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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Sept 3, 2007 20:18:40 GMT -5
I haven't read this thread front to back, page to page, so I don't know if it's been mentioned... But I guess I haven't congratulated rowdawg21's cousin Billy Montana on writing the number-one, all-time record-breaking Garth song. So congrats to him and the fellow writers. Hopefully he buys himself a nice vacation house with the profits he'll be raking in (assuming he doesn't have one). lol. Rowdawg tell your cousin congrats from me. The song is well written but Garth, marketing and radio making it #1 is the problem with the song for me.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Sept 3, 2007 20:28:08 GMT -5
I haven't read this thread front to back, page to page, so I don't know if it's been mentioned... But I guess I haven't congratulated rowdawg21's cousin Billy Montana on writing the number-one, all-time record-breaking Garth song. So congrats to him and the fellow writers. Hopefully he buys himself a nice vacation house with the profits he'll be raking in (assuming he doesn't have one). haha...Thanks! I'm sure he's loving this. The thing I'm wondering is if he'll make more money on this than "Suds In The Bucket" or "Bring On The Rain." Those two songs had long chart climbs, so Garth has a ways to go to catch those two songs in plays. And "Suds" still gets tons of spins.
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 3, 2007 20:56:17 GMT -5
The thing I'm wondering is if he'll make more money on this than "Suds In The Bucket" or "Bring On The Rain." I am a very big fan of both of those songs. Good stuff. :)
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Post by S4C on Sept 3, 2007 21:06:14 GMT -5
OT and a little foolish of myself for not knowing, but where exactly does a writer's money come from? The label of the artist who cut the song?...
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 3, 2007 21:38:44 GMT -5
OT and a little foolish of myself for not knowing, but where exactly does a writer's money come from? The label of the artist who cut the song?... I'm probably not the best person to answer this, but I would assume writers get money from artists/label for cutting the song (if the writer was not solely the artist) and then from radio airplay (if the song receives any). Someone can correct me if I'm wrong and elaborate on just how the process works.
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Post by popmusicaddict on Sept 3, 2007 22:15:43 GMT -5
Looks like Country radio has become as desperate as Rock with big names and debuts! Sadly, the best format with that now is CHR/Pop Least, like Rock radio (well with Foo Fighters at least) the song was actually good! Pretty good stuff from Garth, and obviously - I'm no fan (or even a big country fan period lol). The burn on this song is gonna be horrendous though Ok I'll stop trolling, enjoy your song! ;)
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Post by bigbluenote on Sept 3, 2007 22:46:49 GMT -5
So I guess this is one record that no one can beat.
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Post by fischbone on Sept 3, 2007 23:11:39 GMT -5
Has any artist,in any genre, ever debuted at #1?
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 4, 2007 0:15:56 GMT -5
Has any artist,in any genre, ever debuted at #1? Yes, this happens every now and then on the rock charts. Someone can chime in if they know of any other airplay-based charts that this has happened in.
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Post by queensporsche on Sept 4, 2007 0:19:43 GMT -5
Well, I finally took it upon myself to listen to this song. Now, I am no music expert, but correct me if I'm wrong about this: If this song were not sung by Garth Brooks it would NOT be a hit. The only reason it is getting any attention is because it's Garth Brooks. That is it. He can't even really hit the high notes any more, and there are much better singers out there right now. If I'm wrong, well, then I guess I'm wrong, but this song really isn't anything special, in my opinion. He has much better songs that were recorded 15 years ago! I really don't even see why he's doing this, except to make a quick buck at the expense of his loyal fans who buy almost everything he releases, even if they already have all the music multiple times. Can't blame the guy, though, I guess whatever he did worked! Enjoy it, Garth Fans!
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 4, 2007 0:34:23 GMT -5
Actually, I feel that if someone actually did a good job singing this and a producer didn't try to overblow the arrangements, it would be a pretty good song. The lyrics aren't too bad and I see where they were going with the melodies, but Garth didn't bring his A game, at least in my mind. It sounded like he was trying too hard. At any rate, no matter how great the song is, only ONE artist can pull off a #1 debut.
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Post by ontheroadwith on Sept 4, 2007 1:08:24 GMT -5
Well, I finally took it upon myself to listen to this song. Now, I am no music expert, but correct me if I'm wrong about this: If this song were not sung by Garth Brooks it would NOT be a hit. The only reason it is getting any attention is because it's Garth Brooks. That is it. He can't even really hit the high notes any more, and there are much better singers out there right now. If I'm wrong, well, then I guess I'm wrong, but this song really isn't anything special, in my opinion. He has much better songs that were recorded 15 years ago! I really don't even see why he's doing this, except to make a quick buck at the expense of his loyal fans who buy almost everything he releases, even if they already have all the music multiple times. Can't blame the guy, though, I guess whatever he did worked! Enjoy it, Garth Fans! What you are saying about this song can be said about hundreds of songs out there. Do you think that every Kenny Chesney or Tim McGraw song would peak as high as they do if another artist sang them? Uh...no. It's because of who they are. God knows if LAST DOLLAR had been recorded by a new artist they would have been laughed out of the building. That is how country works. It takes a good/decent/catchy song to break. Once you break, you could release a song called I POOPED IN A BAG ON YOUR DOOR STEP and it would crack the Top 10.
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Post by ontheroadwith on Sept 4, 2007 1:15:40 GMT -5
OT and a little foolish of myself for not knowing, but where exactly does a writer's money come from? The label of the artist who cut the song?... I'm probably not the best person to answer this, but I would assume writers get money from artists/label for cutting the song (if the writer was not solely the artist) and then from radio airplay (if the song receives any). Someone can correct me if I'm wrong and elaborate on just how the process works. The turn around on songs is about 6 months. It takes 6 months for a writer to see the money from a single. A writer gets a certain amount of money if the song is cut on a record. That money comes from the label/artist. They also get a portion of CD sales/download profits. If a song is a single, the money goes through their publishing house and is paid by radio. Radio pays for each song they play. Nowadays, the payments come from Clear Channel/Infinity Broadcasting and such. A song that has a longer climb/shelf-life will make a writer a lot more money than a song that is only on the charts for 20 weeks. For instance, the writers of FIND OUT WHO YOUR FRIENDS ARE are rolling in it while Big Kenny probably did just okay for LAST DOLLAR. Big Kenny probably did pretty good only because it was a solo write. Writers split profits if there is more than one. A friend of mine currently has a Top 15 single that has been on the charts for over 20 weeks. He will most likely make pretty good money because it is all based on total spins. This is why getting a Kenny, Tim, Rascal Flatts, Carrie, Keith cut is awesome for a writer because all of their songs remain well roatated in recurrent. Hope that helps.
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Post by queensporsche on Sept 4, 2007 1:26:09 GMT -5
Thanks for that explanation. So if what you're saying is true, then the writers of "Before He Cheats" must have made a fortune. It stayed on the country chart for weeks and weeks and just hit week 52 on the Billboard Hot 100, not to mention the weeks on the AC chart. That song may be one of the most played on all formats during the past year. I'd sure like to see those statistics if anyone has them.
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Post by ontheroadwith on Sept 4, 2007 1:29:15 GMT -5
They are filthy rich and will be for the rest of their lives. That being said based on the enormous radio success, huge download sales, huge record sales, and most likely to be spun like crazy for years. That is the kind of success that every writer dreams of. My guess is that they each have made well over a million dollars so far with plenty more to come.
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Post by sbp17 on Sept 4, 2007 6:18:45 GMT -5
No surprise that he dropped a bit. His audience took a 4 million hit, a bit less than half of the audience he accumulated last Monday when it debuted.
However, I'm surprised his spins didn't take a greater hit. If my forumula's not wrong, his spins yesterday were 1033, only 100 less than last Monday.
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Post by Alecia&Alicia on Sept 4, 2007 6:35:02 GMT -5
Airplay GARTH BROOKS - More Than A Memory 9/3/2007 Audience 34,701 Spins 5497
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 4, 2007 8:29:19 GMT -5
No surprise that he dropped a bit. His audience took a 4 million hit, a bit less than half of the audience he accumulated last Monday when it debuted. However, I'm surprised his spins didn't take a greater hit. If my forumula's not wrong, his spins yesterday were 1033, only 100 less than last Monday. Well, yesterday his 7-day cumulative spin total was over 4000. Today it's in the 3400's. By my estimation, he took a 600 spin hit from last Monday compared to yesterday. Interesting to see how the final numbers from this week will play out.
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Post by Zazie on Sept 4, 2007 9:59:52 GMT -5
Not picking on Queensporsche in particular, but I'm getting tired of all the comments about Garth's greed. I remember well that Garth kept his ticket prices way below the norm when he toured - way below - and he could have gotten top dollar. I think he was very generous to his fans. And it cost him plenty of profits -- more than you are going to earn in your lifetime, O Pulse Board members who are so quick to judge.
Sorry to intrude facts into this discussion. But some of the younger Pulsers will start to believe what is written here if nobody explains what Garth used to be about.
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Post by Fanofctrymusic on Sept 4, 2007 10:06:37 GMT -5
I recall Garth doing nine shows in MN because of the demand for tickets. He had semi trucks parked outside the Target center for donations for food for Feed The Children, just wish more would do things like this.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Sept 4, 2007 11:05:12 GMT -5
Not picking on Queensporsche in particular, but I'm getting tired of all the comments about Garth's greed. I remember well that Garth kept his ticket prices way below the norm when he toured - way below - and he could have gotten top dollar. I think he was very generous to his fans. And it cost him plenty of profits -- more than you are going to earn in your lifetime, O Pulse Board members who are so quick to judge. Sorry to intrude facts into this discussion. But some of the younger Pulsers will start to believe what is written here if nobody explains what Garth used to be about. Exactly. Not to mention the year at Fan Fair when he signed autographs for 23 hours straight. My cousin also told me a story about how Garth once promised a teacher to read to her middle school class when he had time. It took him a year or two to get around to it, but he never forgot about that promise. Garth isn't the monster that some make him out to be. Obviously I can't speak for him, but I think he cares more about being on top than he does about money. He has plenty of money.
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Post by Marv on Sept 4, 2007 11:22:33 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Kenny Chesney took a page from Garth's playbook as it relates to showing restraint on setting ticket prices?
He was #1 in ticket sales and #2 in $$$$ last year (behind Prince), and is projected to be #1 in both categories for 2007.
His cumulative ticket sales over past three years are also unsurpassed in the concert biz as well.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Sept 4, 2007 11:44:53 GMT -5
This reeks of payola.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Sept 4, 2007 11:48:30 GMT -5
We've already been through this, but... Obviously there was some sort of money involved. However, Garth and Big Machine have worked extremely hard promoting and marketing this new single. They had a press conference about the new album/single and Garth invited PDs to his home. I could go on.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Sept 4, 2007 12:30:58 GMT -5
dont u just luv these insightful comments
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Post by ericNY2002 on Sept 4, 2007 13:20:13 GMT -5
Has any artist,in any genre, ever debuted at #1? Yes, this happens every now and then on the rock charts. Someone can chime in if they know of any other airplay-based charts that this has happened in. It happened earlier this year as Linkin Park debuted at #1 on the Alternative chart with What I've Done. The difference between this and Garth is that What I've Done stayed at #1 for 15 weeks while Garth will surely freefall from #1 next week. Alternative is known for the high chart debuts on some of their core artists like Foo Fighters, Linkin Park etc etc
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Post by rowdawg21 on Sept 4, 2007 15:06:41 GMT -5
For what it's worth, this song scored a 91.50 on Hit Predictor. Out of all songs currently on the Billboard chart, only six scored higher.
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 4, 2007 15:14:41 GMT -5
dont u just luv these insightful comments What's worse, don't you love it when people are in denial of the obvious?
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Post by whynotnow on Sept 4, 2007 15:36:58 GMT -5
dont u just luv these insightful comments What's worse, don't you love it when people are in denial of the obvious? Yes... big time
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Post by rowdawg21 on Sept 4, 2007 15:40:46 GMT -5
dont u just luv these insightful comments What's worse, don't you love it when people are in denial of the obvious? I don't think dcowboy is in denial. It's just kind of annoying when people write posts like that which are under five words. If you're talking about the other 1-2 people who claim there was no money involved in getting this to the top, they're not regular visitors in this forum so I don't think they can be taken too seriously.
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