Iggy Azalea | Hotter Than Hell

[wavey.]

I won't get into it, but it has something to do with Iggy portraying a southern black woman who went through the struggle.

[tamed09]

I can't lmfao

[think pink.]

Jun 12, 2015 19:38:01 GMT -5 woabritney said:

Also, did Eminem get any backlash like this? Did Vanilla Ice?

Vanilla Ice? Yeah.

But Eminem didn't b/c of his raw talent and the fact that he really was a white trash dude from Detroit.

He also addressed his white privilege rather than dismiss the claims.

[tinawina]

Jun 12, 2015 19:38:01 GMT -5 woabritney said:

Can I get a mini summary as to why there is all this negativity towards Iggy?

Also, did Eminem get any backlash like this? Did Vanilla Ice?

Eminem, Vanilla Ice, Maclemore all got backlash. But so did Nicki Minaj, Drake, MC Hammer etc. LOL. Basically almost any rapper who blows up with multiple pop radio hits is going to get the business. That's how hip hop is, it's very similar to rock that way.

When it happens most people defend themselves in their rhymes and eventually most of it goes away, or the person is so talented everybody shuts up. All the white ones really have to do is 1.be really good and 2. acknowledge that being white is an asset, and people leave them alone. Iggy's problem is she's only an okay rapper and she's really defensive on top of it. Her tendency to cast herself as the victim and dismiss her critics as jealous or sexist just made things worse.

If she steps up the quality and finally acknowledges that she really has benefitted from being a blonde white woman she can recover. Being just a little contrite would go a long way.

[slw84]

Jun 11, 2015 23:55:08 GMT -5 think pink. said:

Aunt Wendy likes Iggy, she says it all the time and defends her. She's just being honest and saying what most are about the state of Iggy's career right now.

Funny that she scrapped the album and is starting from scratch. I was thinking the other day how that "bragadocious" type of music she said she was doing wasn't going to work this time around. It'll be interesting to see where she takes her music now and how the roll out for the album will be + reception. People's standards are low and that usually works in artist's favor.

Wendy flip flops all the time on her. One minute she's talented and leave her alone. The next minute her career is over and she's not all that.

Wendy has a struggle to get the name of songs and movie titles right. Her delivery is what makes her great not the actual tea she spills...
that said, I remember she was aiming to go the styel of making songs that don't rely on a chorus...I knew that wouldn't work.


IGGY needs to cater to the audience that still embraces her (Pop and rhythmic) urban will never embrace her because she's a white FEMALE rapper that was more successful then they thought.

They thought she was going to be a one hit wonder.

After 1 year mainstream she sold 20 million records WW, won top rap artist awards, was nominated in major categories at the grammy's (name other female rappers that have done that recently) and her flop song with Queen Britney is still getting decent video views...also, the viral video for trouble surging sales and beg for it going platinum only confirms that the demand is still there...she needs to cater to it.
I'm glad she scrapped it but I hope that she spends the rest of this year giving us bops.

She doesn't have to make bragging rights song or songs that make her a victim.

Black widow still gets decent spins because it's a relatable song.
When other rappers are talking about stereotypical things she needs to talk about things that relate to people on a universal level (love, happiness, heartbreak, triumph, fun feel good moments etc.)

Jun 12, 2015 13:53:43 GMT -5 QAF said:

She needs to go into hiding for awhile and let it die down.

I say record from June-December on new material and more recording the first quarter of 2016 but release a new single by Feb/March 2016.

Jun 12, 2015 23:34:30 GMT -5 think pink. said:

Jun 12, 2015 19:38:01 GMT -5 woabritney said:

Also, did Eminem get any backlash like this? Did Vanilla Ice?

Vanilla Ice? Yeah.

But Eminem didn't b/c of his raw talent and the fact that he really was a white trash dude from Detroit.

He also addressed his white privilege rather than dismiss the claims.

Eminem also had the co sign of Dr. dre and he was a "rebellious" rapper so it's not just about his talent


Had Eminem came out with Mackelmore's image I doubt he'd be as successful despite his talent.
Many consumers of his music that relate to him more than a black rapper was not so much for living a similar life as it was seeing a white artist do "urban music" better than most.

The fact that he was so controversial put more attention on him. With a macklemore style image I don't think it would have been the same.


Iggy has two things against her from the top. Female and White in an urban dominated genre. She could be poor or exceptional with her artistry and still face backlash if she's more successful then people want her to be.

[Love Plastic Love]

Pretty much every white rapper gets backlash like Iggy got, but I don't think she handled it very well. Eminem is a good example. He pretty openly addressed that him being white made the dynamic different and acknowledged that it gave him some opportunities that black artists wouldn't have. Not that Em is perfect, but he is pretty aware of racial dynamics which has helped him in his genre. I honestly don't think Iggy is very educated about race relations in America from her responses and she ended up coming off as not self-aware at all and, at times, whiny. If I were her manager, that is one of the first areas I would have changed

[tamed09]

If she were to do a random interview about how she's afforded luxuries that others aren't it still wouldn't help her no matter how vital it went and people saw it...people's minds have been determined. To be quite honest though I don't feel that her record buying audience are even the ones who care so much about appropriation and all that kinda stuff. Again she needs to focus all her efforts toward the music being great and she will be fine from that standpoint.

[tinawina]

Jun 13, 2015 9:07:56 GMT -5 slw84 said:

Had Eminem came out with Mackelmore's image I doubt he'd be as successful despite his talent.
Many consumers of his music that relate to him more than a black rapper was not so much for living a similar life as it was seeing a white artist do "urban music" better than most.

The fact that he was so controversial put more attention on him. With a macklemore style image I don't think it would have been the same.


Iggy has two things against her from the top. Female and White in an urban dominated genre. She could be poor or exceptional with her artistry and still face backlash if she's more successful then people want her to be.

Not to pick on you, but I strongly believe this is the exact attitude that has lead to her backlash gaining strength. The last thing her supporters need to do is encourage her in this line of thinking in Iggy.

Soulja Boy is as black. male and urban as it gets and he had a hell of a backlash. Do you think people didn't come for Jay Z early in his crossover career as well? He was called sellout all over the place. Even now people pop up dissing him every few years. People love Kendrick Lamar now but let him get a string of pop hits. They'd come for his neck too. There were already rumblings when he released that extra poppy single.

IGGY IS NOT SPECIAL. Backlash is part of the game. You blow up, you get hit with whatever criticism will fit the situation.

Being a pretty white female would actually be an advantage if she played her cards right... I mean, she's already had more male rappers coming out to defend her than Nicki ever did. LOL.

This idea that she's been specially targeted for criticism is what makes her so defensive. Everybody is either "sexist", "racist" or "jealous" in her mind and none of them could ever be making a valid point. There is sexism and whatnot in hop hop, but not everything that comes at her can be attributed to that. When you start getting snide with the likes of Q-Tip you need to slow down and rethink things for a minute. She's coming across as a person who ABSOLUTELY REFUSES to acknowledge her privilege and keeps crying victim while doing it. Meanwhile, she does nothing to refute the idea she's just a mediocre copycat. It's biting her in the ass. I do think a lot of it is because she just doesn't get American race relations, and that is where her team should have stepped in.

BTW, her backlash has reached the pop audience as well. Just scroll through the comments in any Iggy article.

I don't think she's a great rapper but she's not horrible either. She could salvage her career with the right moves, but right now she just has a really bad, unlikeable image with too many people, and it's not just hip hop purists complaining.

[Love Plastic Love]

Jun 13, 2015 10:21:35 GMT -5 tamed09 said:

If she were to do a random interview about how she's afforded luxuries that others aren't it still wouldn't help her no matter how vital it went and people saw it...people's minds have been determined.

We will have to agree to disagree. When she was REALLY hot and popular and people still loved her, I think there was a chance to react to people in a way that would have made her seem more credible or likable. Some would still hate her, but the way she reacted was absolutely terrible and, in some cases, pretty embarrassing and this is coming from someone who supported her pretty avidly at the beginning. I am not sure what you mean by random because she did give interviews over the subject matter, but instead of openly discussing racial relations and tensions in America, she acted extremely defensively and whined about how mean people are to her which basically made everything that happened a much bigger deal, fanning the flames and making people hate her more. It actually sort of reminded me of Gaga shooting herself in the foot by sounding way, way too defensive and sensitive and whiny to criticism rather than just acting chill about it or responding in an educated, mature manner. I love Gaga too, but jesus she needed to shut up sometimes.


Step 1 for me, still, would have been a complete change in how she handled her PR over the last year or two while taking some notes from Eminem about how to handle discussing very tricky, sensitive race issues in her chosen genre of music and criticism in general for that matter.

[tamed09]

So let's say she went and marched in Ferguson or Baltimore, and a pic was taken of her doing it? You think that Black America would have said she's up for the cause and accepted her more because she supports issues within society race relations or oh she's heard the talk of appropriation so now she's just trying to save face?

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It would have been one thing if as those protests were going on she tweeted out support to the families or raised awareness of the issues. That might have showed people that she was a little woke about the problems that black men face every day in the United States. Going to the protests months afterward probably would have drawn backlash because ultimately that does come off like she's just going for a good look.

I think the problem though is that it is so obvious by now that she really doesn't know or care about these issues based on the 1,000,000 times she's showed her whole ass about them. It doesn't make sense to me to say "Oh she should have done this or that" because that's like operating on this assumption that she actually does understand what's going on when it's clear she doesn't based on the fact she's STILL doing that horrible blaccent after years of people voicing that it's not ok. The one time she tried to be like "See I get what you guys are talking about" she tweeted out a link to raise money for a different protest, could not even be bothered to keep up with what was going on that day.

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She dug the hole so deep at this point that any attempt to make amends for past wrongs is going to look like she's doing it completely out of self-interest. The ship to redemption sailed off last year.

[Keelzit]

Nicki also faced a mini backlash when she released her 2nd album which was half-filled with pop songs yet she managed to recover by making an excellent urban 3rd album. The hate will eventually fade out so all she needs to do is make a great album and it will all go away. I'm so against the notion that rappers or any other artist should only do one genre but making a good album in the genre she 'should' be making is definitely a step in the right way.

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We can dissect many things said and done but outside of those issues didn't she have one hit, one album wonder written all over her. She had all the criteria and it usually revolves around lack of talent.

I guess if she was only a pop star she could have lasted longer but nobody cares about her as a artist, nobody wants to see her perform live enough to pay $$ and she isn't really a personality when you hear her speak she is either dry or saying something to offend someone.

I know she was bragging about her star power after one album against other females so now she can delete those tweets too since they don't represent her current self like the others ones.

[wavey.]

Lmao

http://instagram.com/p/37xS-2F7-K

[RockaByeBaby]

D.R.U.G.S. omg I thought they'd never work together again :'( hope a few or at least one of the songs they might do together ends up on the project

[Linnethia Monique]

Bring back Ignorant Art IGGY!

[RockaByeBaby]

Shooting for The Late Late Show with James Corden.

[Love Plastic Love]

Jun 13, 2015 11:32:30 GMT -5 tamed09 said:

So let's say she went and marched in Ferguson or Baltimore, and a pic was taken of her doing it? You think that Black America would have said she's up for the cause and accepted her more because she supports issues within society race relations or oh she's heard the talk of appropriation so now she's just trying to save face?

This reply actually kind of proves my point. No, going to one protest would not make a difference, obviously. However, actually and genuinely caring about the race relations of the country you are trying to make a name in especially because you have chosen a genre and culture to emulate that historically reflects and deals with those racial issues? Yes, I am saying Iggy being able to, from the beginning, prove that she is aware and able to speak about those racial issues would have made a difference. I am not claiming literally every person who has an issue with her would have magically been ok with her, but her extremely ignorant, defensive responses made it way, way, way worse.
And before anyone jumps on me, I mean ignorant in the most general sense possible-not stupid, just lacking in knowledge. Which, makes sense. Iggy is young so why should she care about historical race relations in America? I get it, but I also think it hurt her to not be able to articulate her position in the rap world or the racial world of America more clearly and in a way that shows she did her homework.


But, again, we can agree to disagree. I will still think her entire career has been a PR disaster so far

A really hot song can be a game changer though so we will see what she comes out with for the next cd.

[wavey.]

Remembered when she GaGa'ed?

[RockaByeBaby]

^LOL whatchu mean? I loved the Glory shoot

[wavey.]

Jun 16, 2015 12:14:41 GMT -5 RockaByeBaby said:

^LOL whatchu mean? I loved the Glory shoot

[wavey.]

Jun 16, 2015 12:14:41 GMT -5 RockaByeBaby said:

^LOL whatchu mean? I loved the Glory shoot

[QAF]

Sorry if this has been posted but I found it to be a very interesting read and thought I'd share.

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2015/06/09/from-fancy-to-a-canceled-tour-a-breakdown-of-iggy-azaleas-demise/

[wavey.]

^Very informative. Look... she had a bomb ass year. She's not perfect, shit was bound to come her way. No one is safe. All we can hope for is that she'll bring fire for her Sophomore album. Even then, some you mfs opinions still won't change LMAO.

[Keelzit]

I don't live in the US so I'm not totally aware of the racial relations in the country. I understand that any artist should at least have basic knowledge on the roots of the music he/she's making but honestly, I cannot blame Iggy for loving rap/hip-hop music -or rather, sound- and thus deciding to make a career on that. Call it ignorance but she's just a girl who liked the sound of a specific genre and decided to make songs with a similar sound. Is that truly so disrespectful?

[RockaByeBaby]

Mess, if we only get new music in 2016.........
then again we all know she can't keep a secret anyway so

[tinawina]

Jun 16, 2015 15:36:48 GMT -5 wavey. said:

^Very informative. Look... she had a bomb ass year. She's not perfect, s**t was bound to come her way. No one is safe. All we can hope for is that she'll bring fire for her Sophomore album. Even then, some you mfs opinions still won't change LMAO.

Eh, she'll live. The backlash is so OTT That eventually the tide will turn in her favor. There will be a backlash against the backlash. LOL. If she lays low for a minute then puts out some extra catchy music when the time is right and doesn't act the fool she will recover just fine, at least her primarily pop audience.

[Kishi KCM]

Jun 16, 2015 17:03:28 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

I don't live in the US so I'm not totally aware of the racial relations in the country. I understand that any artist should at least have basic knowledge on the roots of the music he/she's making but honestly, I cannot blame Iggy for loving rap/hip-hop music -or rather, sound- and thus deciding to make a career on that. Call it ignorance but she's just a girl who liked the sound of a specific genre and decided to make songs with a similar sound. Is that truly so disrespectful?

The history of the United States was built on uprooting the natives, slavery, and oppression. The effects of slavery and segregation have created long term socio-economic and mental disadvantages for minorities. Society has progressed with many civil rights for women, gays, and now trans, but sexism, homophobia, transphobia, and racism will never disappear.

Some people will see Iggy as just another female rapper, others will always see her as some evil privileged "cultural appropriator". I can't wait for that term to die already. But hip-hop isn't for the faint of heart, you better come ready and prepared if you want to float in that genre. And when lovers of the genre feel like a stranger is coming in and taking something that belongs to them and benefiting from privileges of the majority, it's going to be a tough pill for some to swallow.

While I don't think she should totally abandon hip-hop, I do think she's in need of an upgrade/change of direction in image, sound, and performance.

[RockaByeBaby]