Billboard Hot 100 : 11/08/2014

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Oct 29, 2014 12:15:55 GMT -5 josh said:

Oct 29, 2014 10:52:52 GMT -5 josh said:

Say SIO sold 200k this week. 25k were from new pre-orders, so 175k were actually purchased just as a single.

Then, you subtract the existing pre-orders. Let's say 200k. So then "sales" for the week are actually -25k. However, the 175k is what will count towards the Hot 100.

I don't know why I bother posting when no one reads the answer to the question asked multiple times over the last 2 pages.

But wasn't that before though? I thought that they changed it afterwards without an official article explaining it and that after October 10th or something sales for pre-orders and instant grats would no longer be included in Hot 100 calculations...

[josh]

Oct 29, 2014 12:17:55 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Oct 29, 2014 12:15:55 GMT -5 josh said:

I don't know why I bother posting when no one reads the answer to the question asked multiple times over the last 2 pages.

But wasn't that before though? I thought that they changed it afterwards without an official article explaining it and that after October 10th or something sales for pre-orders and instant grats would no longer be included in Hot 100 calculations...

If SIO sold 200k, and 25k were due to new pre-order instant grats, that would be 175k in actual sales, which would count towards Hot 100. If album pre-order total was 200k, which got subtracted on Sunday, its sales on Digital Songs would be -25k. However, as I said, the 175k is what counts for Hot 100.

*these are all fictional numbers

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Oct 29, 2014 12:17:13 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Lol. Be fair. She ALREADY hit number one, it's time for someone else's turn now.

Like who? The only other contender is Meghan and she has been #1 a lot longer and to be honest her song doesn't feel as big as Taylor's. Unless you're fantasizing about Tove or Jessie being #1 or something, your comment doesn't make any sense lol

[Clauss]

Oct 29, 2014 12:17:13 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Lol. Be fair. She ALREADY hit number one, it's time for someone else's turn now.

Honey. This is WAAAAAARR. Ain't no charity foundation here. She deserves more weeks at top.

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Prediction (assuming SIO's sales will all count)

1. Shake it off
2. All about that bass
3. Habits (stay high)
4. Bang bang
5. Animals
6. Black widow
7. Don't tell 'em
8. Take me to church
9. Hot boy
10. Don't

I hope the sales drop means goodbye to SWM

[wavey.]

Oct 29, 2014 12:32:19 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Oct 29, 2014 12:17:13 GMT -5 wavey. said:

Lol. Be fair. She ALREADY hit number one, it's time for someone else's turn now.

Like who? The only other contender is Meghan and she has been #1 a lot longer and to be honest her song doesn't feel as big as Taylor's. Unless you're fantasizing about Tove or Jessie being #1 or something, your comment doesn't make any sense lol

Look... ANYTHING can/has happened. I was just speaking in General.

[josh]

Oct 29, 2014 12:45:05 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Prediction (assuming SIO's sales will all count)

they will omg

[HolidayGuy]

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6296997/hot-100-meghan-trainor-hozier-top-10

Meghan Trainor Tops Hot 100 For Eighth Week, Hozier Hits Top 10
By Gary Trust, New York | October 29, 2014

Meghan Trainor's "All About That Bass" commands the Billboard Hot 100 for an eighth week, rewriting the record for the longest-ruling No. 1 ever released on Epic Records. It also becomes the longest-leading No. 1 by a woman this year. Plus, Irish singer/songwriter Hozier soars to the top 10 with his breakthrough hit, "Take Me to Church," which vaults 33-9.

And, with a 7-5 advance for Maroon 5's "Animals," women relinquish their exclusive lock on the Hot 100's top five after a record seven consecutive weeks.

Wednesday's the day that the sales/airplay/streaming-based Hot 100 is compiled, so, as always, let's look at the numbers behind the top 10 and more.

With its eighth week atop the Hot 100, "Bass" breaks the mark for the longest-leading No. 1 single in Epic Records history. How does she earn the honor? By passing the King of Pop: "Bass" bests two Michael Jackson smashes released on the label that each led for seven weeks: 1983's "Billie Jean" and 1991's "Black or White."

"Bass" additionally jumps past Iggy Azalea's "Fancy," featuring Charli XCX, for the longest Hot 100 rule by a woman this year. "Fancy" led for seven frames in June/July. Among all No. 1s, only Pharrell Williams' "Happy" has spent more time on top, 10 weeks, in 2014. (The last No. 1 by a woman to top the Hot 100 for longer than eight weeks? Lorde's "Royals," which led for nine in October-December 2013.)

"Bass" holds at No. 1 on the Hot 100 thanks to its leading rank on Streaming Songs for an eighth week and its return to the top of the Digital Songs chart (3-1), which it crowns for a seventh total week. The song drew 13.2 million U.S. streams (up 2 percent) in the tracking week, according to Nielsen BDS, and sold 143,000 downloads (down 3 percent), per Nielsen SoundScan. It keeps at No. 2 on Radio Songs, after three weeks at No. 1, with 138 million in all-format audience (down 5 percent).

Trainor additionally debuts at No. 93 on the Hot 100 with follow-up "Lips Are Movin," from her debut full-length album, Title, due Jan. 13. (Now available for pre-order, it's replaced Trainor's four-song EP of the same name; the EP reached No. 15 on the Billboard 200 last month. "Bass" appears on both versions of Title, while "Lips" is new to the full-length.)

Ahead of her expected monster debut atop the Billboard 200 next week, with potentially a million-plus sold, with 1989, Taylor Swift spends an eighth week at No. 2 on the Hot 100 with "Shake It Off"; it spent its first two weeks at No. 1. It tops Radio Songs for a third week (143 million, down 3 percent); leads the subscription services-based On-Demand Songs chart for a fifth week (3.7 million, down 4 percent); stays at its No. 2 peak on Streaming Songs (11.1 million, up 2 percent); and drops 2-15 on Digital Songs (62,000, down 65 percent), where it ruled for four weeks.

(Why the song's sales drop? Its slide is owed to iTunes customers who bought "Shake" and opted to complete their purchase of 1989, released Monday [Oct. 27] at midnight ET and, thus, Sunday PT, which contributes to the current chart's sales tracking week. Effectively, consumers who completed the album were returning "Shake," translating to its sales chart slip. For the purposes of the Hot 100, however, aggregate sales contribute to the song's overall point total.)

Like Trainor, Swift also enters the Hot 100 with a new song, 1989's opener "Welcome to New York" (No. 48). (Last week, fellow preview cut "Out of the Woods" bowed at No. 18.) Swift swells her total of Hot 100 entries to 62, pushing her closer to the only woman with more visits in the chart's 56-year history: Aretha Franklin, with 73. "New York" begins at No. 5 on Digital Songs with 84,000 sold.

Tove Lo's "Habits (Stay High)" reaches a new peak on the Hot 100 (5-3), while Jessie J, Ariana Grande and Nicki Minaj's "Bang Bang" drops from its best rank (3-4).

Wait ... what's that … men in the Hot 100's top five? At last, they are, as Maroon 5's "Animals" charges 7-5, adding top Airplay Gainer honors for a third consecutive week; the song enters the Radio Songs top five, roaring 14-9 (80 million, up 31 percent). The track is Maroon 5's 10th Radio Songs top 10, tying the Adam Levine-led band with Destiny's Child for the most top 10s among groups in the chart's 24-year archives. (Mariah Carey leads all acts with 23 top 10s.)

Women, thus, wrap their record streak of locking men out of the Hot 100's top five after seven weeks. The run shattered the mark of four consecutive weeks of all-women top fives in 1999.

Azalea's No. 3-peaking "Black Widow," featuring Rita Ora, drops 4-6 on the Hot 100, while leading Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Rap Songs for a fourth week each; Jeremih's "Don't Tell 'Em," featuring YG, backtracks to No. 7 from its No. 6 high; and, Bobby Shmurda's first top 10, "Hot Boy," rises 9-8.


Hozier scores the week's lone new top 10 on the Hot 100, as "Take Me to Church" rockets 33-9. It adds the top Digital Gainer award for a second week, powering 13-2 on Digital Songs with a 107 percent surge to 132,000. Multiple metrics push the song forward, as it also darts 22-10 on On-Demand Songs (2.3 million, up 43 percent) and 46-17 on Streaming Songs (4.2 million, up 62 percent). Its airplay is building, too, as it nears Radio Songs with a 23 percent lift to 21 million.

Helping spur the following of "Church": it's featured in a new Beats by Dre commercial (which highlights LeBron James' return to the Cleveland Cavaliers). Plus, in recent days Shazam blasted all 11 million of its email subscribers about Hozier, this month's #FeaturedByShazam artist.

The run to the Hot 100's top 10 for the haunting "Church," written as a stance against gay discrimination in Russia, has been steady, with adult alternative WXPN Philadelphia the first station to play the song in the U.S. nearly a year ago (Nov. 21; new track "From Eden" rises 21-15 on the Adult Alternative Songs chart this week). Columbia Records began promotion of "Church" in earnest earlier this year. On Oct. 11, Hozier (born Andrew Hozier Byrne) played NBC's Saturday Night Live, helping further break "Church" to mainstream audiences. His self-titled debut full-length debuted at No. 2 on the Billboard 200 three weeks ago and has sold 99,000 so far.

"People have reacted to this song, but also went deeper into his music, seeking out more to purchase or stream," says Columbia executive VP/GM Joel Klaiman. "That's a sign that proves what we knew: that this isn't just a hit song. He's a special artist."

Rounding out the Hot 100's top 10, Sam Smith's No. 2-peaking "Stay With Me" drops 8-10. (Follow-up "I'm Not the Only One" could soon enter the top 10: it pushes 20-16 this week.)

[Kris]

^ beat me to it


Wait ... what's that … men in the Hot 100's top five? At last, they are, as Maroon 5's "Animals" charges 7-5, adding top Airplay Gainer honors for a third consecutive week; the song enters the Radio Songs top five, roaring 14-9 (80 million, up 31 percent). 

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Wtf...so the sales did count yet Taylor somehow STILL isn't #1? -___- how is this even possible? How is the small streaming difference cancelling out the big sales and airplay differences???
And FINALLY a male in the top five! Been waiting for a while now!

[👑 Eloquent ™]

This song is gonna end up spending 10 weeks at #1 due to Youtube views. Lmao Ridiculous isn't even the word really.

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Oct 29, 2014 14:00:20 GMT -5 👑 Eloquent ™ said:

This song is gonna end up spending 10 weeks at #1 due to Youtube views. Lmao Ridiculous isn't even the word really.

and the fact that the songs below the top 2 are climbing too slowly

[HolidayGuy]

^SIO is only ahead of AATB by 5 million listeners. AATB has a streaming lead of 2.1 million.

SIO happened to have been released before iTunes stopped reporting instant grats, so the treatment of the "sales" is expected.

[Zeebz]

I'm really glad that "Take Me to Church" and "Habits" are both moving up. Hopefully they'll continue to do so.

Also, I would rather see both "Shake It Off" and "All About That Bass" fall. They've both spent way too much time in the top two. A number one is a number one. Chill.

[skizzo]

Me too, so sick of Shake It Off and Bass. They need to go ASAP

[Fancy]

habits is looking to be the next radio #1, so hopefully it can manage at least a week at #1 on the hot 100. what sucks is that she's touring elsewhere, so there's not really gonna be any promo when the song could use it most. :(

[Mr. Thonk Eyes]

Oct 29, 2014 15:02:30 GMT -5 Fancy said:

habits is looking to be the next radio #1, so hopefully it can manage at least a week at #1 on the hot 100. what sucks is that she's touring elsewhere, so there's not really gonna be any promo when the song could use it most. :(

Perhaps they could discount the song on iTunes. Also on Spotify the remix got out of the top 50 this week so there's also that

[Fancy]

yeah the spotify move hurt a lot, even if it wasn't reflected in her rise this week. i feel like this is gonna be a closer fight between her and maroon 5 than i originally thought. ofc hozier is a possibility too, but his radio presence is a lot lower as of now.

[kanimal]

It's admittedly been a long day, but I'm not seeing how many"Shake it Off" sales were included in the Hot 100 calculation. Wouldn't that, you know, be a crucial thing here?

While I personally have a hard time accepting that AATB is bigger than SIO at this *particular* moment, I think dwelling on the YouTube element is a misguided approach. For starters, it remains an airplay, streaming (audio) and sales force -- it's very close to SIO in those categories. Video exposure should count for *something* - as it does reflect a song's popularity and market presence. I don't think it's greatly ruining the integrity of the chart in this case.

Let's also remember that Swift went very hard with the video for her song too. She brought in a high-profile director, had a buzz-seeking concept (that ended up causing controversy and controversy = cash) and had a ridiculous platform for launching it.

That the AATB video is holding up better than the SIO video is not something to just ignore.

-- I'm actually pulling for an eleven week run at this point. It's probably not going to happen (Swift likely has one final shot next week), but I don't think there has been a bigger song (overall) this year than All About That Bass, and I hate that "Happy" still claims that record.

[badrobot]

The instant grat change was much needed -- it makes much more sense for these songs to be debuting where they are rather than storming the top ten for a week.

Taylor and Meghan have just been neck and neck for weeks with streaming continually giving Meghan an edge. It's just an unusual scenario of 2 songs being simultaneously massive.

Taylor may still regain #1 (album release week seems to help singles it seems) but I'm still betting on Animals being the next new #1.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

The fact of the matter is that "Shake It Off" is dominating "All About That Bass" in every single area other than You Tube views essentially (however "miniscule" the difference). Hell, even Taylor's cumulative video views total is more than Meghan's (214m to 199m). As someone who isn't a fan of the inclusion of video views in the Hot 100's methodology to begin with (a stance held outside the realm of Taylor), it is irksome to me, personally, however "misguided" commenting on it may seem. Still, I realize this is the way things are, but I ain't gonna love it. lol

I think it just leads to more misrepresentation. Taylor and Meghan's hits are really neck and neck (commercially speaking), but one isn't going to see that accurately reflected with their respective runs at #1 (likely 10+ weeks to 2). I realize this kind of thing happens a lot, but how often has such an occurence been attributed to You Tube views? It is silly to me. lol

[HolidayGuy]

Again, though, the two are very close in airplay- just a 5m difference. It's not like AATB is No. 1 overall with lackluster airplay and sales numbers.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Oct 29, 2014 16:35:24 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Again, though, the two are very close in airplay- just a 5m difference. It's not like AATB is No. 1 overall with lackluster airplay and sales numbers.

Not my point, like, at all (though their sales gap has been sizeable as of late, 30k last week for starters), but I'll just leave it all be here because no amount of disagreement with the inclusion and weight of video views is going to change their methodology.

[HolidayGuy]

Since no one knows for sure what the formula breakdown is, we're only left to speculate. And, it's true- streaming is here to stay (for now, anyway).

[Clauss]

Amazing that even with that sales it was able to stay at #2. This is gonna stay for a while in top 10.

[👑 Eloquent ™]

And let me just clarify that I see absolutely nothing wrong with the inclusion of streaming in general, just in relation to video streaming.

[Kinney]

To the people complaining about AATB and SIO constantly being the top two, it's not Meghan and Taylor's fault (or maybe it is) that people are liking their songs so much more than every other song. It's not even like they're barely making it to those spots, there's a massive gap between these two and the rest. It's going to be at least a few more weeks until something comes along to truly challenge them.

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Oct 29, 2014 17:12:53 GMT -5 Kinney said:

To the people complaining about AATB and SIO constantly being the top two, it's not Meghan and Taylor's fault (or maybe it is) that people are liking their songs so much more than every other song. It's not even like they're barely making it to those spots, there's a massive gap between these two and the rest. It's going to be at least a few more weeks until something comes along to truly challenge them.

That's not what we are complaining about at all lol. At least not those of us creating productive discussion (myself, AvaBrooke, etc.). We are being perplexed about how AATB is still above SIO. It's obvious that the #3 song is far from the top two right now (though I think/hope it will go higher in the coming weeks).

[Kinney]

Oct 29, 2014 17:49:46 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Oct 29, 2014 17:12:53 GMT -5 Kinney said:

To the people complaining about AATB and SIO constantly being the top two, it's not Meghan and Taylor's fault (or maybe it is) that people are liking their songs so much more than every other song. It's not even like they're barely making it to those spots, there's a massive gap between these two and the rest. It's going to be at least a few more weeks until something comes along to truly challenge them.

That's not what we are complaining about at all lol. At least not those of us creating productive discussion (myself, AvaBrooke, etc.). We are being perplexed about how AATB is still above SIO. It's obvious that the #3 song is far from the top two right now (though I think/hope it will go higher in the coming weeks).

My comment wasn't directed at that conversation, more so the people on the last page complaining about these two sitting at the top.

[johonmilla]

SIO is going to fall next week thx to "Blank Space" being a hit and will probably lower the chances of SIO being #1 again.

On a side note, I really hope Take me to church leaves, I hate the song. I think it missed its chance in the 80's.

Which songs will debut this week besides Calvin Harris's Outside, Welcome to New York, and maybe "Beg for It" and I bet my life by Imagine Dragons?