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Post by rowdawg21 on Sept 10, 2007 16:33:51 GMT -5
Either way, he does not have the momentum of other, infinitely better songs. I don't know what combination of B&D, Toby, Paisley, and Tim could realistically top the chart and for how many weeks, but I'm hoping that this pathetic episode is over and that it doesn't yield any more pent-house time for this horrendous and undeserving piece of nonsense. Toby has a very healthy audience and is adding spins at a beautiful rate; hopefully he will get there and stay there. So how many more of your posts will the people who actually like this song have to tolerate on this thread? You already have 8. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) The whole "debut at #1 episode" is over, so I wish we could stop talking about it. If this song rebounds to #1 in another 5-6 weeks, it will either be because of the song's quality or because people want to hear it (or perhaps a combination of both?). If the song only spends another 2 weeks in the top 10, then that will be because people don't want to hear it.
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Post by dboulton on Sept 10, 2007 16:49:54 GMT -5
I'm surprised it's only 8 :/
It's not a case of Brooks fans/lovers of this song having to tolerate my views any more than it is a case of me having to tolerate the views of those who love Brooks/this song.
I both dislike Garth Brooks as an ego, a singer, and a cynical marketing creation, AND believe that this whole episode speaks to spectacular problems with what looks like a backward, oligarchic, and corrupt country music industry.
In general it seems that commenting on specific songs and discussing the state of the genre/industry are both legitimate on this board. That's what I have done, and the fact I have done it repeatedly just shows how strong my views are in both respects.
I am sorry, however, if you have any reason to be offended.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Sept 10, 2007 16:50:50 GMT -5
Well said Rowdawg. All the constant whining over this is actually making me pull for Garth and this song... Not that my pulling for it , actually has anything to do with the songs success. But you get my point....
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Sept 10, 2007 17:04:57 GMT -5
I don't think Brooks is the anti-Christ and I don't even have much of a problem with his being competitive and/or wanting to be #1. But the lack of self-awareness and hypocrisy in his remarks about MtaM's #1 debut possibly setting a precedent is quite unattractive. And it does take away from the song for me because the artist's persona is so at variance with the persona of the character in the song.
Speaking as a Kanye West fan, I don't always have a problem with bald-faced arrogance -- in Kanye's case, it's because he channels it in interesting ways into his music, and there's this flip side of self-flagellation in his music that adds depth and dimension. But Brooks isn't channeling his bald ambition into his new music in a compelling way, in my view. Certainly not with "More than a Memory." And like wamufan, I think another artist could have rendered a more compelling version of that song, anyway. Lee Brice certainly did.
As to this song's chart fortunes, well, its debut on the various countdowns should mean it will have a very good weekend. It'll be interesting to see what kind of callout scores it receives as the weeks go by -- it typically takes at least 4 weeks, if not more, for a song to start making an impact.
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Post by rowdawg21 on Sept 10, 2007 17:13:58 GMT -5
In general it seems that commenting on specific songs and discussing the state of the genre/industry are both legitimate on this board. That's what I have done, and the fact I have done it repeatedly just shows how strong my views are in both respects. I am sorry, however, if you have any reason to be offended. I never said I was offended - you certainly are entitled to your opinions. However, when you come back to this thread 8+ times to state the same opinion over and over, your opinion grows weaker. I don't think Brooks is the anti-Christ and I don't even have much of a problem with his being competitive and/or wanting to be #1. But the lack of self-awareness and hypocrisy in his remarks about MtaM's #1 debut possibly setting a precedent is quite unattractive. And it does take away from the song for me because the artist's persona is so at variance with the persona of the character in the song. Speaking as a Kanye West fan, I don't always have a problem with bald-faced arrogance -- in Kanye's case, it's because he channels it in interesting ways into his music, and there's this flip side of self-flagellation in his music that adds depth and dimension. But Brooks isn't channeling his bald ambition into his new music in a compelling way, in my view. Certainly not with "More than a Memory." And like wamufan, I think another artist could have rendered a more compelling version of that song, anyway. Lee Brice certainly did. As to this song's chart fortunes, well, its debut on the various countdowns should mean it will have a very good weekend. It'll be interesting to see what kind of callout scores it receives as the weeks go by -- it typically takes at least 4 weeks, if not more, for a song to start making an impact. This is the kind of criticism I don't mind. I agree that Garth's quote about how the fans should get a song to #1 cannot be defended after what he just did. And I also agree that Lee Brice performed this song much better (though Garth's version has grown on me).
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Post by sbp17 on Sept 10, 2007 17:22:12 GMT -5
I never said I was offended - you certainly are entitled to your opinions. However, when you come back to this thread 8+ times to state the same opinion over and over, your opinion grows weaker. This is the kind of criticism I don't mind. I agree that Garth's quote about how the fans should get a song to #1 cannot be defended after what he just did. And I also agree that Lee Brice performed this song much better (though Garth's version has grown on me). Exactly on all points. Criticism is not why I'm bothered by this thread. It's that there have only been a handful of original thoughts in the 16 pages.
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Post by iCF on Sept 10, 2007 18:38:15 GMT -5
I've heard the fans of a couple of times and it is good, but also a little boring. I'm not always drawn to "country" songs with big AC productions, so I was hoping his next single would be something more country-sounding I guess, but I'm glad he's back. I think the vocals could be better and a little louder, but not a bad song.
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Post by Marv on Sept 10, 2007 18:56:28 GMT -5
Exactly---this is an okay song, but it's still light-years behind any of the singles on his first three CDs.
I'm just glad that this sorry episode is essentially over, and having Toby Keith, Brooks & Dunn, Tim McGraw & Kenny Chesney jousting for #1 over the next several weeks after 'Take Me There' is done is gonna be fun to watch.
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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Sept 10, 2007 19:20:06 GMT -5
Well I much I as I hate to admit it I easily expect this song to spend 4 more weeks at #1. It scored a 95.00 score on Billboard's Hit Predictor so obviously most people like it.
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Post by freelancer2 on Sept 10, 2007 20:28:57 GMT -5
This will be an interesting chart run to watch.
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 10, 2007 20:32:34 GMT -5
Well I much I as I hate to admit it I easily expect this song to spend 4 more weeks at #1. It scored a 95.00 score on Billboard's Hit Predictor so obviously most people like it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Hit Predictor has nothing to do with what the general public thinks about a song. It has to do with what "experts" feel the hit potential of the song is. Being that this song was a lock to debut in the top 10, you'd have to be a fool not to vote "hit" for this song. The 95.00 is just an indicator of the inevitability of gross airplay for the comeback single of a major superstar. Edit: From the R&R website about Hit Predictor: There's your answer. Radio Programmers and label executives.
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Post by Zazie on Sept 10, 2007 20:52:16 GMT -5
I didn't check this week, but last week 25 of the top 26 country songs were identified as hits by Hit Predictor. The only one they missed was Luke Bryan's, which was one of the few hard ones to predict.
They do a great job predicting that obscure artists like Toby, Tim, Carrie, and RF have hits on their hands, though. Without them, where would we be?
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 10, 2007 20:56:02 GMT -5
I didn't check this week, but last week 25 of the top 26 country songs were identified as hits by Hit Predictor. The only one they missed was Luke Bryan's, which was one of the few hard ones to predict. They do a great job predicting that obscure artists like Toby, Tim, Carrie, and RF have hits on their hands, though. Without them, where would we be? LOL. Really, I don't think anyone even heard of Carrie or gave her much of a chance when her debut single was released--that is, until Hit Predictor had something to say about that. ;)
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Post by rowdawg21 on Sept 10, 2007 21:19:26 GMT -5
Edit: From the R&R website about Hit Predictor: There's your answer. Radio Programmers and label executives. I think you took that out of context though. To me, what they're trying to say in that sentence is that many of the songs currently in the top 10 were noticed by record labels and radio programmers after they scored well on Hit Predictor. When they say "this company's direction," they're referring to Hit Predictor. I think the Hit Predictor scores come from research done with music listeners. Here's some other things that were on the same page you got that quote from:
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Sept 10, 2007 21:38:09 GMT -5
I don't think Hit Predictor is all that reliable, though I wouldn't dismiss it totally. The way the tests work, the listener typically hears a 30 second chorus (with the hook), followed by about a minute and a half of the song (verse and chorus), then the 30 second chorus/hook clip again. That may have changed recently...I think it may now be 2 minutes or so of the song, followed by the 30 second chorus/hook clip. In any case, the two big marks against Hit Predictor are: Other national callout services, like those published by Mediabase and R&R, do use random samples, and they also run regular tests from week to week. So you can get a sense of trends (both in terms of like and dislike), burnout factor, etc. The knock on the callout results that Mediabase and R&R use is that it takes a while for newer songs to catch on, and so those callout services are arguably slower to identify hits. But I see their results as more indicative of listener response than Hit Predictor.
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 10, 2007 23:37:49 GMT -5
I don't understand the "blind" nature of the tests. Technically speaking, all songs are blind-tested by nature. ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0244.gif) On a more serious note, who's gonna hear the song and not know that it's Garth? This might be a true blind test for a newcomer, but then, who would recognize a newcomer any way? That blind-test business is a bunch of nonsense to me. I suppose it really doesn't matter what Hit Predictor says. The darn song already hit #1 so statistically speaking, it's already a success. In the meantime, we'll just see what happens with the rest of its time on the charts. In the end, is it really relevant what 500 strangers thought about the song? We've all heard the song and have formed our own opinions. It is what it is.
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Post by EmersonDrive13Rocks on Sept 12, 2007 4:18:28 GMT -5
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Post by MusicRules on Sept 12, 2007 9:03:57 GMT -5
I read Hazel Smith's article the other day where she said Garth drove his girls to school in the morning, flew to Nashville to record this song, then flew back in time to pick them up.
Does he have custody?
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Post by Free2Bme on Sept 12, 2007 10:57:56 GMT -5
MTAM regained it's bullet and AI this morning. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict this song will make it back to #1 by the end of the year and maybe even take us into the '08 at the #1 position. Another healthy plummet in spins today :) With any luck, Brooks & Dunn, Toby Keith, Brad Paisley, and then Tim McGraw will do their rightful stints at the top while this cynical nonsense continues its rightful descent towards oblivion.
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Post by drock89 on Sept 12, 2007 11:03:18 GMT -5
I read Hazel Smith's article the other day where she said Garth drove his girls to school in the morning, flew to Nashville to record this song, then flew back in time to pick them up. Does he have custody? They share custody. Sandy lives just a few blocks away from Garth and Trisha's house in Oklahoma so the children are basically shared. If I remember correctly, Sandy is happy with Trisha being the girls' stepmother, and the two women get a long quite well.
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Post by Free2Bme on Sept 12, 2007 11:09:45 GMT -5
That quote taken out of context IMO is meant to make Garth look bad. Here's more from the report where the previous mentioned excerpt was taken from. (as reported by Craig Shelburne) Garth Brooks wanted the No. 1 party for "More Than a Memory" to focus on the songwriters. As a result, he spent most of Friday morning (Sept. 7) at the Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum ducking out of the limelight, while hundreds of people celebrated the success of his new single, the first song ever to debut at No. 1 at country radio.
At the private industry party in the rotunda, Brooks had to be summoned from a back room to come on stage.....
...... he was quick to give a shoutout to the songwriters by saying, "It's a great day for country music when we get our priorities right."
In his final words of the day, Brooks went on to praise the songwriting community in Nashville and advised the industry to nurture its greatest asset: "You have to fight and protect the rights of songwriters. Radio and records are nothing at all without the songwriters."
Oh wow, this just really pissed me off: During the #1 party for MTAM-- ( CMT)
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Post by WamuFive on Sept 12, 2007 18:07:04 GMT -5
That quote taken out of context IMO is meant to make Garth look bad. Here's more from the report where the previous mentioned excerpt was taken from. (as reported by Craig Shelburne) Garth Brooks wanted the No. 1 party for "More Than a Memory" to focus on the songwriters. As a result, he spent most of Friday morning (Sept. 7) at the Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum ducking out of the limelight, while hundreds of people celebrated the success of his new single, the first song ever to debut at No. 1 at country radio.
At the private industry party in the rotunda, Brooks had to be summoned from a back room to come on stage.....
...... he was quick to give a shoutout to the songwriters by saying, "It's a great day for country music when we get our priorities right."
In his final words of the day, Brooks went on to praise the songwriting community in Nashville and advised the industry to nurture its greatest asset: "You have to fight and protect the rights of songwriters. Radio and records are nothing at all without the songwriters."What does the quote you posted have to do with the other quote? I'm not sure how this provides the "missing context" for the other quote. ??? In an ironic statement, he said that songs need to earn their way to the top. Enough said. I don't see the relevance in what you posted.
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Post by Jonsolo on Sept 12, 2007 19:12:37 GMT -5
Can anybody recommend a good online stream of a radio station that plays American Country Countdown during the weekends? I'm just interested in catching what kind of intro that Kix Brooks will give it this weekend, when it magically appears at the #1 spot. Of course, Kix will probably just boil it down to how many times he's hung out with Garth, and relate a "funny" story from the past, and ignore the historical impact of the accomplishment.
I'm sure Kingsley will handle it with his usual class and professionalism, when it debuts at #4 on his countdown. I'll be able to listen to that show, as it airs on the local radio station.
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Post by recjus85 on Sept 12, 2007 19:17:41 GMT -5
Can anybody recommend a good online stream of a radio station that plays American Country Countdown during the weekends? I'm just interested in catching what kind of intro that Kix Brooks will give it this weekend, when it magically appears at the #1 spot. Of course, Kix will probably just boil it down to how many times he's hung out with Garth, and relate a "funny" story from the past, and ignore the historical impact of the accomplishment. I'm sure Kingsley will handle it with his usual class and professionalism, when it debuts at #4 on his countdown. I'll be able to listen to that show, as it airs on the local radio station. www.wqyk.comThey have ACC at 7 on Sunday nights. Ok I check and WWKA has Kix on SUNDAY mornings at 7. Website is www.k92fm.com.
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Post by Marv on Sept 14, 2007 9:44:55 GMT -5
'MTAM' has fallen from #1 to #8 in the newest issue of R&R, which is the biggest drop out of the #1 slot since 1996, when Shania Twain's 'You Win My Love' plunged from #1 to #11.
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Post by Zazie on Sept 14, 2007 11:33:46 GMT -5
This song has stopped losing audience, but it's having trouble reversing the trend. Up 36k overnight after a gain of 0 the day before. I would expect it to start climbing at a decent rate next week if it's ever going to do that again.
If it freefalls, it will set another record -- for fewest chart weeks by a #1 song in the soundscan era. Hard to believe that will happen, though. But it can't stay level forever -- has to go one way or the other.
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Post by KelownaGuy20 on Sept 15, 2007 1:33:06 GMT -5
Wow... I didn't even know Garth had a single out right now. I was typing up the American Country Countdown into my spreadsheet so I can post them on a couple of radio websites tonight, and I noticed Garth at #1, and it caught me so off guard, and I thought it was an old chart! But good for him... that's one hell of a debut.
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Post by dcowboy77 on Sept 15, 2007 15:37:42 GMT -5
This song has stopped losing audience, but it's having trouble reversing the trend. Up 36k overnight after a gain of 0 the day before. I would expect it to start climbing at a decent rate next week if it's ever going to do that again. If it freefalls, it will set another record -- for fewest chart weeks by a #1 song in the soundscan era. Hard to believe that will happen, though. But it can't stay level forever -- has to go one way or the other. what is the soundscan era record ??
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Post by kevin59 on Sept 17, 2007 6:19:24 GMT -5
Moving back Up
8 7 GARTH BROOKS More Than A Memory 3563 3334 229 27.226
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Post by Zazie on Sept 17, 2007 10:11:07 GMT -5
This song has stopped losing audience, but it's having trouble reversing the trend. Up 36k overnight after a gain of 0 the day before. I would expect it to start climbing at a decent rate next week if it's ever going to do that again. If it freefalls, it will set another record -- for fewest chart weeks by a #1 song in the soundscan era. Hard to believe that will happen, though. But it can't stay level forever -- has to go one way or the other. what is the soundscan era record ?? I don't really know. I'm assuming that no soundscan-era song that reached #1 has fallen off the chart in less than 20 weeks -- but I don't know that for sure. Songs did go up and down faster in the mid-90's and Garth would be a good candidate to have managed to fall off faster. For instance, Longneck Bottle would be a fine candidate -- but I don't think that one did. Now that Garth has righted the ship, he probably won't be freefalling anytime soon.
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