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Post by Mikey on Sept 10, 2015 5:32:20 GMT -5
That moment when a foreigner knows better about US' timezones than the US natives themselves Anyway i'm still outside and will be for a while. I'm going to re-read the thread and try to understand things if i have time. My schedule is so tight Considered voting for Codex, but now that he has posted, can't really do so. And from my super quick skimming, i don't get why Liucci is suspicious tbh.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 10, 2015 6:01:49 GMT -5
Surf, your vote/reasoning are weak as hell. I'm calling #bulls**t on that, but Baron's been MIA and it bothers the hell out of me more than your vote does.
Vote: Green Baron
Anything to contribute, Baron?
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 10, 2015 6:07:17 GMT -5
I mean, his last legit vote was his RVS on Liucci 31~ hours ago. There's only been 2 posts since then; one of which is somewhat helpful, but is also coupled with a joke vote for Pops, and there's been no follow-up on actual discussion from him. A passing defense of Libra doesn't count much toward discussion. Side note: F*CK YOU JARVIS LANDRY WAS MIIIIIÎIIIIIIIIIIIIINE! #gay~
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 10, 2015 6:51:54 GMT -5
Codex, thank you for explaining. That clears things up and will wait for when you can look everything over before committing to a vote. Same deal with Surf. Unvote: Codex
Green Baron's lack of activity is rather unusual for him and is definitely something that I'm suspicious of, also. I'll go ahead and place a vote on him until he says something. Vote: Green Baron.
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 10, 2015 6:59:24 GMT -5
Also I'd really like to hear Bigfan's reasons for voting for Codex also. That vote seemed totally random and without any explanation.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 10, 2015 8:24:29 GMT -5
I think anyone who throws a vote out there on someone random, especially those who seemingly do it more than once (drag) deserve an extra look. Libra finding me suspicious is as obvious and expected as me finding him suspicious. I won't look any further into that right now (beyond my original FoS) because he's probably just taking my observation of his recurring "is activity level on day 1 suspicious or not" personally. I feel good about Zebra. Surf's play seems lazy to me so I wouldn't take that for anything (yet). How experienced is bigfan in these games? He does seem rather bandwagony. I believe Codex that he's been busy, though that doesn't necessarily mean he's scum any more than it means he's not. No reading on him right now. I'm also busy with work and finishing up BB (finally!) but I'm going to put extra effort into having my head in this game. It'll be easier when this current BB comp is f'ing finished.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 10, 2015 8:27:02 GMT -5
I don't think I feel good about a Codex eviction yet though. But I do want to hear more from bigfan101 because he's literally only posted a few times and once that wasn't an RVS post it seems. Now that he's off the plane, he must have more to say. I'm going to place my vote on him now (vote: bigfan101) because #pressure.
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Post by bigfan101 on Sept 10, 2015 9:13:03 GMT -5
I don't think I feel good about a Codex eviction yet though. But I do want to hear more from bigfan101 because he's literally only posted a few times and once that wasn't an RVS post it seems. Now that he's off the plane, he must have more to say. I'm going to place my vote on him now ( vote: bigfan101) because #pressure. My vote was for Codex, because I thought others made good points and this is my first time playing the game, so I am trying to learn it. I totally get why you voted for me, but i can promise you your suspicions are unwarranted.
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Post by bigfan101 on Sept 10, 2015 9:14:39 GMT -5
How experienced is bigfan in these games? He does seem rather bandwagony. ouch. I work in sports, so my delays in communication are often due by travel.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 11:48:24 GMT -5
Cynthia looks down at her notebook and notices a strange list of names and numbers. Something about voting with the header "Day 1". She doesn't remember writing that, but her need for a toasted bagel and genocide prevents her from giving a fu— wait, what?
Day 1 Continues
Deadline has been set for 09.10.2015 10:59PM EDT
It takes 7/12 votes to lynch!
Albie: Libra bigfan101: Codex, Drag, Max Codex: Liucci, bigfan101 Drag: Mikey Green Baron: Az, Zebra Libra: Albie Liucci: Green Baron, Surf
Day One: Vote Count 8 Not voting:
#mod: deadline is in ~10 hours, folks.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 10, 2015 12:15:20 GMT -5
"Her need for a toasted bagel and genocide" wut
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 10, 2015 13:24:54 GMT -5
I thought I voted bigfan
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Post by Albie on Sept 10, 2015 13:33:24 GMT -5
Ok I’ve had time to sit down and go through everything. So starting with my vote for Libra yesterday, wow my days have been whacked so admittedly I got the deadline wrong. As Drag mentioned, its not good for town if you don't vote and prior to my Libra vote, my vote was unsubstantial. So, being that I thought I wouldn’t be able to follow the thread any further before the vote, I went with the information I had at the time and my analysis of that which pointed me to vote for Libra.
Libra, you say that I’m claiming new player confusion and you’re darn right I am. I have never played this game before but what does that have to do with the fact that I’ve somewhat followed Az’s mafia game? I had said as much in my post and I did get as far as like 9 or 10 pages in. I sure as heck didn’t understand much of what was going on but I did notice the crap you were getting for playing so hard. Sorry that that was the focus of what was going on in those pages I read – that’s what I remember and all I had to go on. I do also recall the other thing was that Daryl was the new player and he literally had no idea what he was doing and everyone seemed to be annoyed by it. So, coming into this game, I didn’t want to be that guy that came off completely clueless and making the game annoying. When people are throwing things out there like OMGUS and WIFOM and I’m sitting here like what the heck – I followed the link you posted on page 2 and started reading up. I'm no expert but I am able to look things up. Its hard to be new in this game and follow everything that is going on.
And maybe my theory on you was reaching but, as I’ve mentioned, I had the deadline wrong and didn’t want to be seen as not having contributed or missing the vote altogether. Obviously its not awesome for you that my only bit of deduction led me your way but that was the only thing at the time that I could read anything into.
In light of more recent observations, Unvote: Libra
With that said, Drag has pointed out that something important to consider more so than level of activity is who is not contributing to finding scum. With that in mind, I cannot feel all that comfortable in lynching Libra for being too active or moving things along when that is exactly what we need to do. My main reasoning for this before had been that I felt he was using the same tactic he had used last game in hopes that everyone remembers he was town last time and therefore town once again this time – my thought was that maybe this was a ploy. And it may well be. But as of now, I think it is more important to look at those that are not trying to find the scum. That is different than saying people are not posting much. Even if someone is posting a short blurb with some substance and not full-on analysis. I don’t think I’m expressing this properly but my point is that it’s one thing to be active and it’s another thing to be contributing.
So, after reading through everything, someone that has recently caught my eye and seems to be flying under most people’s radar is Mikey. He pays attention and has called people out for certain things like drag’s first vote in RVS and he has taken the time to post random things he notices like what time surf is at school or not and yet he hasn’t really contributed to moving this discussion along. He did at some point mention he has been busy and hasn’t posted much. But I believe in that same post he mentions that what matters to him is the content of a post rather than how much someone posts. And then he takes no time to offer any content of true value? This to me seems suspicious. I may need to see more so for now FOS on Mikey.
I am also closely looking at Green Baron for a very similar reason as above. He acknowledged it was time to get out of RVS but then cast a useless vote anyway instead of trying to give some sort of input – even though he did mention how hard it is to get out of RVS, you’ve gotta have something. He has not posted anything of much substance that I have seen and hasn’t expressed that he’s been busy or anything like that so I find this concerning. Especially because he seems to be an experienced player.
Other thoughts:
Bigfan – as a fellow newbie, I know this is a lot to wrap your head around so I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt as I can also understand being busy with work travel.
Max, zebra, Az – I find these guys mostly to be in the same category as seemingly trustworthy and also trying to move things along
Drag, surf, Liucci – haven’t been around enough and I am not sure what to make of them at this time but not getting any particular vibe from them. I have to say, I see no reason for Liucci to have votes on him at this time.
Most suspicious - Mikey and Green Baron Least suspicious – Codex because I think he legit has been busy and I know he gets really into games, I feel he’d be doing something if he had the time. And also zebra who seems to be really taking the time to move things forward lately.
I want to see how things progress throughout the day before voting but Mikey and Green Baron if you are around, I would love to hear from you guys a little more in-depth on what you make of everything. Actually, I’d like to hear from everyone else on this too.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 10, 2015 13:41:08 GMT -5
For what it's worth, my game is not a good example of the basics for newbie players (whether that was your first Mafia game or whether you ~tried~ to follow along) because the mechanics got too messy and unnecessarily complicated. I totally understand trying to read that game and still not getting a handle on Mafia in general.
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Post by Albie on Sept 10, 2015 13:55:53 GMT -5
For what it's worth, my game is not a good example of the basics for newbie players (whether that was your first Mafia game or whether you ~tried~ to follow along) because the mechanics got too messy and unnecessarily complicated. I totally understand trying to read that game and still not getting a handle on Mafia in general. Haha yeah I literally took nothing away from reading those few pages of your game as far as HOW to play. The only things I was able to make heads or tails of were the two things I pointed out above only because they were the blatant topics of discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 14:32:35 GMT -5
I thought I voted bigfan #mod: You did, I am guessing Kunthia missed it because you had it in parentheses. "Her need for a toasted bagel and genocide" wut #mod: this is what happens when you don't script your flavor with your co-mod beforehand.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 14:34:23 GMT -5
Day 1 Continues
Deadline has been set for 09.10.2015 10:59PM EDT
It takes 7/12 votes to lynch!
Albie: Libra bigfan101: Codex, Drag, Max Codex: Liucci, bigfan101 Drag: Mikey Green Baron: Az, Zebra Libra: Albie Liucci: Green Baron, Surf
Day One: Vote Count 9 Not voting: Albie
#mod: 7.5 hours and winding down.
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 10, 2015 14:43:27 GMT -5
Mafia takes practice and the more you play the more you'll understand everything. As long as you're trying to make a genuine effort (instead of just sitting there like a knot on a log not doing anything) then that's good. This isn't to say that being new is an excuse, but I'm just saying that it can be hard to adjust, especially on Day 1. I'd rather look into players who aren't trying. With that being said, there are too many players at this point who aren't really contributing anything. I understand that some people are busy and that they can't be here but others are actually posting and just aren't saying much of worth. We can't let a select few people do all of the discussing. We have to all contribute. Since Albie asked what our thoughts on everything was, I'll go ahead and answer them: As I stated earlier, I definitely want to hear a lot more from most everyone, but in particular I want to hear what Surf and Baron are thinking regarding the game. Hell, you can throw Mikey in that bunch also. They've all been posting post-RVS (minus Baron) but I haven't really seen anything in their posts that actually looks to move the game forward. Surf in particular strikes me as odd because he's posted these convenient votes without reasoning at all and it's coming off as bandwagoning. He's probably my strongest suspicion at this point. Baron's another suspicion of mine because it's not like him to not post and to generally just avoid discussion. He also was perhaps the most eager for this game to start but with his level of activity you'd never be able to tell. Will need to see more from. Bigfan also hasn't said much but given that this is his first game and it is only Day 1 I'm not too concerned about it (although if this continues past today I'll probably start to be more suspicious of him). That being said, I would love to hear more from you when you get the chance. On the flipside, Albie is also new and while I can see how Libra's theory could be plausible I'm not too suspicious of him at the moment. He did come into the thread to try and explain himself and he's seemingly starting to get more involved in the gameplay. He also doesn't want to lynch someone who is contributing a lot which makes me feel like he's town at the moment and I don't think that lynching Albie would really help us any due to the fact that so many people are contributing far less. Codex has also been inactive really but he's claimed to be really busy and I believe him. If I'm not mistaken his school started back this week? That could be a detriment to his activity levels (as it could to everyone) and he's already stated that he'll look over everything. I'll have to see that before I can really get a read on him. I'm really not getting anything from Liucci but I agree 100% that the votes on him don't really have much backing at all and shouldn't even be on him. Go figure that both of the people that I want to hear more from are the exact ones who have the bs votes on him. Surf's vote strikes me as more suspicious than Baron's, though, given that Baron's was a remnant of RVS and Surf's was only based on "a gut feeling" that was more convenient than anything else. I just can't shake the feeling that he's not just playing a lazy game. I could be mistaken but honestly this is the most that I have to go off of. Libra, Az, and Max all are posting frequently and their posts are full of substance so I'm leaning town on them at the moment. They might be worth looking into later, but honestly the more people that are trying to push discussion at the moment the better. As for Drag... I think anyone who throws a vote out there on someone random, especially those who seemingly do it more than once (drag) deserve an extra look. That's what I was trying to bring up earlier. His voting patterns his game have been odd to say the least. I originally thought that he was dodging Libra's question but he explained that he just simply missed it and I'm willing to believe that for now. While Drag has posted a bit more than most of my other suspicions, this fact (the one you pointed out) still keeps jumping out at me. I still have an FoS on him but given what I've said earlier I still think there are better candidates for a lynch today. Recap: Most Suspicious: Surf, Baron, to a lesser extent Drag Null: Codex, Liucci, Mikey, Bigfan Leaning Town: Albie, Max, Az, Libra
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Post by Libra on Sept 10, 2015 14:50:54 GMT -5
Albie took his vote off me.
I will do the same in return, actually. Unvote: Albie
Will post my thoughts on the four (!) potential wagons in a bit.
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 10, 2015 14:57:49 GMT -5
Four...? Baron, Bigfan, Liucci and...? Who's the fourth, Codex?
To me the wagons leading to Bigfan/Liucci/Codex don't have a lot of substance to them so I don't follow.
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 10, 2015 15:00:54 GMT -5
Could Surf be the fourth?
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 10, 2015 15:04:44 GMT -5
Does/has Surf had a wagon on him? I didn't think so, just suspicions/callouts for a weak vote.
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Post by bigfan101 on Sept 10, 2015 15:16:12 GMT -5
New guy here, again, sorry if my posts seem very bandwagony. I only read the last mafia game and the rules and honestly thought that is what you were supposed to do. The last thing I was trying to do is make everybody suspicious of me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 15:18:04 GMT -5
I'm back! Now just give me a while to process everything.
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Post by Zeebz on Sept 10, 2015 15:19:37 GMT -5
Does/has Surf had a wagon on him? I didn't think so, just suspicions/callouts for a weak vote. True. I don't think it's an official wagon, but perhaps that is what he meant?
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 10, 2015 15:23:04 GMT -5
New guy here, again, sorry if my posts seem very bandwagony. I only read the last mafia game and the rules and honestly thought that is what you were supposed to do. The last thing I was trying to do is make everybody suspicious of me. Yeah, the point of Mafia is to make a decisive choice, as a group, who you think is a traitor and lynch them, with evidence to support the accusation/lynch. Jumping on a bandwagon isn't good because it's a lazy tactic. If a bandwagon forms on an innocent person it just makes it easy for scum to slip in the extra votes needed to ensure a mis-lynch which is what the Town doesn't want.
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Post by Albie on Sept 10, 2015 15:24:51 GMT -5
Codex just for clarification, you are content with leaving your vote on bigfan if you do indeed fall asleep before deadline (which I expect you will since it's already late in your neck of the woods), correct?
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Post by bigfan101 on Sept 10, 2015 15:27:15 GMT -5
New guy here, again, sorry if my posts seem very bandwagony. I only read the last mafia game and the rules and honestly thought that is what you were supposed to do. The last thing I was trying to do is make everybody suspicious of me. Yeah, the point of Mafia is to make a decisive choice, as a group, who you think is a traitor and lynch them, with evidence to support the accusation/lynch. Jumping on a bandwagon isn't good because it's a lazy tactic. If a bandwagon forms on an innocent person it just makes it easy for scum to slip in the extra votes needed to ensure a mis-lynch which is what the Town doesn't want. Got it. Well I am going to make this vote completely on my own then. Green Baron's lack of activity to me is odd especially how often he has been tagged in this thread. Until I have more of an idea on what completely I should be basing my vote on, inactivity is the best I have so.... VOTE: Green Baron
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 15:33:24 GMT -5
still reading, but for now unvote: codex now that he's contributing more.
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Post by Albie on Sept 10, 2015 15:51:24 GMT -5
Thank you for that Codex. I just wanted to make sure I understood correctly that you still are suspicious of bigfan. I know he was your #1 priority for lynch in your previous post but I was unclear if you were changing your stance or not.
So at the moment, it looks like bigfan still has 3 votes to lynch and Green Baron also has 3 votes to lynch. I imagine Green baron is at school so hope to hear from him in the next few hours. I'm still not sure bigfan is deserving of the votes he has but that may just be my newbie sympathy talking.
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