Billboard Hot 100: 11/07/2015

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El Perdon is gone after 30 weeks. And it didn't even crack the Top 55.

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Oct 27, 2015 7:44:09 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Oct 27, 2015 0:50:42 GMT -5 @markg94 said:

Omfg really? I constantly saw Hotline Bling video memes - not a single one of Harlem Shake. Smfh that's just unf**kingbelievable. By the same logic that Harlem Shake was #1, shouldn't Hotline Bling should be #1 too? Makes less than zero sense.


somehow I had a bad feeling this would happen...

Why does a meme mean a song should be #1?

  

I sense sarcasm in what Mark is saying.

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Oct 27, 2015 9:29:09 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Oct 27, 2015 7:44:09 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Why does a meme mean a song should be #1?

  

I sense sarcasm in what Mark is saying.

Well considering the type of poster he is here, he probably is being a bit sarcastic.

[jenglisbe]

Oct 27, 2015 9:43:56 GMT -5 @jakelmmrs44 said:

Oct 27, 2015 9:29:09 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

  

I sense sarcasm in what Mark is saying.

Well considering the type of poster he is here, he probably is being a bit sarcastic.

Well, in terms of Mark:



We don't all know one another's personalities, so thanks.

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when something is so utterly ridiculous sounding, i just assume sarcasm. you never know.  

[lyhom]

knowing mark it's probably not sarcasm lmao

[imbondz]

Oct 26, 2015 19:48:14 GMT -5 squirrelgate said:

Oct 26, 2015 19:14:06 GMT -5 imbondz said:

^ I don't see that. Spotify works just as easy on iOS as Apple music.

Spotify's not pre-installed, though. The 10 year old girl who gets her 1st iPhone for Christmas isn't going to go out and download Spotify and use that, she's going to get the service that she can pay for using the iTunes gift cards she got for Christmas.

Plus there's the whole deal with exclusivity, with which Apple will crush Spotify. Apple has the determination and ability to take back the music industry, so it's going to happen.

True that.

[badrobot]

^It's totally possible that Apple Music and Spotify may co-exist.

Apple Music's subscriptions didn't quite crater, I think they had something like 6 million? Spotify has 20 million right?

I think the split will be -- people who didn't stream but used iTunes now have an easy way to get into streaming and will likely use Apple Music.

People who were already streaming may stick with Spotify.

[Gary]

One Direction Beats Beatles' Record With Fifth Top 10 Debut on Hot 100
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By Gary Trust | October 27, 2015 12:00 PM EDT


With its latest Billboard Hot 100 debut, One Direction bests the group's British boy band ancestors the Beatles.

As previously reported, One Direction roars onto the Hot 100 (dated Nov. 7) at No. 10 with new single "Perfect." Fueling its start, it begins at No. 2 on the Digital Songs chart with 136,000 sold in its first week, according to Nielsen Music, and No. 18 on Streaming Songs (6.9 million U.S. streams), following the arrival of its official video Oct. 20.

"Perfect" is 1D's fifth top 10 debut on the Hot 100, and second from its Nov. 13 album Made in the A.M.; "Drag Me Down" debuted and peaked at No. 3 upon its arrival on the Aug. 22. With five, One Direction breaks the record for the most top 10 Hot 100 debuts among groups, passing the Beatles' four. Counting all artists, Taylor Swift has tallied a record 12 top 10 debuts, dating to the Hot 100's 1958 inception.

Before "Perfect" and "Drag" (the latter of which tied the Beatles' mark), One Direction debuted at No. 3 on the Hot 100 with "Live While We're Young" (No. 3, Oct. 20, 2012), "Best Song Ever" (No. 2, Aug. 10, 2013) and "Story of My Life" (No. 6, Nov. 16, 2013).

The Beatles launched three of their fab four top 10 Hot 100 debuts in their original historic heyday, and one as a reunited trio (featuring the late John Lennon's vocals) more than a quarter-century later: "Hey Jude" (No. 10, Sept. 14, 1968), "Get Back," with Billy Preston (No. 10, May 10, 1969), "Let It Be" (No. 6, March 21, 1970) and "Free as a Bird" (No. 10, Dec. 30, 1995).

Notably, until the adoption of Nielsen Music data in the '90s, which made top 10 Hot 100 debuts more regular (although still fully laudable), the Beatles boasted the only such arrivals, with "Jude," "Back" and "Let."

1D also launches a second Hot 100 debut this week. Further down the chart, "Home" -- a stand-alone track not on the new album -- enters at No. 97.

[YourFaveIsAFlop]

Oct 27, 2015 11:01:05 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Oct 26, 2015 19:48:14 GMT -5 squirrelgate said:

Spotify's not pre-installed, though. The 10 year old girl who gets her 1st iPhone for Christmas isn't going to go out and download Spotify and use that, she's going to get the service that she can pay for using the iTunes gift cards she got for Christmas.

Plus there's the whole deal with exclusivity, with which Apple will crush Spotify. Apple has the determination and ability to take back the music industry, so it's going to happen.

True that.

Samsung Milk is preinstalled on all Samsung phones. Google Play is on all android phones. They aren't setting the world on fire just because they're automatically there when you unbox your phone.

[lyhom]

honestly I could see apple music gaining ground in a few years but for now spotify's popularity and comparative user friendliness could win out

[felipe]

Oct 26, 2015 21:02:11 GMT -5 Gary said:

The whole "erased from history" thing has actually happened before. To see the actual biggest songs of the 90s, you need the airplay charts, not the Hot 100.


Now this (assuming it was a lock for #1 like most here thinks) still peaks at #2 and would have AT BEST only spent 1 week at #1, not a big deal.

Don't Speak didn't chart on the Hot 100. It's still one of the biggest hits of the 90s. Billboard can't erase history because Billboard can't write history. They're just trying to report what goes on in the real world, even though chart stans might take Billboard's pages for it.

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Oct 27, 2015 13:17:59 GMT -5 felipe said:

Oct 26, 2015 21:02:11 GMT -5 Gary said:

The whole "erased from history" thing has actually happened before. To see the actual biggest songs of the 90s, you need the airplay charts, not the Hot 100.


Now this (assuming it was a lock for #1 like most here thinks) still peaks at #2 and would have AT BEST only spent 1 week at #1, not a big deal.

Don't Speak didn't chart on the Hot 100. It's still one of the biggest hits of the 90s. Billboard can't erase history because Billboard can't write history. They're just trying to report what goes on in the real world, even though chart stans might take Billboard's pages for it.

This is true. The good thing is, literally speaking, the Hot 100 history books (provided by Joel Whitburn) include airplay-only hits when applicable.  

[Gary]

Yes, but none of the all-time lists based on the Hot 100, 90s decade lists, or the threads in this forum that track and predict similar lists in the future will include this song

In that sense, that is a bigger thing than possibly Hotline Bling making or not making #1

[DJ General]

Ugh. Can't believe Drake is screwed

[Gary]

Drake is not screwed, Drake will be fine, 100 chart songs and more to come and will likely be back looking at #1 again sometime in the future.

It is more appropriately, fans of Drake and Hotline Bling are screwed, not Drake himself.

[MTSChart21]

Oct 26, 2015 19:11:22 GMT -5 squirrelgate said:

I am a little bit concerned about Apple refusing to report the streams. Let's face it, it's only a matter of time until Apple Music overtakes Spotify just on the basis of convenience for the millions of people on iOS devices. Considering it's also inevitable that streaming in general will only get bigger and bigger, if Apple doesn't provide their data to Billboard, we could be looking at the beginning of another era where Billboard's charts are largely irrelevant.

I can see it now: one year from now, Apple introduces the 2.0 update for Apple Music: "Now, you can browse what's popular more easily than ever before...just navigate to the "Charts" tab to see what's blowing up on Apple Music, on a daily, weekly, or yearly basis."

I can totally see that happening

[House Lannister]

Oct 26, 2015 15:35:11 GMT -5 YourFaveIsAFlop said:

I'll be very surprised if Like I'm Gonna Lose You outpeaks Dear Future Husband. Didn't see that coming at all when it started its run.

Honestly, I didn't even see the song peaking inside the top 40.

[MTSChart21]

Oct 27, 2015 15:40:32 GMT -5 House Lannister said:

Oct 26, 2015 15:35:11 GMT -5 YourFaveIsAFlop said:

I'll be very surprised if Like I'm Gonna Lose You outpeaks Dear Future Husband. Didn't see that coming at all when it started its run.

Honestly, I didn't even see the song peaking inside the top 40.

Me either, I thought it was done before it made top 50. I'm very surprised by the well deserved success of this song

[Au$tin]

Oct 27, 2015 11:11:05 GMT -5 badrobot said:

^It's totally possible that Apple Music and Spotify may co-exist.

Apple Music's subscriptions didn't quite crater, I think they had something like 6 million? Spotify has 20 million right?

I think the split will be -- people who didn't stream but used iTunes now have an easy way to get into streaming and will likely use Apple Music.

People who were already streaming may stick with Spotify.

Spotify also had AMAZING brand recognition right now. They are "THE" go-to service for streaming at the moment. Even with Apple now competing, Spotify can always fall back on this. They are the biggest out there and can use that as marketing to their advantage. They may lose a few to Apple, but Apple isn't going to be crushing out Spotify.

This is essentially what happened with iTunes and Amazon. iTunes was first, got that brand recognition as the go-to service for purchasing music, and even though they are the more expensive of the two, iTunes' market share over Amazon's is outstanding. Amazon does hold its own, of course, but iTunes prevailed and still does. I expect the same out of Spotify vs. Apple Music.

[SPRΞΞ]

It doesn't help their cause that "Apple Music" doesn't even sound brand-worthy to begin with. Lazy marketing decision if you ask me. They need something one-worded.

AppleTunes or ApTunes, or iMusic would be better.

[lyhom]

tbh "apple music" isn't too bad of a name, but it also sounds a bit too generic to me

honestly I would've made it part of itunes and called it "itunes streaming" or something

[jenglisbe]

Oct 27, 2015 14:16:52 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Oct 27, 2015 13:17:59 GMT -5 felipe said:

Don't Speak didn't chart on the Hot 100. It's still one of the biggest hits of the 90s. Billboard can't erase history because Billboard can't write history. They're just trying to report what goes on in the real world, even though chart stans might take Billboard's pages for it.

This is true. The good thing is, literally speaking, the Hot 100 history books (provided by Joel Whitburn) include airplay-only hits when applicable.  

The airplay charts may show those songs, but that still doesn't mean it accurately reflects their popularity. We've seen plenty of songs that were big in airplay that didn't sell well, for instance.

In other words, no single chart is perfect, but I would think all of us can agree that at this point a chart that combines streams, sales, and airplay is the most accurate. The specific formula is up for debate, though.

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Top 40 Radio Adds this week:

Bold went for adds

140 JUSTIN BIEBER Sorry
132 ADELE Hello
55 GWEN STEFANI Used To Love You
55 ONE DIRECTION Perfect
18 5 SECONDS OF SUMMER Hey Everybody!
18 TOVE LO Moments
17 CHARLIE PUTH One Call Away
17 FETTY WAP 679 f/Remy Boyz
17 MEGHAN TRAINOR Like I'm Gonna Lose You
16 DAYA Hide Away
15 RUDIMENTAL Lay It All On Me f/Ed Sheeran
14 DEMI LOVATO Confident
12 FALL OUT BOY Irresistible f/Demi Lovato
10 CHRIS BROWN Zero
10 DNCE Cake By The Ocean
8 DIPLO & SLEEPY TOM Be Right There
7 FLO RIDA My House
6 DRAKE Hotline Bling
6 LIPSTICK GYPSY The Cure
6 X AMBASSADORS Renegades
5 ALESSIA CARA Here
5 ELLE KING Ex's and Oh's
5 MAX Gibberish f/Hoodie Allen
5 NELLY The Fix f/Jeremih
5 THE CHAINSMOKERS Roses f/Rozes
4 AUDIEN Something Better f/Lady Antebellum
4 CONRAD SEWELL Hold Me Up
4 HALSEY New Americana
4 MANIKA F/TYGA I Might Go...
4 PITBULL FREE.K
4 POST MALONE White Iverson
3 COLEMAN HELL 2 Heads
3 PENTATONIX Can't Sleep Love
3 SHAGGY Only Love f/Pitbull
3 SIA Alive
3 TORI KELLY Hollow
3 YEARS & YEARS Desire
2 ADAM LAMBERT Another Lonely Night
2 CALVIN HARRIS + DISCIPLES How Deep Is Your Love
2 DAWIN Dessert f/Silento
2 ILOVEMEMPHIS (@iheartmemphis) Hit The Quan
2 JESS GLYNNE Hold My Hand
2 MAROON 5 Feelings
2 SKRILLEX & DIPLO To U f/AlunaGeorge
2 TINASHE Player f/Chris Brown
2 THE VAMPS Wake Up
2 ZARA LARSSON Lush Life
1 A-TRAK We All Fall Down f/Jamie Lidel
1 ALEX ANGELO See Through My Eyes
1 BECKY G Break A Sweat
1 BRIELLE Rock The Catwalk
1 DJ SNAKE Middle f/Bipolar Sunshine
1 EMPIRE CAST No Doubt About It
1 FIVE KNIVES Savages
1 GAME Don't Trip
1 JAAFAR Sixteen
1 JASON DERULO Try Me
1 JOJO When Love Hurts
1 KALIN & MYLES Brokenhearted
1 KAT GRAHAM Secrets
1 MAJOR LAZER Powerful f/Ellie Goulding
1 MEEK MILL All Eyes On You f/Nicki Minaj & Chris Brown
1 NICO & VINZ That's How You Know f/Kid Ink & Bebe Rexha
1 OMI Hula Hoop
1 PUNCH !NC Heaven (Beautiful Life)
1 RACHEL PLATTEN Stand By You
1 RICH HOMIE QUAN Flex (Ooh Ooh Ooh)
1 ROBIN SCHULZ Sugar f/Francesco Yates
1 S8IGHTY Halfway
1 SAGE THE GEMINI Gas Pedal
1 SELENA GOMEZ Same Old Love
1 SHAWN MENDES Stitches
1 TAYLOR SWIFT Wildest Dreams
1 THE WEEKND In The Night
1 TWENTY ONE PILOTS Stressed Out

[85la]

Oct 27, 2015 14:47:33 GMT -5 Gary said:

Yes, but none of the all-time lists based on the Hot 100, 90s decade lists, or the threads in this forum that track and predict similar lists in the future will include this song

In that sense, that is a bigger thing than possibly Hotline Bling making or not making #1

The ironic thing is that because of its exclusion from the Hot 100, it has gotten more publicity and talked about more possibly than if it did actually chart (at least amongst us chart geeks). But most people don't follow the Billboard charts very closely, so the fact that it wasn't #1 on the Hot 100 doesn't take away from the fact that it was a very big hit, was and still is very big on radio, many people bought the album, etc....everyone knows the song. It has a firmly established place in history.

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Oct 27, 2015 18:22:06 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Oct 27, 2015 14:16:52 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

This is true. The good thing is, literally speaking, the Hot 100 history books (provided by Joel Whitburn) include airplay-only hits when applicable.  

The airplay charts may show those songs, but that still doesn't mean it accurately reflects their popularity. We've seen plenty of songs that were big in airplay that didn't sell well, for instance.

In other words, no single chart is perfect, but I would think all of us can agree that at this point a chart that combines streams, sales, and airplay is the most accurate. The specific formula is up for debate, though.

Joel Whitburn publishes the Billboard Pop Singles books (among many other books)... this particular book is one big, comprehensive, alphabetical by artist list of all their Billboard Hot 100 hits in chronological order, along with a lot of other information, dates, peaks, longevity, etc.  In this list, he also includes songs that charted high on the airplay chart in the cases where a single wasn't available, signifying the song was a hit. It doesn't itemize every airplay hit separately, rather they are just included in the list if there's a reason to list them (i.e. during the time in the 90s when a commercial single had to be available to chart.)  Madonna's "Into the Groove", No Doubt's "Don't Speak", for examples... and notated the peak position was on the airplay chart. It's a comprehensive "bible" of what songs were popular, basically.

Effectively, songs aren't erased from history just because of how they chart (or don't) on the Hot 100... that's all I'm trying to say by giving an example.  So a non-chart geek might reference this book and al the songs that were popular are in it, commercial single or Hot 100 or not.  Even songs that aren't sales or radio hits are sometimes listed in the "noteworthy" section of this book (non-singles that won a grammy, etc.)

I agree there is no perfect chart.  Which is why I'm mentioning this book because it does a great job of showing popular music & chart history in a very comprehensive way, not just based on one thing.  This isn't worth dragging out - I just thought it would be useful to some people who may think history books like this are missing songs because they weren't on the Hot 100, and that's not the case.

Ok, annnnnd I'm done.

[felipe]

Oct 27, 2015 14:47:33 GMT -5 Gary said:

Yes, but none of the all-time lists based on the Hot 100, 90s decade lists, or the threads in this forum that track and predict similar lists in the future will include this song

In that sense, that is a bigger thing than possibly Hotline Bling making or not making #1

Ok, Don't Speak might not be featured on all-time lists published on Billboard or in this forum, but most of the world's population doesn't read either, they just know the song was a big hit and that's what counts. It doesn't need to be on a 90s decade list on Pulse to validate that.