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Post by Kurt on Mar 18, 2015 18:46:40 GMT -5
Hello! We as staff have had a couple discussion points come up recently regarding the Nostalgia forum, and would like to open discussion up to the full forum for additional feedback.
1. As it currently stands, the Nostalgia forum is used for discussion of all songs exceeding two years in age. That means that a song from 2013 could be in the forum alongside one from 1963. One suggestion we received (that person may out themselves if they so choose) was to split up the Nostalgia forum by decade, so those who are looking for more recent singles and those who want to explore music in earlier decades can both do so more easily. 2. Anecdotally, I've noticed that the Nostalgia forum probably receives the highest amount of duplicate threads, likely in part due to various thread title formats used throughout the years. We're considering enacting a guideline that would have all thread titles (at least in the Nostalgia forum) use the same format so that search is easier both within the forum and on Google.
Please let us know your thoughts on each of the above points, along with any other feedback regarding the Nostalgia forum in particular. (Additionally, if you have any other thoughts about the forum as a whole that you'd like to see brought up as a feedback request in the future, feel free to contact staff via PM and we'll discuss it among staff before bringing up specific talking points for full public discussion.) Thanks!
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Post by H. on Mar 18, 2015 18:47:54 GMT -5
That sounds nice to have it listed by decade.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 18, 2015 18:50:51 GMT -5
Strongly agree with the title formatting.
I like the idea of separating by decade too. Even if you did 2010-2 years ago, 2000-2009, 90s, 80s, 1979 and earlier or something. (not sure how much action music from the 50s,60s,70s would get). Lately I see threads from songs that are 2 years old and I'm thinking...aren't they still on the charts somewhere?
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Post by maine on Mar 18, 2015 19:06:08 GMT -5
I agree with both suggestions.
One thing that we may find is that someone might make a thread in the wrong decade. I'll use OneRepublic as an example: "Good Life" was released as a single in 2010, but was released on Waking Up in 2009. Someone could make duplicate threads and have them in both. Sure you can merge, but I feel like it'd turn into a big pain, as there are many different cases that involve that.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 18, 2015 19:24:53 GMT -5
The second point that Kurt brought up is simple enough but I think is a really good idea. In the country forum, we have a rule that all threads are made a specific way, including the title. Example would be: Artist - "Song Title" I like the different decades idea as well. I think the Nostalgia thread is a good outlet for many people but I can certainly see how it could steer some folks away at times.
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Post by someguy on Mar 19, 2015 0:27:03 GMT -5
I agree with the formatting rule. It would be much easier if song threads were organized that way (all across the board, actually).
The decade thing doesn't bother me as is, but I definitely wouldn't be opposed to it if people found it more helpful that way.
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Post by ILLUSION on Mar 19, 2015 8:28:30 GMT -5
Would there be some way to move threads from the other forums to the Nostalgia forum? Maybe after a song has peaked or a year after it has been released? That way we can avoid having multiple threads for the same song?
For instance, move the "Heartbeat Song" thread from Pop to the Nostalgia forum once it has fallen off Top 40 or something like that? Most of those threads end up clogging the Pop forum up anyways.
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Post by Kurt on Mar 19, 2015 13:52:26 GMT -5
Thanks for your feedback thus far! Keep it coming. Would there be some way to move threads from the other forums to the Nostalgia forum? Maybe after a song has peaked or a year after it has been released? That way we can avoid having multiple threads for the same song? For instance, move the "Heartbeat Song" thread from Pop to the Nostalgia forum once it has fallen off Top 40 or something like that? Most of those threads end up clogging the Pop forum up anyways. That's possible, yes - I don't think it'd be beneficial to move them as soon as their chart runs are over (like, it'd be weird talking about Madonna's "Living For Love" in the Nostalgia forum), but moving old threads from pop (or rhythmic, country, etc.) to Nostalgia is something to consider as well. The only other potential issue I can see is that many songs have multiple threads because they cross to multiple genres, and the chart-based conversation already in there could be weird to see in the Nostalgia forum. That's certainly something we can discuss here as well, so if others have feedback on that idea, fire away.
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Post by Gary on Mar 19, 2015 14:37:59 GMT -5
Depends on how much work you guys want.
To prevent duplicate threads being transferred from multiple genres, what aboutlock threads in the genre forums that are deemed too old? A person still wanting to discuss that song would then be directed to open up a new thread in the nostalgia forum and/or search for an existing thread. Coming up with quirky rules like the music charts do with catalog titles seems too complicated for me(like chart run is over or fallen below position # whatever with X # of chart weeks)
If a song or album is old, it should not be too hard to figure out
Re: uniform thread titles - yes.
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Post by Libra on Mar 19, 2015 16:48:23 GMT -5
To prevent duplicate threads being transferred from multiple genres, what aboutlock threads in the genre forums that are deemed too old? A person still wanting to discuss that song would then be directed to open up a new thread in the nostalgia forum and/or search for an existing thread. Coming up with quirky rules like the music charts do with catalog titles seems too complicated for me(like chart run is over or fallen below position # whatever with X # of chart weeks) If a song or album is old, it should not be too hard to figure out For albums, the "era" threads tend to get locked upon the new "era" starting. For singles though, locking is often not necessary unless a particularly old song thread gets bumped without good reason. Discussion threads are definitely not created equal, and creating a set of rules to govern durations of song threads being open - whether as an addition to the Pulse rules or simply for staff to remember - strikes me as, indeed, needlessly complicating the issue.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 22:22:11 GMT -5
I love this idea. I've been wanting to reply to some of the 70's threads but I don't feel like going through every single page.
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Post by mkarns on Mar 19, 2015 23:27:15 GMT -5
Strongly agree with the title formatting. I like the idea of separating by decade too. Even if you did 2010-2 years ago, 2000-2009, 90s, 80s, 1979 and earlier or something. (not sure how much action music from the 50s,60s,70s would get). Lately I see threads from songs that are 2 years old and I'm thinking...aren't they still on the charts somewhere? The decade arrangement is probably a good idea. One reason for duplicate threads is that people may not want to wade through 197 pages to find a thread on a song that was discussed years ago. Some songs released in certain time frames could fit into more than one decade, including turn of the decade hits (2009-10, 1999-2000, etc.); it would be up to the moderators to move them. I'd go by when they were the most popular on the chart or in pop culture overall, not necessarily when they were recorded or first released. Same goes for songs that people might post in the wrong decade by mistake (such as an early 1980s hit that someone might incorrectly think or recall as being from the 1970s.) Personally, I too have trouble so far thinking of songs from about 2010 on as "nostalgia" when so many of them have threads in other, more contemporaneous boards, but that's just me.
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Post by skizzo on Mar 20, 2015 10:15:25 GMT -5
The problem will be to decide which songs go where when they are released in the very gray era of for example 99/00. A lot of songs might've been released at the end of 1999 but only really peaked in 2000.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 10:21:53 GMT -5
I'm in favor. The easiest way to solve the year issue would be to use the year the track was released (not when it peaked). That's what I do in iTunes. There will still be instances of unreleased tracks or tracks that were released years after they were recorded (such as previously unreleased material on re-issues), where it may be difficult to decide where to put it, but for the vast majority it shouldn't be an issue. Sounds like a lot of work though with 10,000 threads to sort. Good luck Kurt.
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Post by allow that on Mar 20, 2015 11:10:34 GMT -5
In terms of moving old topics from the chart forums to Nostalgia, I kind of don't like that idea because the intention of the topic is so different. One is to follow chart movement; the other is to reminisce. And it's really nice to have a back catalog in each of the genre forum's where we can look back on old chart runs (organized chronologically) even if we don't bump them.
I think all other ideas posted here are brilliant.
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Post by Landmarx on Mar 20, 2015 22:48:10 GMT -5
You just need someone who knows those past decades fairly well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 2:03:09 GMT -5
You just need someone who knows those past decades fairly well. i think they have made it clear your opinions and feedback is not needed! xo
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Post by Landmarx on Mar 21, 2015 2:36:28 GMT -5
You just need someone who knows those past decades fairly well. i think they have made it clear your opinions and feedback is not needed! xo SO Goddamn true, Coco.
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Post by कामसूत्र on Mar 21, 2015 2:58:41 GMT -5
It's really important to have the threads formatted in one uniform way because it can be problematic sometimes when some do it how they want.
I am okay with topics being organized by decade, but it seems like it would be a lot of work to take all the topics and move them there one by one or in small groups.
Perhaps there could be an archive sub-board in each of the genre forums where threads can be moved after they have completed their runs so any additional discussion or questions related to those songs can take place there instead of locking the topics if someone bumps them later on. This may create more work for the staff as they would have to see which songs have finished their runs, but perhaps there could be 'section officers' who keep track of that and assist with that aspect of the work.
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Post by skizzo on Mar 21, 2015 12:32:54 GMT -5
I'm in favor. The easiest way to solve the year issue would be to use the year the track was released (not when it peaked). That's what I do in iTunes. There will still be instances of unreleased tracks or tracks that were released years after they were recorded (such as previously unreleased material on re-issues), where it may be difficult to decide where to put it, but for the vast majority it shouldn't be an issue. Sounds like a lot of work though with 10,000 threads to sort. Good luck Kurt. I feel peak date is far more important than release date. Some songs take forever to take off. Plus its peak date reflects when it was truly popular. Celine Dion's "That's The Way It Is" was released in 1999 but I can guarantee you its definitely a 2000 song.
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Post by Glove Slap on Mar 21, 2015 17:55:50 GMT -5
I think these are great ideas, especially songs being listed by decade. I also agree with the release date being the one chosen for areas that may be considered grey for some. Since this is largely a radio forum, people naturally know when things are actually released.
Another suggestion for this: A lot of the duplicate threads over the years seemed to have been born out of the search engine getting messed up. This is by no fault of anyone here of course, but it does mean that regardless of how the titles are formatted, they could still be difficult to find which would continue the duplicate issue. What about the possibility of "master lists" that are pinned to the top of every decade section where there were links to the threads within?
The lists could be organized by artists or by year, but the main purpose would be to have a sort of equivalent to the Hot 100 and BB 200 archive where things can be found easily and not be at the mercy of the search engine or trying to guess what the original thread was formatted like. The spoiler tag would be very helpful so you could just see the list of artists or the years and click on whichever one you wanted to browse.
To give an example of how this could be done, it would definitely not have to be done by one person. There could be an online document with multiple people having access and putting in links gradually with the proper coding. And then someone from the staff would copy it into the thread.
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Post by कामसूत्र on Mar 21, 2015 18:10:41 GMT -5
What about the possibility of "master lists" that are pinned to the top of every decade section where there were links to the threads within? The lists could be organized by artists or by year, but the main purpose would be to have a sort of equivalent to the Hot 100 and BB 200 archive where things can be found easily and not be at the mercy of the search engine or trying to guess what the original thread was formatted like. The spoiler tag would be very helpful so you could just see the list of artists or the years and click on whichever one you wanted to browse. To give an example of how this could be done, it would definitely not have to be done by one person. There could be an online document with multiple people having access and putting in links gradually with the proper coding. And then someone from the staff would copy it into the thread. I love this idea!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 13:04:21 GMT -5
I think these are great ideas, especially songs being listed by decade. I also agree with the release date being the one chosen for areas that may be considered grey for some. Since this is largely a radio forum, people naturally know when things are actually released. Another suggestion for this: A lot of the duplicate threads over the years seemed to have been born out of the search engine getting messed up. This is by no fault of anyone here of course, but it does mean that regardless of how the titles are formatted, they could still be difficult to find which would continue the duplicate issue. What about the possibility of "master lists" that are pinned to the top of every decade section where there were links to the threads within? The lists could be organized by artists or by year, but the main purpose would be to have a sort of equivalent to the Hot 100 and BB 200 archive where things can be found easily and not be at the mercy of the search engine or trying to guess what the original thread was formatted like. The spoiler tag would be very helpful so you could just see the list of artists or the years and click on whichever one you wanted to browse. To give an example of how this could be done, it would definitely not have to be done by one person. There could be an online document with multiple people having access and putting in links gradually with the proper coding. And then someone from the staff would copy it into the thread. GENIUS!
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Post by कामसूत्र on Mar 28, 2015 16:03:21 GMT -5
Kurt, so what has the staff decided to do based on these suggestions?
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Post by Kurt on Mar 28, 2015 16:37:15 GMT -5
Ah, thanks for bumping this back up - I was going to make a poll for people to vote on on Thursday, but then the forum was having loading issues and then I forgot. I just posted back to the staff for preliminary discussion (which ideas we prefer, which seem unmanageable, etc.) and then we'll bring it back for voting and/or more specific discussion soon.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on Mar 29, 2015 1:21:19 GMT -5
I definately support the catagorization by decades.
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Post by LBTrocks on Mar 30, 2015 0:13:53 GMT -5
I agree that all thread titles should be in the same format.
I'd also be okay with the forum being categorized by decades.
One thing I don't agree with is the idea of moving threads from the Radio and Singles forums to the Nostalgia forum. Part of the fun of the Nostalgia forum is simply sharing your thoughts on the song and seeing what other people have to say about it without having to wade through everything that was being posted/discussed during the song's actual run. If threads start being transferred like that I think the nostalgia section would lose the nostalgia part and just become a place to house song threads once they're no longer relevant on the charts.
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Post by EvanJ on Apr 14, 2015 15:12:47 GMT -5
Strongly agree with the title formatting. I like the idea of separating by decade too. Even if you did 2010-2 years ago, 2000-2009, 90s, 80s, 1979 and earlier or something. ( not sure how much action music from the 50s,60s,70s would get). Lately I see threads from songs that are 2 years old and I'm thinking...aren't they still on the charts somewhere? Responding to what I underlined, I would give decades from the 1980s to the present their own subforum/section and put all decades 1970s and earlier together. This would require five chronological sections, 1970s and before, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, and 2010s.
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Post by Kurt on Apr 14, 2015 17:30:04 GMT -5
That's worth considering - not sure how much we currently have from those genres, so it'll probably be easiest to look at that and merge things together if necessary after doing them by decade first.
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Post by grandelf on May 9, 2015 7:24:00 GMT -5
Could you move the many tagged threads to their respective sub-forums?
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