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Post by iHype. on Nov 19, 2014 17:26:07 GMT -5
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Post by Verisimilitude on Nov 19, 2014 17:28:25 GMT -5
This will be kind of messy.
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Post by Kinney on Nov 19, 2014 17:32:40 GMT -5
1,500 streams will be equal to an album sale. What in the world.
I'm not opposed to including streaming in the chart, but that threshold is ridiculously low.
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Post by when the pawn... on Nov 19, 2014 17:34:25 GMT -5
Wow. It'll be messy and probably have some revisions but I like the thinking behind it. I assume they'll still have a separate sales chart as it is now?
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Nov 19, 2014 17:36:35 GMT -5
Billboard is a joke. Why do they insist on mixing apples, oranges and pears in their charts?
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Post by RockaByeBaby on Nov 19, 2014 17:39:44 GMT -5
Will this also affect album certifications? Cuz Iggy's The New Classic TEA is over a million
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 19, 2014 17:49:53 GMT -5
Clusterfuck
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Nov 19, 2014 17:52:46 GMT -5
If they're going to do this, it needs to be a separate chart. Leave the Billboard 200 untouched.
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 19, 2014 18:03:41 GMT -5
Well, this is gonna turn out well . I'll just take a seat. EDIT: #36 to #9? That's so dumb. You also know that some troll on ATRL is beating off to this right now . Not to say a separate chart that showed the most streamed albums is itself a bad idea, it could lead to interesting data. But this is going to be a wreck.
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Post by Spidey on Nov 19, 2014 18:05:55 GMT -5
Uh... this just screams mess, but was bound to happen at some point.
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Post by skizzo on Nov 19, 2014 18:06:55 GMT -5
Erm...no. Just stop Billboard.
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Post by Green Baron on Nov 19, 2014 18:13:01 GMT -5
Streams and album sales are not equivalent. You can't just make up a number and say 1500 streams equals an album sale. That's compltely different,
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Post by hitseeker. on Nov 19, 2014 18:17:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd like to kmow where they got that 1,500 from.
And yes, I echo the thoughts and sentiments about the mess that will most likely ensue.
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Post by Spidey on Nov 19, 2014 18:28:41 GMT -5
I would rather them make this a separate chart and keep the Billboard 200 the way it is. The chart has always been about album sales. Adding streams into the mix just completely changes what the chart is.
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Post by 14887fan on Nov 19, 2014 18:49:39 GMT -5
Wow. Coming off of the heels of Taylor Swift and Jason Aldean pulling their discographies from streaming? This'll be interesting to watch...
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Post by Caviar on Nov 19, 2014 18:52:50 GMT -5
While I don't agree with the 1500 streams requirement it was bound to happen. Billboard has been discussing changes to the album chart for a few years and IMO was long overdue. There's millions of people (like myself) that simply will stream the album instead of buying it. Album sales are down 13% this year, at what point should modifications be made to the chart...when weekly cumulative sales reach 1 million...within the next 4-5 years? RIAA already updated their certs and now it's time for Billboard. The 2000s are over with..time to move on.
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Post by popstop on Nov 19, 2014 18:53:20 GMT -5
Wow. Coming off of the heels of Taylor Swift and Jason Aldean pulling their discographies from streaming? This'll be interesting to watch... First thing that popped into my head. Is Billboard trolling their decision? Edited
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Nov 19, 2014 18:57:56 GMT -5
Wow. Coming off of the heels of Taylor Swift and Jason Aldean pulling their discographies from streaming? This'll be interesting to watch... First thing that popped into my head. Is Billboard trolling their decision? Edited It should be considered a completely different chart then! AG example is the perfect reason why. Say goodbye to artists like Annie Lennox hitting the Top 10 again like her last album.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Nov 19, 2014 18:58:25 GMT -5
Just today One Direction asked their fans on social media to check the album out on Spotify. They even posted a video on YouTube. Kinda weird, considering they are in their first week of release.
I always believed pulling music from Spotify would eventually (in a few years) bite Taylor and co. in the ass, but I didn't expect the first consequence to arrive this soon.
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Post by Caviar on Nov 19, 2014 19:06:24 GMT -5
Wait...is Billboard giving HITS the middle finger in the process? LOL :kii:
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Post by surfy on Nov 19, 2014 19:14:42 GMT -5
UGH! I don't like this idea. If they are going to do this at least make a Album Sales and Album Streams chart so I can see who actually deserves a top 10...
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Post by renfield75 on Nov 19, 2014 19:25:12 GMT -5
As much as I love seeing all the older artists in the top ten (even scoring late career #1s) the BB200 has looked ridiculous for a while now. Young people are still listening to albums, they just aren't buying them. The album chart should reflect that.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 19, 2014 19:40:33 GMT -5
I'll love the drama. This will be exciting to watch imo. Is it the next chart?
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Post by nick64 on Nov 19, 2014 19:42:40 GMT -5
Adding streaming is something I expected them to do for a while and I'm not exactly opposed to it. On the other hand, just NO at individual track downloads counting. This is an album chart, not a singles chart. Random flop albums like MAGIC!'s are gonna be pretty decent hits now, which is just wrong.
And how are they gonna do this? I just bought "Lips Are Movin'", but have no intention of buying Title when it comes out. Are all of these sales before the release date going to suddenly count for it during release week? Because I'm technically buying it off the album still, since it's available in the preorder package as opposed to an individual single. Or are downloads before the album release date going to be irrelevant, which just throws off the integrity of this chart completely. Same thing with singles that eventually switch to album versions upon release or preorder availability ("Maps" and "All About That Bass", for example). And what about when songs jump from an EP to an album (such as "Royals" and "Habits")?
Not thought through at all.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Nov 19, 2014 20:09:23 GMT -5
Told you Taylor broke the Internet.
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Post by Kurt on Nov 19, 2014 20:15:38 GMT -5
Billboard's posted an official post, along with this tidbit that will put some of the above worries to rest: link
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 19, 2014 20:17:16 GMT -5
I just don't understand why the Billboard 200 counldn't have remained the Billboard 200, and this chart be called something else.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Nov 19, 2014 20:22:16 GMT -5
I just don't understand why the Billboard 200 counldn't have remained the Billboard 200, and this chart be called something else. That's what Hits Daily Double alluded to when they said that Billboard was working on a "consumption chart", but I never thought they'd make it the official chart. To quite Stinky from Hey Arnold!, "This really bites..."
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Nov 19, 2014 20:22:42 GMT -5
www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6320099/billboard-200-makeover-streams-digital-tracks?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=biz_breakingnews&utm_campaign=Breaking%20NewsBillboard 200 Makeover: Album Chart to Incorporate Streams & Track SalesBy Megan Buerger | November 19, 2014 8:00 PM EST Ariana Grande among artists likely to benefit from the change; revamped chart will debut online Dec. 3 & in Dec. 13 issue. The Billboard 200 albums chart will premiere its biggest upgrade in more than 23 years, transforming from a pure sales-based ranking to one measuring multi-metric consumption. Beginning with the chart revealed on Wednesday, Dec. 3, on Billboard.com (and in the Billboard issue dated Dec. 13), the chart, which currently tracks the top 200 albums of the week by sales alone, will be the first to include on-demand streaming and digital track sales (as measured by Nielsen Entertainment) by way of a new algorithm. It is the most substantial methodology update since May 1991, when Billboard first used Nielsen's point-of-sale data -- SoundScan -- to measure album sales. The revamped chart will premiere with data from Thanksgiving week (ending Nov. 30), one of the most active music release periods of the year. The new methodology aims to provide a better sense of an album's popularity by reflecting not just sales, but consumption activity. The updated Billboard 200 will utilize accepted industry benchmarks for digital and streaming data, equating 10 digital track sales from an album to one equivalent album sale, and 1,500 song streams from an album to one equivalent album sale. All of the major on-demand audio subscription services are considered, including Spotify, Beats Music, Google Play and Xbox Music. Current artists likely to benefit from this change in methodology include Ariana Grande, Hozier and Maroon 5, among others, as their streaming and digital song sales have been outperforming their album sales in recent weeks. "Adding streaming information makes the chart a better representation of music consumption activity," says Silvio Pietroluongo, VP of charts and data development at Billboard. "While an extremely valuable measurement, album sales would mostly capture the initial impulse only, without indicating the depth of consumption thereafter. Someone could listen to the album just once, or listen to one track or a number of tracks 100 times. We are now able to incorporate those plays as part of an album consumption ranking throughout one's possession of an album, extending beyond the initial purchase or listen." "With current On-Demand audio play counts exceeding 100 billion so far this year, this method of consumption has redefined the way success is measured in the music industry," says David Bakula, SVP Industry Insights, Nielsen Entertainment. "Nielsen's recent Music 360 report reveals that streaming has seen substantial gains in popularity with consumers, with nearly 80 percent of music fans reporting that they have streamed music in the last six months." Adjustments for the Billboard 200 took into account feedback from key executives in the music industry. "Including streaming information is the next step in the evolution of the industry's accurate measurement of music consumption," said Jim Urie, president/CEO of Universal Music Distribution. "Streaming is the fastest growing configuration we now have and having it included in Billboard's chart is a welcome improvement." "The new methodology for the Billboard 200 is a welcome and necessary evolution of Nielsen and Billboard's album chart data. The ways in which fans consume music, and the ways in which music is monetized, have grown beyond the traditional metrics of album sales," said Darren Stupak, executive vice president of U.S. Sales and Distribution, Sony Music Entertainment. "Music consumption in today's marketplace is a diverse mix of access and acquisition, including on-demand streaming, track and album downloading, and physical product purchasing. The introduction of this expanded scope chart brings the Billboard 200 more closely in line with the multi-platform, multi-format experience of music fans." While the Billboard 200 will be taking on a whole new look, Billboard will continue to publish a pure album sales chart, called Top Album Sales, that will maintain the traditional Billboard 200 methodology, comprising Nielsen's sales data exclusively. Existing genre album charts (Country, R&B/Hip-Hop, etc.) will also remain sale-based for the time being.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Nov 19, 2014 20:30:28 GMT -5
So for example with Blank Space this week: 328,000/10 = 32,800 in additional "album" sales With streaming are they including just individual tracks?! With their equation if so with Hozier with Take Me To Church would have an additional 1982 in "album sales" from just Spotify.
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