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Post by Mikey on Jun 30, 2015 6:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by Mikey on Jul 1, 2015 7:10:06 GMT -5
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Post by McCreerian on Jul 1, 2015 19:49:31 GMT -5
Radio is underestimating how popular this song could be just cause of Shawn's age. Age is just a number, talent should be the deciding factor. I caught a guy I work with who is 20 singing "Stitches" along with the radio (Charlotte plays Shawn) while he was working the other day. I asked him if he knew who sings that and he said no. I said it's a 16 y/o Shawn Mendes. Well the next day he told me he looked the video up on Youtube and ended up watching a ton of his stuff and is now going to get his album. Shawn has universal appeal with his music. It's not kid music. He doesn't have a kid voice. He writes/plays his own stuff that adults as well as kids can relate to. Taylor Swift did the same thing and it made her an overnight star at 16. I don't know why Top 40 radio has to make it so hard on Shawn cause he is young and has a penis (to put it bluntly). He has every "it" factor there is and if given the chance for his music to be heard by 90 million audience on Top 40 radio, he could sell out arenas by the time he's 18 just like Taylor did.
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Post by surfy on Jul 1, 2015 20:08:25 GMT -5
You guys... his song is higher on pop radio than it is on iTunes. Relax.
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Jul 1, 2015 20:21:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 6:42:20 GMT -5
You guys... his song is higher on pop radio than it is on iTunes. Relax. Agreed, but you gotta say it like Aaron Rodgers: R-E-L-A-X. It'll be fine. This week, it bolts 69-56 on the Hot 100 in its 5th week.
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Post by jjose712 on Jul 2, 2015 7:57:01 GMT -5
You guys... his song is higher on pop radio than it is on iTunes. Relax. Well, so it's Kaya Stewart (by 1000 positions) and radio it's treating her way better than Shawn. In my opinion radio will become irrelevant in a couple of years if they are unable to move on some politics. I understand that not all popular songs fit the format, but spinning the crap out of songs that are not really that popular and refusing to play other that are doing way better it's not going to work in the long run. Lately they don't even care about callout scores. There are some songs with excellent callout scores and selling well for their audience that radio refused to play more. It's supposed that pop radio it's about what's popular but in some cases it seems there are other things that are more important for them
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Post by Mikey on Jul 2, 2015 11:58:43 GMT -5
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Post by Mikey on Jul 3, 2015 7:03:58 GMT -5
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Post by Mikey on Jul 7, 2015 6:47:32 GMT -5
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Post by Future Captain on Jul 7, 2015 10:46:11 GMT -5
I don't understand, this is selling well and have a great callout scores, why the hell this haven't even reach top 30? Ageism in pop radio is so obvious that it hurts.
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Post by Mikey on Jul 8, 2015 7:54:56 GMT -5
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Post by divasummer on Jul 8, 2015 10:29:05 GMT -5
Sightly OT but pertaining to Shawn. Did they release "Somethings Big"? That song is Great. I put it on a mix and everytime it comes on it takes me a second to remember who it is and it reminds me of someone who's already really big. If they haven't put it out yet I could see that doing very well. It's extremely catchy and has a nice little hook within it.
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Post by jjose712 on Jul 8, 2015 12:31:26 GMT -5
Yes, they released Something big, it was his first proper single, and i think it was really great that the single flopped. That's not his sound, that's not the singer he wants to be and if that song ended being a hit he probably will be forced to sing copycat teen songs for a good amount of years.
I wouldn't be against the song being a hit if he had a previous hit with a song nearer to what he really wants. I understand why the label wanted that single (because it was the safest song) but they had a messy time back then, fortunately they seem more focused lately
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 8, 2015 12:43:17 GMT -5
I don't understand, this is selling well and have a great callout scores, why the hell this haven't even reach top 30? Ageism in pop radio is so obvious that it hurts. Ageism?
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Post by McCreerian on Jul 8, 2015 15:19:36 GMT -5
Pop radio will play teen females at the drop of a hat, but a teen male they look down their nose at. That's ageism on Pop radio today.
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Post by Future Captain on Jul 8, 2015 21:57:02 GMT -5
Pop radio will play teen females at the drop of a hat, but a teen male they look down their nose at. That's ageism on Pop radio today. Ironically enough, older females (40+) usually have hard times getting played by pop while the males don't have as much problem
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 8, 2015 22:10:24 GMT -5
Pop radio will play teen females at the drop of a hat, but a teen male they look down their nose at. That's ageism on Pop radio today. Isn't that sexism?
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Post by Future Captain on Jul 8, 2015 22:16:40 GMT -5
I don't understand, this is selling well and have a great callout scores, why the hell this haven't even reach top 30? Ageism in pop radio is so obvious that it hurts. Ageism? I'm talking more about how teen acts have trouble getting played by radio, just like divas past their 40s do.
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Post by nick64 on Jul 8, 2015 22:58:38 GMT -5
Pop radio will play teen females at the drop of a hat, but a teen male they look down their nose at. That's ageism on Pop radio today. Do they though? This decade, only six teen female acts have reached the top 10: -Selena Gomez (19) - "Love You Like A Love Song" -Cher Lloyd (18) - "Want U Back" -Demi Lovato (19) - "Give Your Heart A Break" -Lorde (16/17) - "Royals" / "Team" -Sidney Sierrota of Echosmith (17) - "Cool Kids" -4/5 of Fifth Harmony (17/18/19) - "Worth It" Selena, Demi, and 5H all built big fanbases before their songs reached the top teir. And even still, every song here took a pretty long time to climb the chart as well (Demi's song holds the record for longest trip to the top). Except Lorde's, but she's definitely not viewed as a traditional teen act by most. And neither is Echosmith on that note. Only Selena and Demi so far have continued to have hits but they both reached their 20s soon after the previously listed songs peaked. Aside from these, teen girls have struggled just as much as the boys. Selena and 5H both had their fair share of weak peaks before their breakthrough hit. Cher Lloyd never replicated "WUB"'s success. Other girl groups like Little Mix and G.R.L. have flopped. New Disney girls Bridgit Mendler and Zendaya crawled to moderate peaks and haven't done anything since. Becky G had decent success with "Shower", but its sales outshined its radio performance and she's flopped otherwise. Bea Miller's singles are actually struggling right now despite very good sales. The males have had similar successes and flops. A few songs from Justin Bieber, One Direction, and The Wanted have all reached the top 10. But JB had many flops before his three big hits, 1D consistently flop out in the top 20, and The Wanted have been a joke since "Glad You Came". Other teen acts like Austin Mahone and 5 Seconds of Summer have gained the same moderate radio backing as some of the previously mentioned female acts. Big Time Rush had two decent radio successes despite crap sales. Even Martin Garrix managed to get one of the biggest instrumental hits of recent memory. Only Cody Simpson off the top of my head was a massive flop. Shawn is struggling, but he's still chugging along and "Stitches" will probably peak right around #20 like most teen singles. So I don't see too much sexism here. The bigger issue is ageism. So many peaks in the lower teens or just complete flops all around. Only a few true big hits have broken through to smash regardless of gender.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Jul 8, 2015 23:00:50 GMT -5
I'm talking more about how teen acts have trouble getting played by radio, just like divas past their 40s do. If it's what their target demographic wants to hear. Though with that said, it is strange that pop radio's target is like 15-24 or something and male teen-oriented acts always have trouble getting airplay. It took Justin Bieber a bunch of tries before he was finally able to get a Top 10 hit and I think One Direction still have only one, maybe two, Top 10s on pop radio. I suppose maybe the thought is that these acts are seen as being more of a target for pre-teens to teens so the upper half of Pop's target isn't interesting in hearing their music until after several years when the upper half is made up of people who previously loved them. Sorry, that probably makes no sense but in my head it does. It's like, Justin Bieber's fanbase was made up of, let's say, 10-16 year olds in 2009, so when he released music in 2012, those fans were 13-19, making up a larger chunk of the 15-24 demographic of pop radio. I dunno, just a theory anyway.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 9, 2015 1:17:05 GMT -5
I'm surprised this isn't doing better, but at the same time, comparing it to the other teen singles, I guess it makes sense for it not be totally blowing up. Too bad though because this is excellent and I'd love to see it be a big hit.
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Post by jjose712 on Jul 9, 2015 6:00:05 GMT -5
Pop radio will play teen females at the drop of a hat, but a teen male they look down their nose at. That's ageism on Pop radio today. Do they though? This decade, only six teen female acts have reached the top 10: -Selena Gomez (19) - "Love You Like A Love Song" -Cher Lloyd (18) - "Want U Back" -Demi Lovato (19) - "Give Your Heart A Break" -Lorde (16/17) - "Royals" / "Team" -Sidney Sierrota of Echosmith (17) - "Cool Kids" -4/5 of Fifth Harmony (17/18/19) - "Worth It" Selena, Demi, and 5H all built big fanbases before their songs reached the top teir. And even still, every song here took a pretty long time to climb the chart as well (Demi's song holds the record for longest trip to the top). Except Lorde's, but she's definitely not viewed as a traditional teen act by most. And neither is Echosmith on that note. Only Selena and Demi so far have continued to have hits but they both reached their 20s soon after the previously listed songs peaked. Aside from these, teen girls have struggled just as much as the boys. Selena and 5H both had their fair share of weak peaks before their breakthrough hit. Cher Lloyd never replicated "WUB"'s success. Other girl groups like Little Mix and G.R.L. have flopped. New Disney girls Bridgit Mendler and Zendaya crawled to moderate peaks and haven't done anything since. Becky G had decent success with "Shower", but its sales outshined its radio performance and she's flopped otherwise. Bea Miller's singles are actually struggling right now despite very good sales. The males have had similar successes and flops. A few songs from Justin Bieber, One Direction, and The Wanted have all reached the top 10. But JB had many flops before his three big hits, 1D consistently flop out in the top 20, and The Wanted have been a joke since "Glad You Came". Other teen acts like Austin Mahone and 5 Seconds of Summer have gained the same moderate radio backing as some of the previously mentioned female acts. Big Time Rush had two decent radio successes despite crap sales. Even Martin Garrix managed to get one of the biggest instrumental hits of recent memory. Only Cody Simpson off the top of my head was a massive flop. Shawn is struggling, but he's still chugging along and "Stitches" will probably peak right around #20 like most teen singles. So I don't see too much sexism here. The bigger issue is ageism. So many peaks in the lower teens or just complete flops all around. Only a few true big hits have broken through to smash regardless of gender. The Wanted weren't teens (that's probably part of their problem they were young men from the beginning). One Direction is an exception but even there had way less success on radio than on sales. Justin Bieber needed a lot of time to break the radio walls, he was incredibly popular but his singles always hit a wall when they reached top 20. Shawn has a lot of fans from the very beginning, but he is getting less succs (on radio) that girls with a lot less fanbase (Becky G is a good exmple). This is his most successful single till now (on radio) and it's not even top 30. In general, girls are an easy sale in comparission, which is quite curious because teen boy singer's fanbases use to be bigger and rabid
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jul 9, 2015 6:56:32 GMT -5
I hate that I love this. It's a really, really good song.
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 9, 2015 7:04:17 GMT -5
In general, girls are an easy sale in comparission, which is quite curious because teen boy singer's fanbases use to be bigger and rabid I think this is because it is easier to get a teenage boy and teenage girl to listen to a girl(s) (e.g. Selena Gomez) than it is to get a teenage boy and teenage girl to listen to a guy(s) (e.g. 5 Seconds of Summer)
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Post by Mikey on Jul 11, 2015 10:09:24 GMT -5
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Post by divasummer on Jul 11, 2015 10:31:38 GMT -5
Yes, they released Something big, it was his first proper single, and i think it was really great that the single flopped. That's not his sound, that's not the singer he wants to be and if that song ended being a hit he probably will be forced to sing copycat teen songs for a good amount of years. I wouldn't be against the song being a hit if he had a previous hit with a song nearer to what he really wants. I understand why the label wanted that single (because it was the safest song) but they had a messy time back then, fortunately they seem more focused lately LoL, I'm so immature I guess. I didn't even think of "Something Big" as having an overly teen sound. Though I guess it is a bit more poppy than most of the other music off of his cd.
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Post by jjose712 on Jul 11, 2015 15:16:28 GMT -5
Yes, they released Something big, it was his first proper single, and i think it was really great that the single flopped. That's not his sound, that's not the singer he wants to be and if that song ended being a hit he probably will be forced to sing copycat teen songs for a good amount of years. I wouldn't be against the song being a hit if he had a previous hit with a song nearer to what he really wants. I understand why the label wanted that single (because it was the safest song) but they had a messy time back then, fortunately they seem more focused lately LoL, I'm so immature I guess. I didn't even think of "Something Big" as having an overly teen sound. Though I guess it is a bit more poppy than most of the other music off of his cd. Well, maybe it's the opposite (i'm extremely old for this forum standards :)) What i wanted to say is Something big is a typical teen pop song, it could be sing by Shawn, by Austin Mahone or by whatever other teen singer. I think that's the point, it's better for him to have a hit first with something less poppy but more representative of the music he want to make
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Post by Mikey on Jul 12, 2015 6:49:51 GMT -5
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Post by Mikey on Jul 13, 2015 7:45:44 GMT -5
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