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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 20:46:32 GMT -5
I'm heading out for the night because I have two exams tomorrow and I have plans but I'll try to check back in before deadline. I encourage everyone to please think about this decision. I'm not going to be here to be able to defend myself and I would love to be here tomorrow to explain. I'm seriously town and I could be more helpful if you don't lynch me because I won't be as busy. I urge you all to take a look at these Gladiator claims because if you all just blindly believe everyone who says that they are you're going to make another mistake and you could possibly lose. You've gone after town member after town member and you can't really afford to lose another one. "for the night". You said these three hours ago, yet popped back in less than 2 hours later. That seems like something scum could say so they get excused for not checking in before deadline. You said you wouldn't come in here to defend yourself, and well, here you are. You're refuting your previous statement right now. If anyone is lying, it's you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 20:46:48 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 16, 2015 20:53:01 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for someone to refute my assertions on Zebra's role-claim and give some credible evidence to support its authenticity.
Bigfan you've essentially said 'IDK I just believe it' in regards to Zebra's claim which is not good enough. I know it's your first game, but a major thing in Mafia is to question everything, especially in the later stages. Libra, I understand your vote against Liucci, but what do you have to say about Zebra's role-claim? Do you think it holds up? Liucci, I think calling this challenge was a silly thing to do when there's no clear consensus. You shouldn't have called it unless you were sure you'd have the votes to back it up which so far you haven't. Max, why have you not weighed in since laying your vote down? Albie, where are you? Will you be here before deadline in time to weigh in with any insight?
I've said my piece on why I think Zebra is scum, and I will not be moved on my stance, but it would be telling IMO if Silky's vote shows up on Liucci right when it looks like Zebra might get away with this after all.
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 16, 2015 20:57:33 GMT -5
I love how you're resorting to using my personal life as a justification for lynching me. I went out with friends and I didn't know how long I would be with them. I'm back now and I'm procrastinating on studying for my exam tomorrow. Just because I didn't think I would be here earlier doesn't mean that I'm scum, lol.
I really didn't think that I was going to be able to be here and defend myself? I popped in to check in on things and I saw this challenge and lynch wagon starting on me and I felt that I at least deserved the chance to explain. I've already wasted too much time on this though and I really do need to study.
Honestly though, you don't know what I'm doing this evening and this is reaching if I ever saw it. God forbid I anticipate being busy and make a comment about it in thread. It was a fair warning that I might not be here and that people should consider other options. It's convenient that you challenged me right after I said that though as you didn't think I would be here to see through your bullshit. You literally went to prey on the easiest choice possible. I find it a little convenient that you challenged me RIGHT after I posted that and now you're brining it up as a main selling point for your argument.
I really need to go now though, and I seriously have been busy. Just because I check in to try and offer input as to why I shouldn't be lynched doesn't mean that I'm automatically scum. Everyone, please consider his weak reasoning when you make your logic. Please. This is scum activity if I've ever seen it.
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 16, 2015 20:58:50 GMT -5
I do think that this challenge was dumb as fuck though and you should have at least waited. People were starting to vote for me anyways.
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Post by Libra on Sept 16, 2015 21:01:50 GMT -5
Having never seen a Commuter in a game before, but having seen both this game and yours have plenty of roles I haven't seen before IN GAME, I have absolutely no idea whether or not it could be true but I'm not willing to vote for him just based on that.
I understand there's two scum factions here though? For all we know, we could be witnessing one scum challenging another here.
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Post by Libra on Sept 16, 2015 21:03:18 GMT -5
And frankly I really want to just see Liucci gone after going in on Zebra so personally like that. I'm sorry, but HOW DARE YOU. >:(
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 21:08:08 GMT -5
And frankly I really want to just see Liucci gone after going in on Zebra so personally like that. I'm sorry, but HOW DARE YOU. >:( There's nothing personal about that comment, it's just simply pointing out that he's lied in this thread. What words can't get used against somebody in this thread? I just found it odd. But obviously, he's explained himself.
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Post by Albie on Sept 16, 2015 21:36:25 GMT -5
Finally home! What the heck is happening? Another challenge? Let me catch up real quick
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 21:48:54 GMT -5
No ties, if majority is not reached by deadline then whoever reached highest number of votes first is lynched.
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Post by bigfan101 on Sept 16, 2015 21:51:22 GMT -5
^ good to know...I'm thinking about abstaining. I honestly have no idea what to do.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 16, 2015 21:51:30 GMT -5
Max, why have you not weighed in since laying your vote down? I really don't think I have anything to add. In the battle between Liucci vs. Zebra, I've already said I'm inclined to believe that Luicci is more likely of the two to be town. Does that mean I think Zebra is scum automatically? Not at all. That just means that (making up random example numbers), I'd believe Liucci to be 75% likely town and Zebra to be 70% likely (those % numbers aren't accurate portrayals of how likely I think either are town or not - just an example of what I mean when I say I think Liucci is more likely town - it doesn't mean I think Zebra isn't, it just means that between the two, I feel better voting for Zebra). Regarding the double vote... I really don't know. I do think Zebra is hiding something just based on his general demeanour. Either the double-vote or the blocker or that he is/was the 1-shot kill. I'm going to read through his posts now that I have some time with BBP all done and see if anything more pops out at me.
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Post by Libra on Sept 16, 2015 21:59:32 GMT -5
Like I said. With 2 scum factions, they could both be scum.
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Post by Albie on Sept 16, 2015 22:15:38 GMT -5
What an interesting turn of events. I was trying to follow along with Liucci but Ok I’m sorry but I just don’t trust this challenge. It seems too convenient. Listen, I’m not sure what Zebra’s role means to be honest, but what I do know is that every time this challenge has happened, it has done nothing good for town. This very well could end the same way again – and what have we done each time but lynch the target that each challenger has chosen. I’m not buying it anymore. Not to mention, I have an easier time believing zebra’s random role than I do that everyone else is a gladiator. Doesn’t it make sense that zebra would have a stronger role? We can’t all be gladiators and that’s all we have as town – it makes sense zebra has a stronger power. Az mentions that it sticks out like a sore thumb but of course it does because it’s a stronger power that can help us sniff out scum. And I don’t get the whole, because zebra wasn’t targeted on night 1 he is scum. How does that even make sense? Do the various scum even know each other?
Also, I’m sensing some closeness between Az and Liucci. This may well be the scum team. Liucci has been suspicious of Az and zebra but he decides to vote for zebra because he finds his claim less credible. Why wouldn’t you question the fact that we have yet another gladiator in Az? I feel a great deflection effort has taken place here between the two of you. Taking advantage of the fact that everyone feels comfortable with the challenger but that has only screwed us in the past. But my biggest suspicious lies in the fact that Liucci has been pushing way too hard to discover who Gayla is. Why would you want to give that up and put her right as a target to scum unless you were scum so you can target her? I’m sorry but this was coming off the wrong way to me. Today you’ve pushed discussion the most and I just find it interesting that you have been pushing the people that I feel have been the most town-focused this whole game in Libra first and zebra now. Again, this challenge just doesn’t sit well with me so with that said...
Vote: Liucci
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Post by Libra on Sept 16, 2015 22:24:50 GMT -5
Only thing I'll correct you on, Albie, is that Green Baron was the first challenger. So we've been split 1-1 as far as favoring the challenger or not.
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Post by Albie on Sept 16, 2015 22:29:00 GMT -5
Oh you're right. But my point is that the challenge has only produced a town lynch. No bueno. Not a good track record and with so few of us left its starting to look like this will go the same way. Its very easy to see how scum can use the challenge to their advantage at this point - especially when going after the stronger town players imo.
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Post by Libra on Sept 16, 2015 22:31:09 GMT -5
After reading things over some more, I'm also thinking that bigfan is correct, that more than one claim is a lie. But, I think the reasons for false claims are actually not the same.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 22:34:23 GMT -5
I'm basically hopeless at this point, because i'm pretty sure the double vote will take me out, so goodbye town. You're about to mislynch.
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Post by Libra on Sept 16, 2015 22:38:27 GMT -5
Hah! You disbelieve me after I'd all but thrown in the towel yesterday, and now here you are you're trying to pull that.
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Post by Libra on Sept 16, 2015 22:39:01 GMT -5
now here you are trying*
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 22:41:17 GMT -5
Lol. Well I found your inactivity strange.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 16, 2015 22:41:34 GMT -5
Good GOD this is so stupid. :hai I'm scumdex's partner: Albie, either you are being a Class A moron right now, or you've just confirmed yourself to be Scum!bra's partner. Zebra explained his 'role' quite clearly. If he is targeted for an NK he hides for the Night and is unaffected. Why does TOWN need this power? It basically means scum needs to target him multiple times to kill him, a Town player does not need that kind of power, let alone a 2-shot (which means he has THREE hit points). Scum on the other hand, would need that ability especially with Bigfan's revelation of multiple factions. And I've already said why the 2-S sticks out like a sore thumb. Every other power is either 1-S or permanent. A 2-S is too conspicuous, it does not work at ALL as a safe-claim. RE: N1, if he didn't take flight why was there only one kill? We didn't know until Bigfan's revelation that there were two factions, why would scum even think that might be a thing? There is no reason for scum to hold back on a kill because of something they're not even aware of. Me and Liucci? LOL. I didn't have much to work with regarding him. D1 was a wash for analysis because of Baron's dummy spit, and with Liucci voteless on D2 and not really discussing who he would otherwise have voted for there wasn't much to read there. Even now on D3 I am side-eyeing him for calling this challenge. I mean he's proven he really is a Gladiator but is he Town? I don't know, I'm not sure but I AM sure that Zebra is full of s**t. Which is why if they're both scum, Liucci is the lesser of two evils. There is no connection beyond that. Don't try to force something that isn't there. RE: Gayla. Umm... what? WHERE was he trying to rat out Gayla? I thought we pretty much dropped that after Surf turned up dead. It's easy to see why Gayla would not have claimed Gayla when we mass-claimed. It's suicide. No s**t someone's lying about being a Gladiator, they don't want to be night-killed. I just can't at any of this anymore. I've been trying to figure things out and steer us on what I hoped was the right course but it's like you guys are just GIVING it away.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 16, 2015 22:42:27 GMT -5
*Scumbra damnit scumdex is just too easy to write.
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 16, 2015 22:46:24 GMT -5
Back for one last break.
Az, a town member could use that ability to compensate for the two scum factions. It could help town to have somebody survive the presence of two mafias and work to our advantage. Commuters are more often than not town roles.
You're so adamant about getting me out that honestly it does kind of look like you and Liucci are working together. I wouldn't be surprised. You're not even stopping to consider any other options.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 16, 2015 22:47:25 GMT -5
Give me other options and I'll consider them then.
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Post by Libra on Sept 16, 2015 22:49:16 GMT -5
Good GOD this is so stupid. :hai I'm scumdex's partner: Albie, either you are being a Class A moron right now, or you've just confirmed yourself to be Scum!bra's partner. Zebra explained his 'role' quite clearly. If he is targeted for an NK he hides for the Night and is unaffected. Why does TOWN need this power? It basically means scum needs to target him multiple times to kill him, a Town player does not need that kind of power, let alone a 2-shot (which means he has THREE hit points). Scum on the other hand, would need that ability especially with Bigfan's revelation of multiple factions. And I've already said why the 2-S sticks out like a sore thumb. Every other power is either 1-S or permanent. A 2-S is too conspicuous, it does not work at ALL as a safe-claim. RE: N1, if he didn't take flight why was there only one kill? We didn't know until Bigfan's revelation that there were two factions, why would scum even think that might be a thing? There is no reason for scum to hold back on a kill because of something they're not even aware of. Me and Liucci? LOL. I didn't have much to work with regarding him. D1 was a wash for analysis because of Baron's dummy spit, and with Liucci voteless on D2 and not really discussing who he would otherwise have voted for there wasn't much to read there. Even now on D3 I am side-eyeing him for calling this challenge. I mean he's proven he really is a Gladiator but is he Town? I don't know, I'm not sure but I AM sure that Zebra is full of s**t. Which is why if they're both scum, Liucci is the lesser of two evils. There is no connection beyond that. Don't try to force something that isn't there. RE: Gayla. Umm... what? WHERE was he trying to rat out Gayla? I thought we pretty much dropped that after Surf turned up dead. It's easy to see why Gayla would not have claimed Gayla when we mass-claimed. It's suicide. No s**t someone's lying about being a Gladiator, they don't want to be night-killed. I just can't at any of this anymore. I've been trying to figure things out and steer us on what I hoped was the right course but it's like you guys are just GIVING it away. This description right here gives ample reason as to why you could be so wrong about why a Commuter wouldn't be likely to be Town, Az. :) wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commuter
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 16, 2015 22:50:10 GMT -5
Liucci! He's literally pulling reasons to vote for people out of his ass (going so far as to drag my personal situations into this) and is trying to force this lynch. He also challenged me soon after I said that I would be busy tonight and I didn't think I'd be able to defend myself. It seems way too opportunistic and like scum trying to force a lynch.
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 16, 2015 22:56:22 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 16, 2015 22:56:39 GMT -5
I actually had decisive evidence against you Zebra, but it probably makes no difference NOW, it's too close to the deadline and I can't be sure it would affect the vote in time. Thanks guys, you let definite!scum go over someone who MIGHT be.
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 16, 2015 22:57:17 GMT -5
Except not? The votes are tied and I hit majority first so I'm still a goner because you and Liucci are too stubborn to consider anything.
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