Lady Gaga - Joanne (World Tour), Vegas Residency

[It's me, bitch.]

Should have replaced telephone with applause

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Feb 6, 2017 0:59:38 GMT -5 allow that said:

Come on now, you make it sound like she did nothing at all. She did more good with her message than if she got up there and barked her views (correct as they may be) at that Texan audience. Love will win over more misguided minds than a patronizing lecture from a pop star.

Yeah, honestly we need to acknowledge that to a certain extent it's less about the message and more about Gaga herself - she does tend to fall into patronizing territory when she tries to speak her speech, so she needed to tread lightly anyway. She has even rubbed her gays wrong at times - we forget that BTW was rather off-putting at first, despite smashing hard on impact.

I also think it's worth keeping in mind that there is a certain part of the population now that just won't ever get it. They don't want to. I've been thinking about RL moves that I can make and I think the first step for what I want to do is drawing the line between those who refuse to listen, and those who might listen if I reach out to them in a certain way. If you want people to actually listen to you, a lot of times it's actually a disservice to beat the unreachable part of the population over the head with how wrong they are, b/c they're looking a reason, any reason, to cause a fuss and distract everyone else from what you're saying with their own noise.

Yes, it's frustrating to have to deal with such delicate senses, but it's a reality that we have to face. And Gaga similarly had to go in this show deciding, do I want to make a big statement and then risk it completely overshadowing my show because some people are mad? Will anyone even get the message if I do that? Or look at it this way: how many people remember that Janet's halftime show was actually really good from front to back? 13 years later and people still complain about a nipple ring that was on screen for a millisecond. 20-plus years of accolades, icon status and industry respect got completely flushed simply b/c she went for a quick attention grab that was actually entirely unnecessary for her to impress anyone. I just don't think anyone should fault Gaga for not wanting to run that kind of risk, even if her heart would have been in the right place while doing it.

[Relaxing Cup]

If you don't think she made a political statement, you missed it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Feb 6, 2017 1:28:05 GMT -5 Juanca said:

I've never understood what was so rebel about Formation the use of the N word maybe?

The video referenced police brutality and Hurricane Katrina (or more specifically, how victims of Hurricane Katrina were abandoned), and for the Super Bowl performance, Bey and her dancers dressed up as Black Panthers (the Black Panther Party is unfairly maligned as a violent/anti-establishment group, when in fact they did a lot to try to increase access to equal rights, financial independence, and resources for the poor within the AA community). Bey took a very non-political song and then infused every. single. visual. with very pointed political statements. Deepening the discord here is that both the old BPP and the current Black Lives Matter movements were/are critical of police behavior, and many people misconstrue this criticism as being anti-authority, period. That's why when she went on her Formation tour some police unions called for a 'boycott' of her tour by refusing to provide any security when she made her tour stops there. Massively petty.

[Snowbeast]

She made a statement. The opening was the statement. Instead of yelling "fuck Donald trump", it was a tactful diss. If you didn't get it, it's because you're a trump supporter.

Nothing "bad" to say about the performance, but aside from the first minute, wasn't the most memorable. I did expect more from the most visually-intelligent pop star in recent history. Overall, it was safe, but effective. Her biggest hits are aged, and I couldn't help but feel like I was watching a victory-lap throwback that had her walking through the motions of nostalgic choreography and material, instead of presenting the confidence of performance evolution.

[Ling-Ling]

It was entertaining, the setlist was fairly flawless IMO and she came off so damn likable. Her saying hello to her mom and dad was too damn cute. The only quibble I have was "Telephone," every gay man at the bar (and America) was PERCHED for Beyonce to come out and she never did, haha. Such a tease.

I didn't expect or need her to make some bold in-your-face political statement, I just wanted an entertaining show. I think plopping that "BTW" bridge was a nice move and I felt the opening was as well. Her statements were subtle, but also positive. I think she came out of this smelling like roses, good for her.

[#LisaRinna]

Sad that she skipped Artpop, but the performance was FANTASTIC. I really liked it and she did great!

[Glove Slap]

Rewatching, and literally the only thing I would change is remove BTW, which was the exact point when she jumped the shark, and by default dampens the nostalgia. That relative pinprick aside though, it's just such a strong performance over and over again. If you never liked her style of OTT performing at her peak, chances are there are things you could nitpick, but imo it did everything a SB performance should and concentrated on her core strengths. LMAO @ anyone trying to say she should have closed with MR; Bad Romance was the correct choice and is her defining hit. Not the one which is maybe played the most today (though it does pop up now and then), but the defining hit. This wasn't Showtime at The Apollo or a label showcase, it was the Super Bowl. And make no doubt, it is remembered. But as a far as her ballad moments go, this was one of the better ones because she sang it so well. Another reminder of what could have been had she chosen to have better direction and not cut herself at the knees so much in the years past her peak.

I'm so glad she started with Poker Face too. I was worried it'd be along the lines of her recent material, but the second that started, for a few minutes, I remembered exactly just how huge it was at its peak. I loved this chick so much in late 2009-2010. Had her poster in my dorm and everything. I never saw her maintaining that level even then, but I am so glad that I fully reveled in and enjoyed it. It may not have been that long on paper, but she was the greatest pop star of her generation on a level that nobody really has come close to in the way that she did. She made Pop music so exciting again after a huge lull.

[ry4n]

Yeah 100+ million people were watching, but I don't see how her shitting on Trump was going to change anybody's mind about him. When most people see their opinions being challenged, they feel threatened and go into defensive mode. With the tone Gaga tends to speak about politics in, conservatives would condemn her for being a "libtard SJW femini-nazi whatever". It would just divide people even further; defeating her message of inclusiveness. Like Ling-Ling said, I'd rather have an entertaining show. Not everything has to be political.

[JJ]

She rocked it. The message was perfect, great job.

[Glove Slap]

Tour dates:

1-Aug-17 – Vancouver, BC – Rogers Arena (tickets on sale Mon. Feb. 13)
3-Aug-17 – Edmonton, AB – Rogers Place (Mon. Feb. 13)
5-Aug-17 – Tacoma, WA – Tacoma Dome (Mon. Feb. 13)
8-Aug-17 – Los Angeles, CA – The Forum (Mon. Feb. 13)
11-Aug-17 – Las Vegas, NV – T-Mobile Arena (Mon. Feb. 13)
13-Aug-17 – San Francisco, CA – AT&T Park (Stadium) (Mon. Feb. 13)
15-Aug-17 – Sacramento, CA – Golden 1 Center (Mon. Feb. 13)
19-Aug-17 – Omaha, NB – CenturyLink Center (Mon. Feb. 13)
21-Aug-17 – St. Paul, MN – Xcel Energy Center (Mon. Feb. 13)
23-Aug-17 – Cleveland, OH – Quicken Loans Arena (Mon. Feb. 13)
25-Aug-17 – Chicago, IL – Wrigley Field (Stadium) (Mon. Feb. 13)
28-Aug-17 – New York City, NY – Citi Field (Stadium) (Mon. Feb. 13)
1-Sep-17 – Boston, MA – Fenway Park (Stadium) (Mon. Feb. 13)
4-Sep-17 – Montreal, QC – Bell Centre (Mon. Feb. 13)
6-Sep-17 – Toronto, ON – Air Canada Centre (Mon. Feb. 13)
10-Sep-17 – Philadelphia, PA – Wells Fargo Center (Mon. Feb. 13)
15-Sep-17 – Rio De Janeiro, BR – Rock In Rio Festival (Thu. Apr. 6)
22-Sep-17 – Barcelona, ES – Palau Sant Jordi (Fri. Feb. 10)
24-Sep-17 – Zurich, CH – Hallenstadion (Fri. Feb. 10)
26-Sep-17 – Milan, IT – Mediolanum Forum (Fri. Feb. 10)
29-Sep-17 – Hamburg, DE – Barclaycard Arena (Fri. Feb. 10)
1-Oct-17 – Antwerp, BE – Sportpaleis (Mon. Feb. 13)
3-Oct-17 – Amsterdam, NL – Ziggo Dome (Mon. Feb. 13)
6-Oct-17 – Paris, FR – AccorHotels Arena (Fri. Feb. 10)
9-Oct-17 – London, UK – O2 Arena (Fri. Feb. 10)
15-Oct-17 – Birmingham, UK – Barclaycard Arena (Fri. Feb. 10)
17-Oct-17 – Manchester, UK – Manchester Arena (Fri. Feb. 10)
21-Oct-17 – Copenhagen, DK – Royal Arena (Mon. Feb. 13)
23-Oct-17 – Stockholm, SE – Ericsson Globe (Mon. Feb. 13)
26-Oct-17 – Berlin, DE – Mercedes-Benz Arena (Fri. Feb. 10)
28-Oct-17 – Koln, DE – Lanxess Arena (Fri. Feb. 10)
5-Nov-17 – Indianapolis, IN – Bankers Life Fieldhouse (Mon. Feb. 20)
7-Nov-17 – Detroit, MI – Little Caesars Arena (Mon. Feb. 20)
10-Nov-17 – Uncasville, CT – Mohegan Sun (Mon. Feb. 20)
13-Nov-17 – Louisville, KY – KFC Yum! Center (Mon. Feb. 20)
15-Nov-17 – Kansas City, KS – Sprint Center (Mon. Feb. 20)
16-Nov-17 – St. Louis, MO – Scottrade Center (Mon. Feb. 20)
19-Nov-17 – Washington, DC – Verizon Center (Mon. Feb. 20)
20-Nov-17 – Pittsburgh, PA – Consol Energy Center (Mon. Feb. 20)
28-Nov-17 – Atlanta, GA – Philips Arena (Mon. Feb. 20)
30-Nov-17 – Miami, FL – American Airlines Arena (Mon. Feb. 20)
1-Dec-17 – Tampa, FL – Amalie Arena (Mon. Feb. 20)
3-Dec-17 – Houston, TX – Toyota Center (Mon. Feb. 20)
5-Dec-17 – Austin, TX – Frank Erwin Center (Mon. Feb. 20)
8-Dec-17 – Dallas, TX – American Airlines Center (Mon. Feb. 20)
9-Dec-17 – Oklahoma City, OK – Chesapeake Energy Arena (Mon. Feb. 20)
12-Dec-17 – Denver, CO – Pepsi Center (Mon. Feb. 20)
14-Dec-17 – Salt Lake City, UT – Vivint Smart Home Arena (Mon. Feb. 20)

[August]

Clearly with these dates, she left gaps so she can add more dates, depending on ticket demand / sales. She is smart to mostly stick to arenas, as she could probably still sell out those dates. I am not so sure about the stadium shows though. She is not at the peak of her powers / public interest like she used to be, so I would be surprised if she had multiple stadium dates in NYC, Chicago, Boston, or SF. One night at Citi Field has double the capacity of one night at Madison Square Garden, so she may not need to do multiple nights. Who knows...wish the girl well. Good for her.

[YourFaveIsAFlop]

Anybody who thought her performance wasn't political didn't understand what they were watching.

Singing This Land is Your Land, which protesters across the country have been singing at rallies against Trump's actions
Belting the bridge of Born This Way with Mike Pence sitting in the stadium
Million Reasons with a crowd full of people of color holding statue of liberty-esque torches

It was more subtle than Formation, but it certainly wasn't apolitical.

[Juanca]

Feb 6, 2017 2:23:30 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

Feb 6, 2017 1:28:05 GMT -5 Juanca said:

I've never understood what was so rebel about Formation the use of the N word maybe?

The video referenced police brutality and Hurricane Katrina (or more specifically, how victims of Hurricane Katrina were abandoned), and for the Super Bowl performance, Bey and her dancers dressed up as Black Panthers (the Black Panther Party is unfairly maligned as a violent/anti-establishment group, when in fact they did a lot to try to increase access to equal rights, financial independence, and resources for the poor within the AA community). Bey took a very non-political song and then infused every. single. visual. with very pointed political statements. Deepening the discord here is that both the old BPP and the current Black Lives Matter movements were/are critical of police behavior, and many people misconstrue this criticism as being anti-authority, period. That's why when she went on her Formation tour some police unions called for a 'boycott' of her tour by refusing to provide any security when she made her tour stops there. Massively petty.

Thanks for the note on the Black Panther Party. I don't think I associated both during Beyoncé's performance... in any case, yeah the song itself is non-political (I'd even say frivolous...)

[SPRΞΞ]

Feb 6, 2017 4:50:01 GMT -5 Snowbeast said:

She made a statement. The opening was the statement. Instead of yelling "f**k Donald trump", it was a tactful diss. If you didn't get it, it's because you're a trump supporter.

Nothing "bad" to say about the performance, but aside from the first minute, wasn't the most memorable. I did expect more from the most visually-intelligent pop star in recent history. Overall, it was safe, but effective. Her biggest hits are aged, and I couldn't help but feel like I was watching a victory-lap throwback that had her walking through the motions of nostalgic choreography and material, instead of presenting the confidence of performance evolution.

All of this.

And she should've ditched BTW for Papparazzi.

[YourFaveIsAFlop]

Feb 6, 2017 8:10:40 GMT -5 Juanca said:

Thanks for the note on the Black Panther Party. I don't think I associated both during Beyoncé's performance... in any case, yeah the song itself is non-political (I'd even say frivolous...)

Formation is a political song. It may just be that you aren't the intended audience.

[August]

From Billboard.com

Lady Gaga Is a Legacy Artist Now, But What a Legacy: Super Bowl 2017 Halftime Show Analysis

[Caviar]

I'm getting presale tix for the ATL show. But I'm thinking about getting tix for Wrigley Field too.

[Enigma.]

I'm probably going to Stockholm or Copenhagen.

[ZAYN]

I've not previously been a huge fan of hers, I definitely really liked quite a few songs and have appreciated her, but today is a new day. I was fucking obsessed with that incredible performance. Wow. Like she fucking brought it. So much energy and excitement. I watched it twice in a row to try to take in all of it. Emotional and happy with a pinch of hope and love. I kinda wanna go to a concert now, even tho I know it won't be that level, or even half...haha

[chartfreak]

Congrats to Gaga....she did a great job!! Thought I'm still debating how real the jump from the roof was.

[ZAYN]

For all the talk about her not doing "in your face" political statements...and this makes sense because Fox rejected the 84 Lumber original ad which featured a border wall. Instead they had to cut that out and got approval then...

Feb 6, 2017 9:20:33 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

Congrats to Gaga....she did a great job!! Thought I'm still debating how real the jump from the roof was.

I read that the opening segment was pre-filmed, which makes sense since she'd have a huge jerk if she actually jumped with tight cables holding her and not bungy cords.

[#LisaRinna]

I thought "Applause" would be a given for the show (I would've skipped "Just Dance" as it was the most boring moment imo).

"Million Reasons" was such a beautiful moment. I think it's interesting that in recent Halftime shows the ballad moments have been the best ones. Gaga SLAYED.

[Deleted]

I'm impressed with "Born This Way" doing so well post-performance. When it originally hit, I thought it would end up becoming one of her more forgotten major hits.

[JayBoozer]

Btw ended up being probably the most epic part of the performance with that amazing choreo, layered vocals and timely lyrics.

[August]

Feb 6, 2017 9:26:44 GMT -5 ZAYN said:

For all the talk about her not doing "in your face" political statements...and this makes sense because Fox rejected the 84 Lumber original ad which featured a border wall. Instead they had to cut that out and got approval then...

Feb 6, 2017 9:20:33 GMT -5 chartfreak said:

Congrats to Gaga....she did a great job!! Thought I'm still debating how real the jump from the roof was.

I read that the opening segment was pre-filmed, which makes sense since she'd have a huge jerk if she actually jumped with tight cables holding her and not bungy cords.

The drone show was definitely pre-taped as Intel confirmed that. Had to do with FAA regulations and not taking a chance on weather conditions. Just not clear if the entire opening was pre-taped (including her singing) or if they just inserted the drone show as a backdrop on the live performance. I am thinking the entire thing was pre-taped as her hair was more pulled back and slicked down when she sang up on top of the stadium vs. when she was singing on top of the tower. So could have been filmed hours apart.

[getonthebus]

That was the first time we'd seen LADY GAGA in a long time. She's an incredible performer, and between the Artpop faltering and Joanne, it was too easy to forget how dynamic she is. The Telephone trolling was amazing, but I would have subbed it out for Applause. Straight people fucking love Applause.

Everything about it was 2010 peak Gaga. Extra in all the right ways (the mic drop/football catch at the end left me screaming in tears), tongue in cheek but deadly serious, making a statement without "making a statement." 10/10 ready to be a Little Monster at the Chicago date. Wrigley Field is right next to the gay neighborhood and it is gonna be packed with hunties. Let me start crafting my disco stick now.

[Jack]

Agree about subbing in Applause for Telephone. She was a little slack at times, and obviously the intro was a lil sneaky, but as a non-fan last night firmly made me one. Her half-time show was extraordinary.

[ZAYN]

Feb 6, 2017 10:10:39 GMT -5 August said:

Feb 6, 2017 9:26:44 GMT -5 ZAYN said:

For all the talk about her not doing "in your face" political statements...and this makes sense because Fox rejected the 84 Lumber original ad which featured a border wall. Instead they had to cut that out and got approval then...

I read that the opening segment was pre-filmed, which makes sense since she'd have a huge jerk if she actually jumped with tight cables holding her and not bungy cords.

The drone show was definitely pre-taped as Intel confirmed that. Had to do with FAA regulations and not taking a chance on weather conditions. Just not clear if the entire opening was pre-taped (including her singing) or if they just inserted the drone show as a backdrop on the live performance. I am thinking the entire thing was pre-taped as her hair was more pulled back and slicked down when she sang up on top of the stadium vs. when she was singing on top of the tower. So could have been filmed hours apart.

Honestly, unless they had her up there in front of a green screen, which I'm sure they didn't, I'd definitely bet money on the opening being taped possibly even a week ago. The logistics of it all would just be too much.

But regardless, I just watched it all again for probably the 5th time and was brought to tears during Born This Way. I love being able to hear so many voices, it felt like the world just accepting themselves and everyone around them. What a great fantasy.

Also really love how diverse her dance crew is, not just racially, but there's super tall people, short people, etc...it's cool!

[#LisaRinna]

Thinking about going to the Milan show!