. I'm well and fine.
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Post by Green Baron on Sept 13, 2014 14:30:23 GMT -5
You do realize Bush did better on Active in 2001 right? Its not unheard of for this to happen. I'm actually pretty surprised "The Sound of Winter" didn't do better on Active than Alternative, really. The debut for this on Active first is totally reasonable when looking at the Alt environment. this is melodic enough
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Post by Shadows in the Dark on Sept 13, 2014 15:18:17 GMT -5
WTF... Top 50 on Active: 0 44 BUSH The Only Way Out 125 0 125 0.478 You do realize Bush did better on Active in 2001 right? Its not unheard of for this to happen. Barely. "The People That We Love" hit #10 on Active and #11 on Alternative. They've consistently done better on Alternative though, even in the 90s, which is the era most people compare today's Alternative to. I was also hoping it could debut on Alternative first. I'm actually pretty surprised "The Sound of Winter" didn't do better on Active than Alternative, really. The debut for this on Active first is totally reasonable when looking at the Alt environment. And that this is much more of a 'rock' song than an 'alternative' one anyways. The only reason to complain is to be difficult and whiney for no reason. Idk, I don't think I could classify Bush's songs, including this, as strictly "mainstream rock" (if that's what you were referring to). I've always felt Bush had a place on Alternative.
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Post by Cody on Sept 13, 2014 17:19:25 GMT -5
You do realize Bush did better on Active in 2001 right? Its not unheard of for this to happen. Barely. "The People That We Love" hit #10 on Active and #11 on Alternative. They've consistently done better on Alternative though, even in the 90s, which is the era most people compare today's Alternative to. I was also hoping it could debut on Alternative first. And that this is much more of a 'rock' song than an 'alternative' one anyways. The only reason to complain is to be difficult and whiney for no reason. Idk, I don't think I could classify Bush's songs, including this, as strictly "mainstream rock" (if that's what you were referring to). I've always felt Bush had a place on Alternative. But these sort of bands over time start to become more active than alternative all the time anyways. In fact, part of the cultural definition of 'mainstream rock' has always been to include artists and songs that are more influenced by and related to 'classic' rock, and the definition of 'classic' rock has changed since the 90s. The grunge explosion happened like 25 years ago now, so now in modern circles, the older stuff from the Seattle Sound bands is being classified as 'classic' rock, which means the post-grunge and hard rock that takes its influence from that by definition should be more geared toward rock stations nowadays. I just think it's as if sometimes people forget about this, or seem to believe that this definition, which was used as somewhat of a guide in the 90s, wasn't meant to be dynamic and fit with every time period. For this reason, it just makes much more sense for this to be bigger and more immediate on Active, and the same should be said for the new U2 song (U2 themselves can be classified as 'classic' rock now too). Even the most recent compared success between the two formats by bands like Green Day, Offspring, and Pearl Jam are great examples for everything I just said. As for classification of Bush, you're right in that they certainly fit under both categories, I think it's just clear that since as far back as 2001 when they were bigger on active, they're far more 'rock' than 'alternative'. As Devin said, their latest era is extremely interesting and a bit surprising in that they did better on alternative, but this was clearly quite the anomaly. Hell, even the Foo Fighters started to do better on active at the end of their last era, and I'll bet the Chili Peppers will start to do so as well during their next era, it's all just natural.
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Post by Green Baron on Sept 13, 2014 17:24:42 GMT -5
U2 are too soft for Active though.
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Post by Cody on Sept 13, 2014 17:39:44 GMT -5
U2 are too soft for Active though. Active isn't about being heavy, that's something you really need to understand. From a traditional standpoint, if that is the case, someone needs to explain to me how so much of the successful music, including these #1 examples from several different eras throughout the 80s/90s are heavy.
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Post by Cody on Sept 13, 2014 17:44:24 GMT -5
Back on the topic of the Bush song, I still think it'll be a top 10 on Alternative, it's just that I also think it's going top 5 on Active, and that that should be expected and it's the way it really should be.
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Post by Green Baron on Sept 13, 2014 17:49:46 GMT -5
It's too soft FOR THE CURRENT ACTIVE STATE.
Like how Linkin and other now Active mainstays are too heavy for THE CURRENT ALT STATE.
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Post by Cody on Sept 13, 2014 17:56:32 GMT -5
It's too soft FOR THE CURRENT ACTIVE STATE. Like how Linkin and other now Active mainstays are too heavy for THE CURRENT ALT STATE. Well then, it's only fair that you complain about the current active state not being accepting enough of ballads and softer songs from bands that fit its traditional description if you're going to complain about the current alternative state not being accepting enough of metal, hard rock, and heavier songs that fit its traditional description.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 18:00:38 GMT -5
hehe
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Post by Green Baron on Sept 13, 2014 18:08:37 GMT -5
It's too soft FOR THE CURRENT ACTIVE STATE. Like how Linkin and other now Active mainstays are too heavy for THE CURRENT ALT STATE. Well then, it's only fair that you complain about the current active state not being accepting enough of ballads and softer songs from bands that fit its traditional description if you're going to complain about the current alternative state not being accepting enough of metal, hard rock, and heavier songs that fit its traditional description. the only problem is they do well on Active anyways - like "Until It's Gone"
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Post by Cody on Sept 13, 2014 18:10:41 GMT -5
Well then, it's only fair that you complain about the current active state not being accepting enough of ballads and softer songs from bands that fit its traditional description if you're going to complain about the current alternative state not being accepting enough of metal, hard rock, and heavier songs that fit its traditional description. the only problem is they do well on Active anyways - like "Until It's Gone" If "Until It's Gone" is to be considered 'light', then on the same scale "Back To The Shack" is 'heavy'. Sounds ridiculous right? Well if we're gonna be reasonable and really go the "Until It's Gone" is a light song route, it's the only way to avoid double-standards.
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Post by Pipa on Sept 13, 2014 18:16:26 GMT -5
U2 are too soft for Active though. Active isn't about being heavy, that's something you really need to understand. From a traditional standpoint, if that is the case, someone needs to explain to me how so much of the successful music, including these #1 examples from several different eras throughout the 80s/90s are heavy. Cody, you're confusing Active Rock with Mainstream Rock. The Mainstream Rock chart's been around since the early 80s, but I believe Active Rock started in the late 90s/early 00s. So it's not accurate to say they were Active Rock hits, although the format has eclipsed Mainstream Rock by far.
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Post by Green Baron on Sept 13, 2014 18:29:25 GMT -5
the only problem is they do well on Active anyways - like "Until It's Gone" If "Until It's Gone" is to be considered 'light', then on the same scale "Back To The Shack" is 'heavy'. Sounds ridiculous right? Well if we're gonna be reasonable and really go the "Until It's Gone" is a light song route, it's the only way to avoid double-standards. Until It's Gone is fluff, come on now. It's easily the lightest song on Hunting Party. However, I will say that "Leave Out All the Rest" peaking at #37 in a sham, but at that point they were bigger on Alt and not Active. "What If I Was Nothing" is definitely soft. It peaked at #2 despite being Hot AC fodder. I will give you this, though, "Here Without You" by 3DD was robbed on the rock formats.
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Post by Pipa on Sept 13, 2014 18:31:00 GMT -5
Even the heaviest stations in the country play slower songs and ballads. I mean, you have to for the sake of variety. Otherwise it's just way too repetitive.
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Post by Cody on Sept 13, 2014 18:34:05 GMT -5
Active isn't about being heavy, that's something you really need to understand. From a traditional standpoint, if that is the case, someone needs to explain to me how so much of the successful music, including these #1 examples from several different eras throughout the 80s/90s are heavy. Cody, you're confusing Active Rock with Mainstream Rock. The Mainstream Rock chart's been around since the early 80s, but I believe Active Rock started in the late 90s/early 00s. So it's not accurate to say they were Active Rock hits, although the format has eclipsed Mainstream Rock by far. BBs Mainstream Rock has always been close to MB active rock though (give or take a couple of positions), so had the active format been around during those periods, I'd imagine those would've all still been roughly just as big on active.
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Post by Pipa on Sept 13, 2014 18:41:24 GMT -5
Cody, you're confusing Active Rock with Mainstream Rock. The Mainstream Rock chart's been around since the early 80s, but I believe Active Rock started in the late 90s/early 00s. So it's not accurate to say they were Active Rock hits, although the format has eclipsed Mainstream Rock by far. BBs Mainstream Rock has always been close to MB active rock though (give or take a couple of positions), so had the active format been around during those periods, I'd imagine those would've all still been roughly just as big on active. Fair enough. The heavier stuff wasn't really around then, that's why there was a new chart created for it.
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Post by Brian Battler on Sept 14, 2014 2:24:45 GMT -5
Very guld
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Post by Cody on Sept 15, 2014 15:15:34 GMT -5
Top 40 - Active
0 36 BUSH The Only Way Out 211 0 211 0.764
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