Tinashe – Songs For You

[Live Your Life]

She always comes off really entitled to me. I mean, her album bombed, she doesn't sell singles, nor does she do well in streaming. She's lucky that they've even financed a second album, IMO. I don't see how they're recouping any money from her at all. She's one of those acts that might have been better off staying an indie artist.

[offsir]

May 6, 2016 22:16:17 GMT -5 Live Your Life said:

She always comes off really entitled to me. I mean, her album bombed, she doesn't sell singles, nor does she do well in streaming. She's lucky that they've even financed a second album, IMO. I don't see how they're recouping any money from her at all. She's one of those acts that might have been better off staying an indie artist.

Entitled? How so? Yeah she hasn't hit since 2on that's why they got her in the studio Sony wants to recoup this go round.And she couldn't have stayed indie her parents where funding the mixtape run.

[Zinc.]

Is her album still called Joyride?

[FoolMoonz]

May 8, 2016 11:24:19 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

Is her album still called Joyride?

That's what I was wondering too, as Rihanna took the title track :|

But is the album still set to be released tho ? She did the label dirty by speaking too much, now they're paying her back for it. That Chris Brown feud was unnecessary, she didn't need to shade him like this. I really like her and I do wait for her album but sometimes I find that she's acting a bit ungrateful.

[Zinc.]

She should've just stayed indie tbh. She's stroking a lot of folks the wrong way with her attitude and vibe she gives off. In the long run might cause her to be blackballed.

[offsir]

May 8, 2016 14:54:55 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

She should've just stayed indie tbh. She's stroking a lot of folks the wrong way with her attitude and vibe she gives off. In the long run might cause her to be blackballed.

Do u mean her attitude as far talking about industry biz in the DM's? Or something else?

[Zinc.]

May 8, 2016 18:56:34 GMT -5 offsir said:

May 8, 2016 14:54:55 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

She should've just stayed indie tbh. She's stroking a lot of folks the wrong way with her attitude and vibe she gives off. In the long run might cause her to be blackballed.

Do u mean her attitude as far talking about industry biz in the DM's? Or something else?

That and just rubbing people the wrong way in general. She comes off like she's above things when she really just need to follow suit, wait in line, and pay her dues. If she doesn't like how things are operated leave the mainstream and just be indie.

[allow that]

I don't think she should have stayed indie. I think with the right label she easily could have been the female answer to The Weeknd's success last year. I agree that staying indie would have been better than where she's at now though.

I agree about her attitude. It's one thing to vent about the label's fuckery, but remember that infamous incident when she yelled at her own fans on Snapchat late last year for not buying "Player"?

[Zinc.]

Yeah she's not going to last in this industry long with that attitude. I feel like her project is going to get shelved at the rate she's headed.

[offsir]

May 8, 2016 19:47:49 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

May 8, 2016 18:56:34 GMT -5 offsir said:

Do u mean her attitude as far talking about industry biz in the DM's? Or something else?

That and just rubbing people the wrong way in general. She comes off like she's above things when she really just need to follow suit, wait in line, and pay her dues. If she doesn't like how things are operated leave the mainstream and just be indie.

I don't think its above all things with her its just that...She lacks patience going from indie where u make all the decisions to having to deal with other peoples opinions (a room full of people) before a move is made is hard thing to get use to...and lets be real here its not like she was getting proper promo.

[offsir]

May 8, 2016 19:51:10 GMT -5 allow that said:

I don't think she should have stayed indie. I think with the right label she easily could have been the female answer to The Weeknd's success last year. I agree that staying indie would have been better than where she's at now though.

I agree about her attitude. It's one thing to vent about the label's fuckery, but remember that infamous incident when she yelled at her own fans on Snapchat late last year for not buying "Player"?

The Snapchat thing about player was a joke that went over peoples heads social media took it as her being serious when it really wasn't.Why would anybody s**t on their fan base without them u r nothing. Following suit got her nowhere ex player 2on (a hit )All hands on deck remixs rap features she don't want and the shit storm backlash its not like she hasn't played ball with the label but after while if the label aint doing what they should u will buck the system anybody would. but I will say she needs to learn how to pick her battles.

[offsir]

May 8, 2016 21:50:49 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

Yeah she's not going to last in this industry long with that attitude. I feel like her project is going to get shelved at the rate she's headed.

I don't think it will be shelved the label wants back in the studio...We shall see if she can get the album out by june

[Zinc.]

May 9, 2016 0:09:26 GMT -5 offsir said:

May 8, 2016 19:47:49 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

That and just rubbing people the wrong way in general. She comes off like she's above things when she really just need to follow suit, wait in line, and pay her dues. If she doesn't like how things are operated leave the mainstream and just be indie.

I don't think its above all things with her its just that...She lacks patience going from indie where u make all the decisions to having to deal with other peoples opinions (a room full of people) before a move is made is hard thing to get use to...and lets be real here its not like she was getting proper promo.

Well she has her label to blame for that. RCA is a horrible label for urban artist. Their urban division is in the PITS

[Zinc.]

May 9, 2016 0:23:54 GMT -5 offsir said:

May 8, 2016 21:50:49 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

Yeah she's not going to last in this industry long with that attitude. I feel like her project is going to get shelved at the rate she's headed.

I don't think it will be shelved the label wants back in the studio...We shall see if she can get the album out by june

I won't hold my breath

[offsir]

May 9, 2016 0:24:01 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

May 9, 2016 0:09:26 GMT -5 offsir said:

I don't think its above all things with her its just that...She lacks patience going from indie where u make all the decisions to having to deal with other peoples opinions (a room full of people) before a move is made is hard thing to get use to...and lets be real here its not like she was getting proper promo.

Well she has her label to blame for that. RCA is a horrible label for urban artist. Their urban division is in the PITS

And  that's why u see her shitting on the label because if u look back she wasn't doing that before she was playing  the game.

[Zinc.]

May 9, 2016 0:45:50 GMT -5 offsir said:

May 9, 2016 0:24:01 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

Well she has her label to blame for that. RCA is a horrible label for urban artist. Their urban division is in the PITS

And  that's why u see her shitting on the label because if u look back she wasn't doing that before she was playing  the game.

True. But every artist go through it though. It's the norm in the industry. Is she gonna lash out every time something goes wrong or not according to plan? Sometimes you gotta take the high road and swallow your pride and take an L for the team so she can be where she want to be in the future.

[offsir]

May 9, 2016 9:15:59 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

May 9, 2016 0:45:50 GMT -5 offsir said:

And  that's why u see her shitting on the label because if u look back she wasn't doing that before she was playing  the game.

True. But every artist go through it though. It's the norm in the industry. Is she gonna lash out every time something goes wrong or not according to plan? Sometimes you gotta take the high road and swallow your pride and take an L for the team so she can be where she want to be in the future.

True.I Also feel like u don't know what these label heads said in meetings promising things that they haven't delivered on mean while ur out there giving the rehearsed answer on the player record and having to deal with interviews that seem like one big brain cell kill u would lash out as well...But luckily she isn't really on social media right now outside of liking tweets so its good for her and I'm sure everything shall work out fine.Your only as successful as your team and the support u get.

[Zinc.]

May 9, 2016 19:50:20 GMT -5 offsir said:

May 9, 2016 9:15:59 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

True. But every artist go through it though. It's the norm in the industry. Is she gonna lash out every time something goes wrong or not according to plan? Sometimes you gotta take the high road and swallow your pride and take an L for the team so she can be where she want to be in the future.

True.I Also feel like u don't know what these label heads said in meetings promising things that they haven't delivered on mean while ur out there giving the rehearsed answer on the player record and having to deal with interviews that seem like one big brain cell kill u would lash out as well...But luckily she isn't really on social media right now outside of liking tweets so its good for her and I'm sure everything shall work out fine.Your only as successful as your team and the support u get.

Again that's the norm in the industry. Labels and executives promises things but failed to deliver on their promises or usually don't keep their word. Probably in the beginning RCA was excited about her project but now not so much. Gotta look at the facts with Tinashe yes she's a talent but she hasn't generated much revenue for her label but a double platinum single. RCA kinda pulled the plug on her first era financially midway through. Now her new project is up in the air, still no release date and unsure about the album title. This era reminds me of ala Mya's Liberation era. It's messy, things are going on internally with her and label and a lot of questions fans have still remain unanswered.

[wavey.]

She's on the shitty end of everything. I'd be down for a revamp. It would be insulting for RCA to drop "Joy Ride" at this point after the delay, CB situation, no second single. Man.

[divasummer]

I thought they decided to push the album with "All My Friends"?
I thought maybe they were thinking of changing the title too????
Maybe I'm imagining that.....lol

[offsir]

May 10, 2016 9:43:24 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

May 9, 2016 19:50:20 GMT -5 offsir said:

True.I Also feel like u don't know what these label heads said in meetings promising things that they haven't delivered on mean while ur out there giving the rehearsed answer on the player record and having to deal with interviews that seem like one big brain cell kill u would lash out as well...But luckily she isn't really on social media right now outside of liking tweets so its good for her and I'm sure everything shall work out fine.Your only as successful as your team and the support u get.

Again that's the norm in the industry. Labels and executives promises things but failed to deliver on their promises or usually don't keep their word. Probably in the beginning RCA was excited about her project but now not so much. Gotta look at the facts with Tinashe yes she's a talent but she hasn't generated much revenue for her label but a double platinum single. RCA kinda pulled the plug on her first era financially midway through. Now her new project is up in the air, still no release date and unsure about the album title. This era reminds me of ala Mya's Liberation era. It's messy, things are going on internally with her and label and a lot of questions fans have still remain unanswered.

I'm very aware how the industry works what I am saying is that is just adding to the backlash she is giving the label but I understand them  about pulling the plug on her promo budget for aquarius ..after 2on shit just  died so there was no reason to keep pumping money.The answer to your question on why this album ahs no release date is tinashe had no hits on the original version of joyride point blank and until she gives RCA the hit(s) it will remain that way.And she is bumping heads with the big boys at sony.She wants things her way and the label wants it their way maybe at some point tinashe will speak on it maybe not.

[offsir]

May 10, 2016 16:15:43 GMT -5 divasummer said:

I thought they decided to push the album with "All My Friends"?
I thought maybe they were thinking of changing the title too????
Maybe I'm imagining that.....lol

At one point they going to puah all my friends as a joyride single but tinashe starting talking to fans in DM's about label biz and instead of those fans being smart and keeping their mouth closed the dumbass's screenshotted the convo the RCA shut that shit down.And no joyride is still the name of the album.

[offsir]

May 10, 2016 10:19:33 GMT -5 wavey. said:

She's on the s**tty end of everything. I'd be down for a revamp. It would be insulting for RCA to drop "Joy Ride" at this point after the delay, CB situation, no second single. Man.

RCA wants to recoup so dropping it now it would sale two copies RCA is going fuck around and by the time joyride comes out no one is going to care and albums when sitting to long become dated...I know at some point they talked about just dropping her.But the revamp is happening for the album so we shall see how the label is going to do the roll out this go round.They better hurry up tho its May this shit was suppose to drop Nov15/Jan16

[Glove Slap]

May 10, 2016 21:04:50 GMT -5 offsir said:

May 10, 2016 16:15:43 GMT -5 divasummer said:

I thought they decided to push the album with "All My Friends"?
I thought maybe they were thinking of changing the title too????
Maybe I'm imagining that.....lol

At one point they going to puah all my friends as a joyride single but tinashe starting talking to fans in DM's about label biz and instead of those fans being smart and keeping their mouth closed the dumbass's screenshotted the convo the RCA shut that s**t down.And no joyride is still the name of the album.

Expecting fans to keep a secret is generally one of the least smart decisions an act can make. There's a reason why all these "secret" events that people do are done with virtually nothing more given out than "be here at this time". The event in particular I'm talking about was when Rihanna had that "premiere" for the BBHMM video where she showed up.

Regarding Tinashe, she's in a particularly tough spot because I'm assuming RCA fronted the cost for the producers who were meant to guide her in a crossover direction, with her coming from a debut that didn't move significant units even with a hit. There's just not that much capital, financial or otherwise, that she can work with regarding pushing through.

[Deleted]

May 10, 2016 20:59:39 GMT -5 offsir said:

The answer to your question on why this album ahs no release date is tinashe had no hits on the original version of joyride point blank and until she gives RCA the hit(s) it will remain that way.And she is bumping heads with the big boys at sony.She wants things her way and the label wants it their way maybe at some point tinashe will speak on it maybe not.

This is where I feel like she's screwed, because RCA sent her into the studio with Max and Luke for the express purpose of making hits...she came out with Player (a Max joint) and it did nothing. So if an album full of Max and Luke songs aren't hits, then what is? She clearly had urban/rhythmic hits (Party Favors, Energy, etc.) but the label was not interested in actually pushing any of that stuff.

RCA screwed Aquarius up by immediately following up a club banger with a lowkey ballad. It's already hard enough breaking past the one-and-done mentality that urban radio tends to have toward female artists as it is, and that confused the public as to what her brand/identity was before she even had a chance to really build one. IIRC RCA actually has not sent a single to urban since Pretend flopped and relegated her to rhythmic semi-staple, which is dumb for several reasons. Then you have this Joyride non-starter, where the label suits finally decide what lane they want to put her in and it's as a pop-r&b crossover act. She's now almost completely removed from the small brand she did have with 2 On...every time Tinashe looks up they are trying to push her in a different crowd's direction, none of which are working out.

Basically, what is even the point of holding on to her at this point other than spite, because it's clear that not only does RCA not know how to make money off her, but by yanking AMF (one true shot she had at the pop hit they want from her), are even willing to cut off the nose to spite the face just to "teach her a lesson."

I don't think Tinashe is arrogant or entitled for expecting more from her label; there isn't an artist in her situation who wouldn't feel the same frustration. But she IS a complete dumbass for sharing so much info with her fans and leaving a paper trail. Like, I'm not even mad at the fans for sharing it because I don't expect them to know any better. But Tinashe's total lack of social media training/plain old common sense is the final nail in the coffin; I sympathize with her to a large extent but this is where she is her own worst enemy. She doesn't know how to keep her mouth shut and stop oversharing, so I'm sure she will speak on the current situation at some point.

[Deleted]

Didn't she work with Max Martin and Dr Luke and like every major urban producer? How did she not get a hit out of any of them? The label has already sunk so much money into the production of this album, shelving it wouldnt make any sense.

[Zinc.]

May 10, 2016 20:59:39 GMT -5 offsir said:

May 10, 2016 9:43:24 GMT -5 Zinc. said:

Again that's the norm in the industry. Labels and executives promises things but failed to deliver on their promises or usually don't keep their word. Probably in the beginning RCA was excited about her project but now not so much. Gotta look at the facts with Tinashe yes she's a talent but she hasn't generated much revenue for her label but a double platinum single. RCA kinda pulled the plug on her first era financially midway through. Now her new project is up in the air, still no release date and unsure about the album title. This era reminds me of ala Mya's Liberation era. It's messy, things are going on internally with her and label and a lot of questions fans have still remain unanswered.

I'm very aware how the industry works what I am saying is that is just adding to the backlash she is giving the label but I understand them  about pulling the plug on her promo budget for aquarius ..after 2on s**t just  died so there was no reason to keep pumping money.The answer to your question on why this album ahs no release date is tinashe had no hits on the original version of joyride point blank and until she gives RCA the hit(s) it will remain that way.And she is bumping heads with the big boys at sony.She wants things her way and the label wants it their way maybe at some point tinashe will speak on it maybe not.

I wasn't asking a question I was saying/speaking in general. Yeah I'm well aware she generated no hits this era with any new material. Maybe spark interest but generated a hit no.

[offsir]

May 10, 2016 21:43:05 GMT -5 @soblu said:

Didn't she work with Max Martin and Dr Luke and like every major urban producer? How did she not get a hit out of any of them? The label has already sunk so much money into the production of this album, shelving it wouldnt make any sense.

Well on paper Max Martin and Dr. Luke equal top 40 hits and everyone thought the crossover pop hit was player and it should have but once chris brown was put on the song shit went left the backlash was instant hell u had a editor from Nylon mag the mag she is just featured in write her a open letter and her fans weren't  feeling it as well and RCA  just said fuck it very quickly.They stopped all promo and put the focus on Zayn and yeah the label wants the money they lost so back in the studio they send her to give them that hit.

[offsir]

May 10, 2016 21:40:18 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

May 10, 2016 21:04:50 GMT -5 offsir said:

At one point they going to puah all my friends as a joyride single but tinashe starting talking to fans in DM's about label biz and instead of those fans being smart and keeping their mouth closed the dumbass's screenshotted the convo the RCA shut that s**t down.And no joyride is still the name of the album.

Expecting fans to keep a secret is generally one of the least smart decisions an act can make. There's a reason why all these "secret" events that people do are done with virtually nothing more given out than "be here at this time". The event in particular I'm talking about was when Rihanna had that "premiere" for the BBHMM video where she showed up.

Regarding Tinashe, she's in a particularly tough spot because I'm assuming RCA fronted the cost for the producers who were meant to guide her in a crossover direction, with her coming from a debut that didn't move significant units even with a hit. There's just not that much capital, financial or otherwise, that she can work with regarding pushing through.

I disagree she has fans that have kept their mouth shut its really just  boils down to the person...And she has always has had a open and honest dialog with her fan base before she got on but the fact that they put her on blast like that is the main reasons she is not on social media now I mean she was just being honest and it backfired on her .Yeah the label fronted the bill for Luke and Max but shit didn't pop tinashe can push thru it just she needs the right song and stop DM convo's.

[offsir]

May 10, 2016 21:41:25 GMT -5 @antigonerising said:

May 10, 2016 20:59:39 GMT -5 offsir said:

The answer to your question on why this album ahs no release date is tinashe had no hits on the original version of joyride point blank and until she gives RCA the hit(s) it will remain that way.And she is bumping heads with the big boys at sony.She wants things her way and the label wants it their way maybe at some point tinashe will speak on it maybe not.

This is where I feel like she's screwed, because RCA sent her into the studio with Max and Luke for the express purpose of making hits...she came out with Player (a Max joint) and it did nothing. So if an album full of Max and Luke songs aren't hits, then what is? She clearly had urban/rhythmic hits (Party Favors, Energy, etc.) but the label was not interested in actually pushing any of that stuff.

RCA screwed Aquarius up by immediately following up a club banger with a lowkey ballad. It's already hard enough breaking past the one-and-done mentality that urban radio tends to have toward female artists as it is, and that confused the public as to what her brand/identity was before she even had a chance to really build one. IIRC RCA actually has not sent a single to urban since Pretend flopped and relegated her to rhythmic semi-staple, which is dumb for several reasons. Then you have this Joyride non-starter, where the label suits finally decide what lane they want to put her in and it's as a pop-r&b crossover act. She's now almost completely removed from the small brand she did have with 2 On...every time Tinashe looks up they are trying to push her in a different crowd's direction, none of which are working out.

Basically, what is even the point of holding on to her at this point other than spite, because it's clear that not only does RCA not know how to make money off her, but by yanking AMF (one true shot she had at the pop hit they want from her), are even willing to cut off the nose to spite the face just to "teach her a lesson."

I don't think Tinashe is arrogant or entitled for expecting more from her label; there isn't an artist in her situation who wouldn't feel the same frustration. But she IS a complete dumbass for sharing so much info with her fans and leaving a paper trail. Like, I'm not even mad at the fans for sharing it because I don't expect them to know any better. But Tinashe's total lack of social media training/plain old common sense is the final nail in the coffin; I sympathize with her to a large extent but this is where she is her own worst enemy. She doesn't know how to keep her mouth shut and stop oversharing, so I'm sure she will speak on the current situation at some point.

On one hand I feel u about her oversharing but on the flip side she has always been open with her fans that's a good thing they feel like she is their friend in real life ....but as I said in a other post in this thread it backfired and after the first time her DM convo got screen shotted she should have stop that type of convo's .And RCA fucked up big time with the first album second single a ballad tho? this aint 1998 I Like the second single should have been Feels like Vegas or How Many Times and your right every artist wants to be giving proper promo for some odd reason they think she is  entitled and arrogant dunno shit is weird like why shouldn't she shoot for te stars lol she will learn from this.