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Post by bigfan101 on Oct 15, 2015 12:03:36 GMT -5
Finally.
So...two of us our mafia, two are Chosen Town and one vanilla townie. Geez.
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Post by Albie on Oct 15, 2015 13:17:12 GMT -5
Well sh*t. First off, I have to apologize to town for not being around this past weekend. I was out at a music festival for pretty much all of Saturday and Sunday. I am really sorry that I was unable to come in and help at that time especially given the consequences of losing Coco. I have been reading and catching up on everything and I would have moved my vote to Drag given all the evidence Coco had presented – but now I see that would have resulted in a mislynch as well. And now we don’t have Coco or Drag to help. Coco and Drag, my two biggest suspects are gone. Coco had me 100% convinced of Drag’s scuminess and to see her be just so wrong is really telling. What it says to me is that this is an experienced player we’re dealing with here. And that only leaves us with Liucci as the prime suspect.
I’m trying to think through the fact that Liucci was so insistent on Drag as his biggest town read. That was part of what helped lead me to believe that Drag was scum as I had in mind that Liucci could be his partner. But seeing how that wasn’t the case, its now evident that it was just a very convincing ploy to leave the rest of us actual townies to fight amongst ourselves and lynch Drag, doing all of scum’s dirty work for them. I mean, Drag even had his biggest town read on Liucci and that is pretty masterful game play then to fool other very experienced players.
I am now more inclined than ever to believe that Liucci is partnered with a newbie, whether that is Bigfan or Narwhals I am not entirely certain but my biggest read is on Bigfan as it has been since his day 1 performance. He seems to have been playing one way at the beginning and then started turning things around on day 2 – this must be a result of his coaching and slap on the wrist by his veteran scum coach following his antics on day 1. I am ruling out Baron because he just hasn’t been around enough for either town or scum but especially for scum. I have a hard time believing that one person could really drive the scum team so I am putting Baron in the town category.
I suppose I could be entirely wrong here but to me it seems pretty clear at this point – and if Liucci is indeed town well then he actually hasn’t been playing that great of a game to be so fooled by a newbie scum team of Bigfan and Narwhals and that just seems harder for me to believe.
These statements from Narwhals stood out to me. I find his analysis good in that I think it shows how Liucci has been planting seeds of doubt everywhere in a way. Coco saw these as clues to Drag’s scuminess but I’m thinking its more of a clue towards Liucci’s.
"Back to the piggybacking thing, so this day phase starts, and there it is again, Luicci votes for me & Drag is right along to vote with him. Then they unvote me and guess what? Liucci votes for Green Baron and Drag is right along to vote with him. So knowing that both chosen townies are still in the game, this is leading me to believe that Green Baron and I may be chosen townies and Drag/Liucci are desperate for a chosen townie lynch this phase. And since it seemed more likely Green Baron would be lynched, they moved over to him instead of me. This may seem like an odd suggestion, but it clicks with me.
Both scum seem to be slipping by as Albie noted earlier, and both Liucci/Drag them just went off everybody's radar for the longest time, which is another reason that leads me think they could be the scum team. Liucci brought up the possibility of Drag-Green Baron being a scum team. and then out of nowhere came up with some reasoning to dismiss it. It's like he's constantly coming to his defense. I'm thinking we need to consider them being a pair."
The only doubt I have is from this post of Liucci’s. I am still not sure why he would choose to get Coco lynched over Drag being that Drag was the easier target at that time. Its a smart move I suppose. It does keep him consistent in his stance making him look more convincing as town. The part that speaks to me the most though is the final comment where he’d be willing to lynch GB but not Bigfan essentially helping take heat off his potential scum partner Bigfan.
"I can't quite put a finger on it, but something regarding Coco seems off to me. He seems overly too desperate for a Drag lynch, and that is rubbing me the wrong way. He seems certain Drag is scum, and well I can't replicate that same certainty. I've mentioned thinking Drag is town, and I still feel that way, and unlike Coco I don't see any discrepancies between the way he's playing this game and the way he has played past games as town, therefore I can't bring myself to think he's scum. I'm thinking Coco is a better lynch than Drag, therefore Vote: Coco
Although I will concede to the fact that I don't feel as if Drag has really done anything of substance. I think a lynch for either Coco or Drag would give us much more information to work with for the next day phase than a Green Baron or bigfan lynch although I'm not entirely against a GB lynch."
To say that and then follow that up with this makes no sense. Are you ok with lynching someone who is not around or not?
"My second biggest town read is bigfan. And lynching somebody while they're away didn't work out the first time, so I don't know. I'll think about it."
And then what was this from Bigfan? Random question to try to switch the vote to a person who is not even there and for no reason?
"Do we want to switch to Green Baron since he is not here?"
And then this vote post-deadline which I have no idea what the point was there?
"Screw it ... I know I am town, so I have to vote elsewhere vote: Drag"
Honestly, I’m unsure of who could be partnered up with Liucci – it could be either Bigfan or Narwhals but I have conflicting reasons for both of them. The one thing that seems clear to me though is that Liucci is scum. And if this is wrong well then we just suck. Vote: Liucci
Green Baron it would be really great if you could play at all this day phase. I know there are only three of us left in town but it is still possible that we don’t get completely overrun by mafia if we get the lynch right this day.
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Post by bigfan101 on Oct 15, 2015 13:38:01 GMT -5
Albie, first off, I totally changed my game play due to something you actually said. I wasn't playing entirely for the town, and was more on the defensive. I realized, with your posts help, that I could help my self and the town by just contributing and digging deeper into the gameplay, which is what I did. Unfortunately, it was all for not again, but I tried to put forth the effort. My vote change at the last minute was due to the fact that I was unsure of game rules. When Luicci for some reason, quit voting, there was three of us all tied at two votes and I thought that I was the first person to get to two votes, so I tried to switch from Coco to Drag to ensure someone that i had suspicion on was lynched. I think honestly the scum is Green Baron still. I should not have gotten away from my gut feeling last time, so Vote: Green Baron
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Post by Albie on Oct 15, 2015 13:54:45 GMT -5
^ok but what you're still doing is saving yourself. That remains your priority as per your statement above.
It didn't really matter if you voted for Coco or Drag in the end if you knew they were both town already. If you really wanted to ensure that someone you had suspicion on was lynched then you would have left your vote on Coco. For that matter, you would have left your vote on Green Baron since, as you say, he is your biggest scum read and you have now voted for him. As Coco pointed out, we need to vote with some conviction here and all you continue to do is move your vote around here and there and really just kind of try to confuse the rest of us to throw us off your trail - and again, your goal remains just to save yourself. Scum vibes continue.
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Post by bigfan101 on Oct 15, 2015 14:13:50 GMT -5
^ok but what you're still doing is saving yourself. That remains your priority as per your statement above. It didn't really matter if you voted for Coco or Drag in the end if you knew they were both town already. If you really wanted to ensure that someone you had suspicion on was lynched then you would have left your vote on Coco. For that matter, you would have left your vote on Green Baron since, as you say, he is your biggest scum read and you have now voted for him. As Coco pointed out, we need to vote with some conviction here and all you continue to do is move your vote around here and there and really just kind of try to confuse the rest of us to throw us off your trail - and again, your goal remains just to save yourself. Scum vibes continue. Albie, I know that I am town, so I am not switching my votes to save myself, I am switching my votes so I know someone who could potentially scum goes. If I go, then I know town goes, which was big for the last vote.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 15:35:51 GMT -5
vote: Green Baron
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 15:35:59 GMT -5
vote: Green Baron
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Post by Libra on Oct 15, 2015 15:41:37 GMT -5
Congratulations bigfan, you've committed the fatal mistake that's just cost Town this game.
Explanations/future advice/and all that jazz to be coming shortly.
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Post by Albie on Oct 15, 2015 15:43:10 GMT -5
IS THIS REAL LIFE? omg
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 15:44:36 GMT -5
Great deduction skills by the way, Albie! You're turning into quite the natural mafia player.
Although, you really shouldn't lay any votes down newbies until you can get everyone's input when it's LYLO like this. That way, scum is at least a bit nervous and it might show in their posts.
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Post by Libra on Oct 15, 2015 15:45:08 GMT -5
Your final read on Liucci was exact. End of story.
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Post by Albie on Oct 15, 2015 15:45:29 GMT -5
It would be nice if Green Baron could get in here and back me up but he probably won't and this is game, set, match for town
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Post by Libra on Oct 15, 2015 15:46:02 GMT -5
No, it's already over. Green Baron is the lynch with 3 votes, which is the only reason why I'm here now.
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Post by Albie on Oct 15, 2015 15:46:41 GMT -5
Ugh I knew it the minute you didn't get right in this thread when Day 3 started. And I should have known it was Narwhals damn it.
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Post by Libra on Oct 15, 2015 15:47:27 GMT -5
Although, you really shouldn't lay any votes down newbies until you can get everyone's input when it's LYLO like this. That way, scum is at least a bit nervous and it might show in their posts. You'll see me noting this when the Green Room gets posted, but - Albie, bigfan, do you even know what LYLO is?
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Post by Albie on Oct 15, 2015 15:47:43 GMT -5
'you' meaning Liucci. And I voted for you because of how certain I was but you're right I should have just cast the suspicion and tried to talk it out with bigfan but I jumped the gun.
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Post by Albie on Oct 15, 2015 15:49:05 GMT -5
Although, you really shouldn't lay any votes down newbies until you can get everyone's input when it's LYLO like this. That way, scum is at least a bit nervous and it might show in their posts. You'll see me noting this when the Green Room gets posted, but - Albie, bigfan, do you even know what LYLO is? yeah bigfan kind of summed it up earlier...when there is like a 2:1 ratio for town to scum right? so we either get it right or its over.
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Post by Libra on Oct 15, 2015 15:49:53 GMT -5
'you' meaning Liucci. And I voted for you because of how certain I was but you're right I should have just cast the suspicion and tried to talk it out with bigfan but I jumped the gun. Your only mistake there (technically), was voting right away, because no player should ever do that in LYLO. That said, because bigfan did the same thing AND was fatally wrong, nothing else mattered. So don't kick yourself over what you could have done - I suspect that even had you withheld your vote, bigfan would not have.
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Post by Libra on Oct 15, 2015 15:51:39 GMT -5
yeah bigfan kind of summed it up earlier...when there is like a 2:1 ratio for town to scum right? so we either get it right or its over. Close. It's when lynching the wrong player immediately causes Endgame with a Town loss. Numbers in such situations will vary.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 15:52:54 GMT -5
The unvote from Liucii is very odd, it seemed calculated. Agreed, then disappearing for the last five minutes of deliberations without casting a vote? Very odd. Second consecutive end of day that Luicci has done something off. But goes and votes Green Baron. Like seriously, reading the last page isn't all that difficult. Both Green Baron for doing absolutely nothing and bigfan were infuriating during this game.
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Post by Albie on Oct 15, 2015 15:54:03 GMT -5
'you' meaning Liucci. And I voted for you because of how certain I was but you're right I should have just cast the suspicion and tried to talk it out with bigfan but I jumped the gun. Your only mistake there (technically), was voting right away, because no player should ever do that in LYLO. That said, because bigfan did the same thing AND was fatally wrong, nothing else mattered. So don't kick yourself over what you could have done - I suspect that even had you withheld your vote, bigfan would not have. Lesson learned for sure. I actually had a lot more fun playing as town than I did as scum last time. Not that it wasn't fun playing as scum, I just found it more stressful whereas this was really fun to figure out.
I have to say Liucci, great job pining all of us against each other. I'm annoyed that I was so focused on your coaching of bigfan that I glossed over the obvious actual coaching of Narwhals who suddenly turned into an analytical, insightful player after day 1.
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Post by ry4n on Oct 15, 2015 15:54:18 GMT -5
Lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 15:56:09 GMT -5
lol that was too easy..
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Post by Libra on Oct 15, 2015 15:56:40 GMT -5
@jb23241, you were very lucky in getting handed this end result - as pointed out in Albie's read of you (and in the Green Room as well), you left way too many scum hints. Needless to say I'd have nailed you to the wall had you not killed me.
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Post by Albie on Oct 15, 2015 16:00:01 GMT -5
I will say that the goal of this game was achieved for me - I have taken this for the tutorial that it was. It has been really helpful so thanks for organizing this Kunt.
I cannot wait to get the green room link.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 16:01:17 GMT -5
@jb23241, you were very lucky in getting handed this end result - as pointed out in Albie's read of you (and in the Green Room as well), you left way too many scum hints. Needless to say I'd have nailed you to the wall had you not killed me. Lol. And that's exactly why I killed you, because you're a great town player.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 16:05:50 GMT -5
Agreed, then disappearing for the last five minutes of deliberations without casting a vote? Very odd. Second consecutive end of day that Luicci has done something off. Both Green Baron for doing absolutely nothing and bigfan were infuriating during this game. Who ironically were the two chosen townies...
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Post by bigfan101 on Oct 15, 2015 16:08:46 GMT -5
Although, you really shouldn't lay any votes down newbies until you can get everyone's input when it's LYLO like this. That way, scum is at least a bit nervous and it might show in their posts. You'll see me noting this when the Green Room gets posted, but - Albie, bigfan, do you even know what LYLO is? I don't. Wait what just happened?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 16:09:32 GMT -5
You'll see me noting this when the Green Room gets posted, but - Albie, bigfan, do you even know what LYLO is? I don't. Wait what just happened? Narwhals and I were scum, we quick hammered Green Baron - one of the chosen townies.
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Post by bigfan101 on Oct 15, 2015 16:11:11 GMT -5
'you' meaning Liucci. And I voted for you because of how certain I was but you're right I should have just cast the suspicion and tried to talk it out with bigfan but I jumped the gun. I cannot believe I fell for Luicci's shit again
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