Billboard Hot 100: 8/01/15 (1st week of new tracking period)

[jarhys]

Did anyone notice the Weeknd dominated top 3 spots on the R&B songs chart?

[Mikel Echarri]

Jul 17, 2015 6:09:54 GMT -5 jarhys said:

Did anyone notice the Weeknd dominated top 3 spots on the R&B songs chart?

Yes! He's the first artist

[Mikel Echarri]

Oh, new #1 on iTunes, the new singles of 5SOS "She's Kinda Hot"

[felipe]

Jul 17, 2015 2:56:01 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I might not recognize The Weeknd on streets because it's not essential in being a fan of his.

When someone is really famous you'll probably recognize them on the streets, that has nothing to do with liking the artist or being a fan. I don't like Snoop Dogg, but I'd probably recognize him because he is famous. Or Chris Brown. Or Blake Shelton. When someone is famous yo don't "choose" to know them based on your personal preferences. You just know them. Because they're famous.

[allow that]

Jul 17, 2015 2:56:01 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I might not recognize The Weeknd on streets because it's not essential in being a fan of his.

Maybe to his new, casual pop fans (who tend to only recognize tabloid divas anyway) but for the many who've been following The Weeknd since his music scene breakthrough in 2010, he's VERY recognizable.

I also think many overplay the whole VEVO view measure on Pulse. My 12 year old cousin watches videos from popular chart acts over and over (and over...). My friends and I are more likely to stream full albums on Spotify or create iTunes playlists. We may or may not go out of our way to check a music video out just one time. Considering The Weeknd's core audience represents an older demographic and he's only now becoming a pop radio fixture, of course his newer material will have much higher VEVO peaks. His demographic is expanding but that doesn't mean his original achievements don't count. He's been established enough for five years already.

[Daniel Collins]

Mediabase 07/17/15

1. TAYLOR SWIFT - Bad Blood f/Kendrick Lamar: 192.575 (- 1.128)
2. WIZ KHALIFA - See You Again f/Charlie Puth: 168.118 (- 3.343)
3. WALK THE MOON - Shut Up And Dance: 161.447 (- 1.358)
4. THE WEEKND - Can't Feel My Face: 149.160 (+ 3.613)
5. OMI - Cheerleader: 142.066 (+ 2.809)
6. DAVID GUETTA - Hey Mama f/N. Minaj & Afrojack: 135.326 (- 0.522)
7. JASON DERULO - Want To Want Me: 118.182 (- 1.777)
8. ANDY GRAMMER - Honey, I'm Good: 107.562 (- 0.257)
9. FIFTH HARMONY - Worth It f/Kid Ink: 91.792 (+ 0.960)
10. RACHEL PLATTEN - Fight Song: 90.684 (+ 1.621)
11. MARK RONSON - Uptown Funk f/Bruno Mars: 85.615 (- 0.348)
12. MAROON 5 - Sugar: 80.834 (- 0.041)
13. TOVE LO - Talking Body: 76.578 (- 1.623)
14. THE WEEKND - Earned It: 74.854 (- 1.686)
15. MAJOR LAZER - Lean On f/MØ & DJ Snake: 74.723 (+ 0.661)
16. OMARION - Post To Be f/Chris Brown&Jhene: 74.234 (+ 0.687)
17. JASON ALDEAN - Tonight Looks Good On You: 71.466 (+ 0.355)
18. SKRILLEX & DIPLO - Where Are U Now w/J. Bieber: 70.762 (+ 0.907)
19. LITTLE BIG TOWN - Girl Crush: 70.587 (+ 0.947) ▲
20. ELLIE GOULDING - Love Me Like You Do: 68.134 (- 1.524) ▼

ED SHEERAN - Photograph: 67.497 (+ 1.452)
BRANTLEY GILBERT - One Hell Of An Amen: 59.371 (+ 1.179)
MICHAEL RAY - Kiss You In The Morning: 56.161 (+ 0.814)
SILENTO - Watch Me: 55.839 (+ 1.089)
JIDENNA - Classic Man: 55.135 (+ 0.558)
LUKE BRYAN - Kick The Dust Up: 51.629 (+ 0.876)
DEMI LOVATO - Cool For The Summer: 48.998 (+ 1.413)
FALL OUT BOY - Uma Thurman: 48.194 (+ 1.213)
SELENA GOMEZ - Good For You f/A$AP Rocky: 45.967 (+ 1.208)
THOMAS RHETT - Crash And Burn: 37.376 (+ 0.256)
SAGE THE GEMINI - Good Thing f/Nick Jonas: 25.390 (+ 0.280)
X AMBASSADORS - Renegades: 23.177 (+ 0.224)
MEEK MILL - All Eyes On You f/Minaj/Brown: 19.173 (+ 0.817)
JASON DERULO - Cheyenne: 16.732 (+ 0.282)
ZEDD - Beautiful Now f/Jon Bellion: 16.547 (+ 0.529)
CHARLIE PUTH - Marvin Gaye f/Meghan Trainor: 15.451 (+ 0.283)
KELLY CLARKSON - Invincible: 15.042 (+ 0.081)
JANET JACKSON - No Sleeep: 13.642 (+ 1.162)
BECK - Dreams: 10.633 (- 0.007)
SHAWN MENDES - Stitches: 8.625 (+ 0.245)
R. CITY - Locked Away f/Adam Levine: 8.048 (+ 0.876)
MEGHAN TRAINOR - Like I'm Gonna Lose You: 6.477 (+ 0.167)
AUSTIN MAHONE - Dirty Work: 4.224 (+ 0.090)
CALVIN HARRIS + DISCIPLES - How Deep Is Your Love: 0.029

[Kworb]

Sales estimates

1. Cheerleader 186,000
2. Can't Feel My Face 183,000
3. Fight Song 138,000
4. Watch Me 109,000
5. Bad Blood 106,000
6. 679 104,000
7. The Hills 101,000
8. Good For You 89,000
9. Honey, I'm Good. 85,000
10. Lean On 81,000
11. Shut Up And Dance 79,000
12. Worth It 73,000
13. Where Are Ü Now 69,000
14. Photograph 67,000
15. Trap Queen 63,000
16. See You Again 61,000
17. Girl Crush 59,000
18. Cool For The Summer 55,000
19. Uma Thurman 54,000
20. Hey Mama 53,000

kworb.net/cc

[Ravi]

This week's predictions:

Rank - Song - Sales - Airplay - Streams = Points

1 - Cheerleader - 186 - 125 - 15.0 = 44,700
2 - Can't Feel My Face - 183 - 129 - 11.0 = 40,400
3 - See You Again - 61 - 131 - 12.5 = 32,100
4 - Watch Me - 109 - 46 - 16.0 = 31,500
5 - Bad Blood - 106 - 155 - 6.0 = 31,000
6 - Trap Queen - 63 - 36 - 16.0 = 26,600
7 - Fight Song - 138 - 77 - 6.0 = 25,900
8 - Shut Up and Dance - 79 - 129 - 5.5 = 25,600

It's gonna be a close one between #3-5. Watch Me can end up anywhere between 3-5 depending on the streaming. SYA will probably remain over BB.

Similar is the scenario for 6-8. Streaming will be the determining factor.

[felipe]

Jul 17, 2015 9:32:42 GMT -5 allow that said:

Maybe to his new, casual pop fans (who tend to only recognize tabloid divas anyway) but for the many who've been following The Weeknd since his music scene breakthrough in 2010, he's VERY recognizable.

I think the "pop diva" argument is thrown around way too often here at Pulse. Like, "you wouldn't recognize The Weeknd because you only listen to pop music". I'm quite sure most casual pop fans would be able to recognize Drake, Blake Shelton, Bruce Springsteen or Mick Jagger on the streets, whether you like their music or not, even if you listen strictly to pop divas. They are famous. Even if you hate Shelton's music, you can't go "I don't like him, so I'll forget what he looks like". You guys make it sound like you're able to choose to know only the artists you like.

Jul 17, 2015 9:32:42 GMT -5 allow that said:

Considering The Weeknd's core audience represents an older demographic and he's only now becoming a pop radio fixture, of course his newer material will have much higher VEVO peaks. His demographic is expanding but that doesn't mean his original achievements don't count. He's been established enough for five years already.

Psy had a lot of fans before Gangnam Style. Yet the larger part of the general public only heard him for the first time with that song. So is it wrong to say he blew up with GS?

[Gary]

Who is the "general public"? Pulse people who only follow pop music?

Psy had a lot of fans before Gangnam style but they weren't part of the "general public"?

[allow that]

Jul 17, 2015 11:00:13 GMT -5 felipe said:

Jul 17, 2015 9:32:42 GMT -5 allow that said:

Maybe to his new, casual pop fans (who tend to only recognize tabloid divas anyway) but for the many who've been following The Weeknd since his music scene breakthrough in 2010, he's VERY recognizable.

I think the "pop diva" argument is thrown around way too often here at Pulse. Like, "you wouldn't recognize The Weeknd because you only listen to pop music". I'm quite sure most casual pop fans would be able to recognize Drake, Blake Shelton, Bruce Springsteen or Mick Jagger on the streets, whether you like their music or not, even if you listen strictly to pop divas. They are famous. Even if you hate Shelton's music, you can't go "I don't like him, so I'll forget what he looks like". You guys make it sound like you're able to choose to know only the artists you like.

Is it a "pop diva" argument or is just reflective of American tabloid culture? Teenage girls and young women are the main target audience of pop radio and also happen to be the target audience of most celebrity-centric publications and news sites. These media establishments follow acts like Katy, Rihanna, Taylor, Beyonce, and Ariana around, and even lesser established female pop acts like Rita Ora or Zendaya. How often do you see them chasing after male acts? Hell, I'm far more likely to open US Weekly or head to TMZ and see them reporting on a relative B-lister like Ellie Goulding heading out to dinner than I would be for a major male act like Usher or Bruno Mars. As a result, I don't think it's fair to say that just because The Weeknd is anonymous to casual CHR/Pop listeners that he doesn't have a valid and established audience of his own. Just because many of you didn't know him pre-Ariana Grande doesn't mean that his lengthy catalog of the past five years doesn't count.

Psy had a lot of fans before Gangnam Style. Yet the larger part of the general public only heard him for the first time with that song. So is it wrong to say he blew up with GS?

Such an unfair and kind of racist comparison. PSY was already established in his own country and the fact that he broke international markets with a song completely in Korean is already a phenomenon. He hadn't released music in the United States prior to "Gangnam Style" and of course he's now written off as a novelty act (in part due to his intentionally ridiculous promotional experiences in '12 and '13). How does that have anything in common with The Weeknd?

The Weeknd on the other hand spent five years establishing a strong grassroots following through three critically acclaimed mixtapes (that were essentially albums), hit features on songs by Drake and Wiz Khalifa that exemplified HIS sound more than theirs, and an album that extended his reach in the Urban community. To discredit his success "because his old songs have less VEVO streams" when his audience isn't about that anyway just sounds biased towards a pop radio point of view. And to compare it to PSY...

[Dylan :)]

LITTLE MIX - Black Magic: 2.379 (+ 0.316)

[felipe]

Jul 17, 2015 11:32:29 GMT -5 allow that said:

Jul 17, 2015 11:00:13 GMT -5 felipe said:

I think the "pop diva" argument is thrown around way too often here at Pulse. Like, "you wouldn't recognize The Weeknd because you only listen to pop music". I'm quite sure most casual pop fans would be able to recognize Drake, Blake Shelton, Bruce Springsteen or Mick Jagger on the streets, whether you like their music or not, even if you listen strictly to pop divas. They are famous. Even if you hate Shelton's music, you can't go "I don't like him, so I'll forget what he looks like". You guys make it sound like you're able to choose to know only the artists you like.

Is it a "pop diva" argument or is just reflective of American tabloid culture? Teenage girls and young women are the main target audience of pop radio and also happen to be the target audience of most celebrity-centric publications and news sites. These media establishments follow acts like Katy, Rihanna, Taylor, Beyonce, and Ariana around, and even lesser established female pop acts like Rita Ora or Zendaya. How often do you see them chasing after male acts? Hell, I'm far more likely to open US Weekly or head to TMZ and see them reporting on a relative B-lister like Ellie Goulding heading out to dinner than I would be for a major male act like Usher or Bruno Mars. As a result, I don't think it's fair to say that just because The Weeknd is anonymous to casual CHR/Pop listeners that he doesn't have a valid and established audience of his own. Just because many of you didn't know him pre-Ariana Grande doesn't mean that his lengthy catalog of the past five years doesn't count.

But I never meant that, an I thought my comparison to Arcade Fire made that clear. I know The Weeknd had a fanbase prior to his current success (just like Arcade Fire does), yet I don't think it's fair to say he was popular or famous in a larger scale (which seems to be what's happening to him now).

Jul 17, 2015 11:32:29 GMT -5 allow that said:

Jul 17, 2015 11:00:13 GMT -5 felipe said:

Psy had a lot of fans before Gangnam Style. Yet the larger part of the general public only heard him for the first time with that song. So is it wrong to say he blew up with GS?

Such an unfair and kind of racist comparison. PSY was already established in his own country and the fact that he broke international markets with a song completely in Korean is already a phenomenon. He hadn't released music in the United States prior to "Gangnam Style" and of course he's now written off as a novelty act (in part due to his intentionally ridiculous promotional experiences in '12 and '13). How does that have anything in common with The Weeknd?

The Weeknd on the other hand spent five years establishing a strong grassroots following through three critically acclaimed mixtapes (that were essentially albums), hit features on songs by Drake and Wiz Khalifa that exemplified HIS sound more than theirs, and an album that extended his reach in the Urban community. To discredit his success "because his old songs have less VEVO streams" when his audience isn't about that anyway just sounds biased towards a pop radio point of view. And to compare it to PSY...

Ok, so if the Psy comparison offends you, let's use another one. Adele had a moderately successful first album, some people knew her, she had some fans. And yet that was nothing compared to what she achieved with her second album. Most people only got to know her by her second album. Her fanbase grew exponentially. To most people she just blew up after Rolling in the deep, even though she had been establishing herself for a while by then. Similar also to what happened to Amy Whinehouse with Rehab.
Don't you agree that the number of people who knew this time The Weeknd last year and the number of people who know him now has changed drastically?

[lyhom]

"Don't you agree that the number of people who knew this time The Weeknd last year and the number of people who know him now has changed drastically?"

well yeah no shit.

that's not what was being argued here.

[therealstan123]

Am I the only one who think CFMF will be blocked by Cheerleader? CFMF is really slowing down, and they should have released the music video now

[felipe]

Jul 17, 2015 11:25:21 GMT -5 Gary said:

Who is the "general public"? Pulse people who only follow pop music?

According to Macmilan: "general public: ordinary people in society, rather than people who are considered to be important or who belong to a particular group". Sogeneral public does not refer only to "pulse people who only follow pop music".

Jul 17, 2015 11:25:21 GMT -5 Gary said:

Psy had a lot of fans before Gangnam style but they weren't part of the "general public"?

"Psy had a lot of fans before Gangnam Style. Yet the larger part of the general public only heard him for the first time with that song." What exactly didn't you understand about this? Psy had a lot of fans prior to GS, despite most people in the world not having heard about him up to that point.

[felipe]

Jul 17, 2015 12:56:22 GMT -5 lyhom said:

"Don't you agree that the number of people who knew this time The Weeknd last year and the number of people who know him now has changed drastically?"

well yeah no s**t.

that's not what was being argued here.

But that what I was arguing and some people seemed to disagree (or misunderstand me). If you agree that something has changed drastically in the last year, you have to acknowledge something caused a drastic change in the last year, and not just the continuous evolving of hard work put out in the past 3 years.

[lyhom]

far as I remember the argument was "was the weeknd well known before "love me harder" and/or "earned it"", but whatever

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 17, 2015 12:59:45 GMT -5 felipe said:

Jul 17, 2015 11:25:21 GMT -5 Gary said:

Who is the "general public"? Pulse people who only follow pop music?

According to Macmilan: "general public: ordinary people in society, rather than people who are considered to be important or who belong to a particular group". Sogeneral public does not refer only to "pulse people who only follow pop music".

The idea nowadays is that General Public no longer exists because it's made up completely of demographics and subsets of people. No one can define it anymore because, unlike the 50s and 60s, a majority of people no longer time in to a limited number of newspapers and television stations.

[Gary]

Yes. The "general public" is so fragmented that you can not say with accuracy "The general public does not know or does know X or Y"

Depending on what segment of society you are talking about, this is true but ONLY for that segment. 

Most teens and 20s music buying crowd in America had not heard of the then Korean-only popular artist known as Psy before Gangnam style. I agree.

'The Weeknd' is having more of an impact into mainstream music than he did a year ago due to exposure to a wider audience. I agree


He had a lot of fans but was not well-known. I don't agree

[damita34]

good update for Janet

[felipe]

Jul 17, 2015 13:12:48 GMT -5 Gary said:

Yes. The "general public" is so fragmented that you can not say with accuracy "The general public does not know or does know X or Y"

Depending on what segment of society you are talking about, this is true but ONLY for that segment. 

Most teens and 20s music buying crowd in America had not heard of the then Korean-only popular artist known as Psy before Gangnam style. I agree.

'The Weeknd' is having more of an impact into mainstream music than he did a year ago due to exposure to a wider audience. I agree


He had a lot of fans but was not well-known. I don't agree

So is it ok if we swap "general public" for "most people"? As in "most people have already heard the song Thriller" or "most people know who Katy Perry is"?

Could we say then "Teen Beach movie has a lot of fans, but most people have never watched it"? Or "The Weeknd had a lot of fans, but most people didn't know him or his songs"?

[Gary]

Jul 17, 2015 13:16:32 GMT -5 felipe said:

Jul 17, 2015 13:12:48 GMT -5 Gary said:

Yes. The "general public" is so fragmented that you can not say with accuracy "The general public does not know or does know X or Y"

Depending on what segment of society you are talking about, this is true but ONLY for that segment. 

Most teens and 20s music buying crowd in America had not heard of the then Korean-only popular artist known as Psy before Gangnam style. I agree.

'The Weeknd' is having more of an impact into mainstream music than he did a year ago due to exposure to a wider audience. I agree


He had a lot of fans but was not well-known. I don't agree

So is it ok if we swap "general public" for "most people"? As in "most people have already heard the song Thriller" or "most people know who Katy Perry is"?

Could we say then "Teen Beach movie has a lot of fans, but most people have never watched it"? Or "The Weeknd had a lot of fans, but most people didn't know him or his songs"?

OK sure swap the terms but then the following is also true given the billions that live on the planet between the ages of 0 and 110.


Most people in 1983 heard the song Thriller but that is less true today
Most people have never heard of Katy Perry
I would go further to say most people have never listened to a Taylor Swift song or even know who she is

[felipe]

Jul 17, 2015 13:35:11 GMT -5 Gary said:

Jul 17, 2015 13:16:32 GMT -5 felipe said:

So is it ok if we swap "general public" for "most people"? As in "most people have already heard the song Thriller" or "most people know who Katy Perry is"?

Could we say then "Teen Beach movie has a lot of fans, but most people have never watched it"? Or "The Weeknd had a lot of fans, but most people didn't know him or his songs"?

OK sure swap the terms but then the following is also true given the billions that live on the planet


Most people in 1983 heard the song Thriller but that is less true today
Most people have never heard of Katy Perry
I would go further to say most people have never listened to a Taylor Swift song or even know who she is

But what if we refer specifically to the US? Do you think those sentences would still be true?

Is there another term or expression we could use instead of "general public" or "most people" that would be more precise and currently accepted?

[Gary]

I know you mean the teen-20s music buying or music streaming public in the continental United States when you are making your statements.
 

When I read "the general public knows or does not know" who someone is, looks like an opinion to me, based on the perception of the person posting it.


Example from your earlier posts: The Weeknd was not known to the general public before the recent hits, but how did his 2012 album debut at #4 and sell 89K copies if he was not known?


I know what you are trying to say though, his audience has gotten bigger since then and more people now know him.

[felipe]

Jul 17, 2015 13:53:28 GMT -5 Gary said:

I know you mean the teen-20s music buying or music streaming public in the continental United States when you are making your statements.
 

When I read "the general public knows or does not know" who someone is, looks like an opinion to me, based on the perception of the person posting it.


Example from your earlier posts: The Weeknd was not known to the general public before the recent hits, but how did his 2012 album debut at #4 and sell 89K copies if he was not known?

I didn't mean to say nobody knew him. An artist can have fans and a core audience and still be unknown to the a "larger audience"/"general public"/"most people"/etc. Fifth Harmony's first EP debuted at #6 two years ago, and yet I don't think they were "well known" outside a somewhat restrict group.

When I say most Americans have already heard Thriller, I have no data to back that up, it is, like you said, an opinion based on my own perception, but I guess "most people" here would agree it's a preety popular song. I guess we might be caught up in the semantics of these terms, and can't find expressions with more accurate literal meanings to get these ideas across.

[Deleted]

Jul 17, 2015 4:13:31 GMT -5 aser94 said:

The Weeknd's music also wasn't very pop-friendly

That's weird...I remember hearing "High For This" and "Wicked Games" a fair bit on my local pop stations back in the day. Although maybe that has to do with the CanCon thing that requires Canadian radio to play a certain percentage of content from Canadian artists. 

Anyway, I see this is your first post so welcome to Pulse! :)

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 17, 2015 14:18:05 GMT -5 felipe said:

When I say most Americans have already heard Thriller, I have no data to back that up, it is, like you said, an opinion based on my own perception, but I guess "most people" here would agree it's a preety popular song. I guess we might be caught up in the semantics of these terms, and can't find expressions with more accurate literal meanings to get these ideas across.

When I think of "general public" and even "most people", I always think of my own parents. I doubt my mother, for example, would know or recognize anything related to Mariah Carey. My father might, because he's slightly more in tune with pop culture, especially from the 90s when I still lived at home. A lot of my mother's friends would probably be more in line with her awareness. I know they aren't representative of "average" late-50s people but I guess that's kind of the point. What is average? When people here say general public, what's the criteria? I agree it comes down to semantics but based on some of the discussions (and arguments) that have taken place here over the years, I feel like so much stake is put on this whole idea of "general public" when in reality, I doubt any record label relies on that idea anymore. It's all about demographics. So in looking at The Weeknd's popularity, awareness has spread from his core demographic to include other groups of people who previously didn't know of him. The Arcade Fire were stars or leaders of their core demographic for nearly a decade when others barely knew who they were or hadn't even heard of them before. It's kind of fascinating, when you think about it.

[Chato]

How has the big chart become THIS static and boring? Every other week, I check the Hot 100, only to realize that there's almost no movement in the upper part - i.e. no real reason to actively follow it. This isn't the "hot" 100 anymore.

Anyways, good luck to The Weeknd. I hope he can grab his first #1 this week.

[Enigma.]

Hot 100 hasn't become any more boring that it has ever been really, it's all about perspective. In 2002 Eminem and Missy Elliott ruled the chart for 10 weeks at #1 AND 2 iirc. Those things just happen and then general public ( ) move on to other songs.