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Post by whynotnow on Sept 8, 2007 18:46:29 GMT -5
Oh heck. I can't think of his name. I know who you mean but can't remember I agree with the assessment of todays Country, and I also like some of todays" EXCUSE" for country. I don't like it being called Country...I would appreciate it more if is was played in its proper genre.... George and Alan, are still more Country today then even Brad, Atkins and Turner..... and those last 3 are the only modern one's who can even be remotely called Country. I'll add Luke Bryon to that list also. I'd like to toss Dierks Bentley's name into the remote country ring.... Of the other names you mentions. There is absolutely no doubt or confusion - George and Alan are country. BTW, what's the guys name (who had a song out on radio a few years back) who sounds a whole lot like Conway? Whatever happened to him? As "country" as I consider myself to be I actually don't mind a little RFlatts once in a while. Namely, "What hurts the Most" and "Fast Cars and Freedom". By the way, Garth is at minus spins on MB this morning... but I would never say I told you so I told you sol... Going to my room now.... Grin... Garth? Why are you dragging Garth into this? Were we discussing Garth? :o Well.... ok then - back to "More than a Memory". The song is good. I'm sure it more than satisfies the hunger of the fans who were starving for more Garth. Is the song spectacular? No. Is the song worthy of all this attention and going straight to #1. Sure, why not? It is Garth after all. Now, if only I could figure out "why" the lyrics saying "dailing 6 numbers, to hang up the phone....." Why 6? When I dial a phone number there's 10 numbers that I have to dial. Yup, I've counted 'em on my fingers. area code (xxx) xxx-xxxx. That equals 10! Why is he dialing only 6 numbers? Maybe he recorded this song a few years ago when the area cod wasn't required. Even still there was 7 numbers, not 6! I've calculated every possible combination of dialing phone numbers.... Even going back to my childhood when we (rotary dialed) 4 numbers down the road or 5 numbers to make a call to town. All these possibilities and never do I come up with the number 6! ??? Ma Bell, please help!
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Post by rowdawg21 on Sept 8, 2007 18:53:24 GMT -5
Oh heck. I can't think of his name. I know who you mean but can't remember I responded to that on the last page. Are you thinking of Jeff Bates?
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Post by dboulton on Sept 8, 2007 19:40:15 GMT -5
It would be a crime if Brooks & Dunn, Toby Keith, and even Brad Paisley were blocked by this cynical industry stitch-up The truth is that this song didn't block anyone else from getting to #1 - it just prevented Rodney Atkins from getting a second week. If Brooks & Dunn, Toby, or Brad don't get to #1 with their current singles, Garth certainly won't be to blame. I was responding to the suggestion that this song would rise again and return to the top.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Sept 8, 2007 19:46:39 GMT -5
The truth is that this song didn't block anyone else from getting to #1 - it just prevented Rodney Atkins from getting a second week. If Brooks & Dunn, Toby, or Brad don't get to #1 with their current singles, Garth certainly won't be to blame. I was responding to the suggestion that this song would rise again and return to the top. I know you were referring to that, but Brooks & Dunn, Toby, and Brad will all be well ahead of Garth on the next Billboard chart. I think if Garth re-passes any of them, it will be because of the popularity of the song. If Garth does pass any of those artists, I think the blame can be attributed to the record labels of those artists for not pushing their singles hard enough.
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Post by edwin1961 on Sept 9, 2007 5:50:44 GMT -5
I was responding to the suggestion that this song would rise again and return to the top. I know you were referring to that, but Brooks & Dunn, Toby, and Brad will all be well ahead of Garth on the next Billboard chart. I think if Garth re-passes any of them, it will be because of the popularity of the song. If Garth does pass any of those artists, I think the blame can be attributed to the record labels of those artists for not pushing their singles hard enough. I agree, Garth has his historical debut at number one and I hope the charts will 'return to normal' as the rightful songs take their deserving positions. As a side note: Yesterday I saw Lee Brice in concert here in cleveland as part of our yearly Country Jam. Lee performed the song he wrote for Garth MTAM. Lee's LIVE version is MUCH BETTER! I talked with Lee at the meet and greet and thanked him for writing the song and his performance of it.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Sept 9, 2007 12:08:48 GMT -5
Oh wow, this just really pissed me off: During the #1 party for MTAM-- ( CMT)
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 9, 2007 13:05:00 GMT -5
Losing spins today! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA You do realize that was inevitable after his huge first week, right? He'll probably fall to #7 or #8 this week, then rebound the week after that. Of course it was inevitble. The R&B Airplay list has had the same thing happen several times where a song debuts at #1 and the next week it falls to #2 only to return to #1 a week or two later.
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Post by lullaby on Sept 9, 2007 13:47:27 GMT -5
Oh wow, this just really pissed me off: During the #1 party for MTAM-- ( CMT) Ha ha - I love the comment as he has the front to say it with a straight face and nobody involved in the article has the bottle to raise it with him - If you've got it flaunt it I say ;)
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 9, 2007 14:34:42 GMT -5
This has to be the quote of the week (or month)!!! WOW! That guy never ceases to amaze me. :o
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Post by whynotnow on Sept 9, 2007 15:27:26 GMT -5
Oh heck. I can't think of his name. I know who you mean but can't remember I responded to that on the last page. Are you think of Jeff Bates? Yep.. That's the one... I've not heard anything from him in a while. Thanks for the memory push button..
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Post by whynotnow on Sept 9, 2007 15:29:59 GMT -5
Oh wow, this just really pissed me off: During the #1 party for MTAM-- ( CMT) Priceless huh? The man has more B***ls than anyone in the business
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 9, 2007 16:54:06 GMT -5
What Brooks was really thinking....
Asked if his No. 1 debut might set a precedent for new country singles, Brooks said, "I hope it's a rare thing because I want to be the only country artist to have a debut at #1. You see, I didn't "creatively promote" this single just to pave the way for other artists start debuting at #1. I have to be the best, you know."
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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Sept 9, 2007 18:58:46 GMT -5
What Brooks was really thinking.... Asked if his No. 1 debut might set a precedent for new country singles, Brooks said, "I hope it's a rare thing because I want to be the only country artist to have a debut at #1. You see, I didn't "creatively promote" this single just to pave the way for other artists start debuting at #1. I have to be the best, you know." Exactly!!! Brooks thing seems to be not about money (he probably has boatloads anyway) but about being the GREATEST and #1!!! I mean that is obviously why he is selling a double disc cd along with 33 videos for only 11 to 14 dollars. He wants to be the #1 selling artist in the US above Elvis and The Beatles.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Sept 9, 2007 19:04:58 GMT -5
What Brooks was really thinking.... Asked if his No. 1 debut might set a precedent for new country singles, Brooks said, "I hope it's a rare thing because I want to be the only country artist to have a debut at #1. You see, I didn't "creatively promote" this single just to pave the way for other artists start debuting at #1. I have to be the best, you know." Exactly!!! Brooks thing seems to be not about money (he probably has boatloads anyway) but about being the GREATEST and #1!!! I mean that is obviously why he is selling a double disc cd along with 33 videos for only 11 to 14 dollars. He wants to be the #1 selling artist in the US above Elvis and The Beatles. Is it such a bad thing to want to be #1 though? Most successful professional athletes probably think the same way.
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Post by bigbluenote on Sept 9, 2007 19:11:02 GMT -5
Exactly!!! Brooks thing seems to be not about money (he probably has boatloads anyway) but about being the GREATEST and #1!!! I mean that is obviously why he is selling a double disc cd along with 33 videos for only 11 to 14 dollars. He wants to be the #1 selling artist in the US above Elvis and The Beatles. Is it such a bad thing to want to be #1 though? Most successful professional athletes probably think the same way. True. And most successful professional athletes are complete egotistical attention whores. Oh wait, Garth is the same way. You know, it's not a bad thing to want to be number one at all. What rubs me the wrong way is someone actually blatantly admitting it.
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Post by S4C on Sept 9, 2007 19:43:17 GMT -5
HAHAHAHA I laughed SO hard today! I was in the car with my mom and she had the radio on (XM Highway 16). This comes on (obviously). We were having a conversation, so she didn't hear the first part, but after that conversation ended she heard the song. And she said (and I quote) "What the hell is this!? Garth Brooks? He sounds like a dying animal!"
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 9, 2007 19:49:41 GMT -5
^^^ Exactly. Shouldn't it be about making the best possible music you can make? You're biggest competition should be yourself, not outdoing everyone else. Why do industry records really matter? If you break them, great, but be gracious and humble about it.
As for the sports analogy, sports are different than music. In sports, the #1 goal is to be the best team. Period. It's a competitive endeavor by nature. In music, there's room for more than 1 great artist. In fact, the more the better. Does selling the most records mean you're the best artist? Does having the most #1's mean you're the best artist? What do those records really mean? I don't see George Strait bragging about his record for most #1's. I can understand personal goals, but not purposefully trying to out-do every other artist. Garth's in the wrong line of work if that's his goal. Trouble is, he's already tried that (professional sports).
When it comes to the music business, isn't doing what you love for a living, getting paid well for it, and having millions of fans and dozens of artists citing you as insipiration all you can really ask for?
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Post by sbp17 on Sept 9, 2007 20:03:13 GMT -5
Is it such a bad thing to want to be #1 though? Most successful professional athletes probably think the same way. rowdawg, I'd give it up. Until Garth gets out of the spotlight again, every little thing he does will receive criticism. I'm not the biggest Garth fan either but he's not exactly the anti-Christ. But, he probably had a hand in Tim being snubbed by the CMAs.
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 9, 2007 20:17:17 GMT -5
rowdawg, I'd give it up. Until Garth gets out of the spotlight again, every little thing he does will receive criticism. I'm not the biggest Garth fan either but he's not exactly the anti-Christ. But, he probably had a hand in Tim being snubbed by the CMAs. I don't think Garth is evil by any stretch of the imagination. Besides, people's personal lives are their own business. I know that Garth has done plenty of charity work and great things for his fans. He's cut some great music and puts on one helluva show. But it's also no secret that he's a little more concerned with sales, certifications, and chart accolades than the average artist--and he's probably the one who should worry the least about that stuff. He doesn't hide his intentions very well. I don't know, maybe it's just me. But he gives off this attitude that he can walk on water and eveything he does is magical and larger than life. His new single is just a song like any other song. Someone else could have cut it, probably done a better job with it, and it would have been the "latest single by so and so." Not for Garth--it's gotta be the greatest thing since cavemen discovered fire! Artists who come off as arrogant rub me the wrong way and I won't pretend that they aren't or make any excuses for them.
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Post by whynotnow on Sept 9, 2007 21:53:45 GMT -5
I could not have said it better.. Other artists release singles.. Garth calls a Press Conference. Everything he does has to be blown up to the hilt... He actually makes it hard for himself because he creates a hype that the reality can't match. Other people propose in a romantic setting.. Garth has to do it publicly... I wonder what Trisha thought of that one.... I would have killed him LOL
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Post by jewel88 on Sept 9, 2007 22:24:08 GMT -5
It's amazing that this song actually debuted at #1 on the country billboard chart. I don't think that's happened ever in any genre, perhaps on the hot 100 but not on the genre charts.
I don't recall any song ever debuting at #1 on the r & b chart. What songs are you talking about that actually had a #1 debut in the first week? I've seen some debut at like #20 but never anything like #1. That's quite unheard of. What I've noticed this year is that several of the R & b's fastest moving songs (the one's that look like certain #1's) have never made it to #1 and plummeted fast after that initial push.
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Post by cufan7 on Sept 9, 2007 23:18:52 GMT -5
I HATE GARTH'S MANIPULATING STYLE OF GETTIN WHAT HE WANTS!
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Post by Marv on Sept 9, 2007 23:35:44 GMT -5
This song's collapse in spins and AIs over the past seven days was easily predictable by myself and the other chartaholics on this board, and utilizing the term 'the mortal lock of the year' would not have been inappropriate or inaccurate under any circumstances.
The R&B charts and the country charts use totally different methodologies in caluculating their respective charts, so trying to compare accomplishments on those two charts is a huge waste of time.
Ditto for the Hot 100, whose methods for computing those charts have been very inconsistent for well over twenty years!!!
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 10, 2007 12:10:35 GMT -5
I don't think that Garth is evil either. However, for quite some time now, I've had a feeling that maybe he's a little mentally unbalanced. Just the way he seems to go back and forth, constantly changing things that probably didn't need changing in the first place. One day he's neo-trad; the next, he's covering Billy Joel; and the next, he's covering Aerosmith, for crying out loud. (Actually, "Shameless" and "The Fever" are two of my favorite Garth songs, but still...) One day he's Garth; the next he's "Chris Gaines"; the next, he's Garth again. One day he's humble ol' Garth, staying on the same level as his fans; the next, he's throwing fits and firing the head of his label because his last album "only" sold 4 million. One day he's praising Sandy for how wonderful she is; the next, he says "forget her" and marries Trisha, whose career was going "splut" right alongside the Garth-meister's. One day he's struggling to make Top 20; the next, he's debuting way the hell up at #1. I'm sure that he's a good guy, and he usually makes some very fine music, but sometimes it's not all that easy to forgive him when he starts doing whatever he wants just because he's a superstar.
Personally, I think Garth's parents were crazy as well, seeing as they named him "Troyal".... but I digress.
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Post by drock89 on Sept 10, 2007 13:06:07 GMT -5
Actually Garth's father is Troyal. I think Wikipedia has it wrong.
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Post by Zazie on Sept 10, 2007 13:12:02 GMT -5
No offense to the psychologists among you, but most people are pretty strange. If you knew the details of the lives of your neighbors, you'd be very surprised. Garth gets less privacy and competes for the spotlight, so he's easier to "analyze" -- but the strange practices of the electrician down the block and the housewife around the corner will never be known to you. In fact, you yourself -- yes, you -- will probably wind up as weird or weirder than Garth.
Sorry to ruin your innocence.
By the way, there have been at least 3 songs in the history of the Billboard chart that debuted at #1. The last of them, Red Foley's Chattanoogie Shoe Shine Boy, did it in 1950. Two of the three debuted at #1, dropped, and then rose back to the top. The charts were different back then, but still, it did happen.
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Sept 10, 2007 15:47:44 GMT -5
Actually Garth's father is Troyal. I think Wikipedia has it wrong. I've seen dozens of sources claim that Garth's birth name was Troyal Garth Brooks; they can't be all wrong. In fact, you yourself -- yes, you -- will probably wind up as weird or weirder than Garth. Thank you.
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Post by dboulton on Sept 10, 2007 15:54:13 GMT -5
Another healthy plummet in spins today :)
With any luck, Brooks & Dunn, Toby Keith, Brad Paisley, and then Tim McGraw will do their rightful stints at the top while this cynical nonsense continues its rightful descent towards oblivion.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Sept 10, 2007 16:05:02 GMT -5
Another healthy plummet in spins today :) With any luck, Brooks & Dunn, Toby Keith, Brad Paisley, and then Tim McGraw will do their rightful stints at the top while this cynical nonsense continues its rightful descent towards oblivion. First of all, he gained about 370k in audience today (which is what matters on Billboard). Secondly, there's not enough weeks in the year for Brooks & Dunn, Toby, Brad, and Tim to all get to #1. Rascal Flatts probably has the #1 spot locked up for the next 3 weeks, and Kenny will probably get there in another 6-7 weeks.
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Post by dboulton on Sept 10, 2007 16:23:11 GMT -5
Either way, he does not have the momentum of other, infinitely better songs. I don't know what combination of B&D, Toby, Paisley, and Tim could realistically top the chart and for how many weeks, but I'm hoping that this pathetic episode is over and that it doesn't yield any more pent-house time for this horrendous and undeserving piece of nonsense.
Toby has a very healthy audience and is adding spins at a beautiful rate; hopefully he will get there and stay there.
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