Billboard Hot 100: 01/09/2016

[Ravi]

It was pretty close this week between Hello and Sorry:


Rank - Song - Sales - Airplay - Streams = Points

1 - Hello - 174 - 160 - 21.1 = 54,000
2 - Sorry - 138 - 139 - 24.4 = 52,500

Next week Hello should win comfortably due to huge sales lead, but after that, anything can happen.

[jerz]

Dec 28, 2015 17:46:23 GMT -5 rimetm said:

Dec 28, 2015 15:18:35 GMT -5 MTSChart21 said:

1. Hello (=)
2. Sorry (=)
3. Love Yourself (+1)
4. Hotline Bling (-1)
5. What Do You Mean? (=)
6. Same Old Love (=)
7. Here (+1)
8. Stitches (+1)
9. The Hills (-2)
10. Like I'm Gonna Lose You (=)
11. All I Want For Christmas (+7)
12. Jumpman (+1)
13. Stressed Out (+6)
20. Roses (+6)
33. I Know What You Did Last Summer (+13)
39. Hands To Myself (+23)
54. When We Were Young (+1)

Added a little something confirmed by Gary Trust on Twitter.

In "I Know What You Did Last Summer", it became Shawn Mendes' 3rd Top 40 hit when his second Top 40 (and first Top 10) song (Stitches) climbed back into #8 (it already peaked at #4) and Camilla's 1st Top 40 hit.

[badrobot]

Dec 28, 2015 23:02:22 GMT -5 @towerofshowers said:

badrobot, are you J.J. Abrams?

No... definitely not... *does a scrooge mcduck dive into a giant pit of Star Wars money*

[magik]

I wouldn't be surprised at "Hello" staying at #1 a few weeks more. "Sorry" is hitting a brick wall in airplay, and "Hello" is gaining a lot in airplay after the Christmas freeze. "Sorry" might peak at #2 and "Love Yourself" will be #1 instead.

[carreramd]

Let It Go finally debuted!!!
Same for Chris Brown's Zero!
I just don't understood why RGF Island re-enter the chart. Can someone please tell me why?

[velaxti]

RGF Island is one of his best songs! Maybe its starting to get airplay now or something (possible, Again looks like it's close to peaking on urban). Either that or a viral video or a remix. I actually assumed it'd been on the Hot 100 all this time anyway.

[Deleted]

Why in the world did "Watch Me", "Hit The Quan" and "Bet You Can't Do It Like Me" go up?

[jtd Thee Stallion]

Dec 29, 2015 9:42:15 GMT -5 @billboardfan1 said:

Why in the world did "Watch Me", "Hit The Quan" and "Bet You Can't Do It Like Me" go up?

Probably all will go up next week too..

[Deleted]

Dec 28, 2015 21:34:21 GMT -5 badrobot said:

I hope some folks realize my question about Mariah's chances at top ten wasn't so ridiculous after all, since she just barely missed it.

awww badrobot.  nobody said it was ridiculous.  someone said "no chance" and i said "it's possible... but if i had to bet i'd say it won't make it this year".  it did great and came super close.

i do, however, feel like it's a matter of circumstance more than it is a growing demand for the song year after year.  it's THE modern holiday staple and has been since it came out 20+ years ago... so it will always come down to (and be in the hands of) timing and how christmas falls within the tracking period, chart rules, and chart formula/weighting.  Last year, it didn't even stand a chance at top 20.  Some years it's going to have more top 10 potential, some years it will have less.  This was a near perfect year for it in terms of charting well.  Had Christmas fallen on Thursday, it would have probably went top 10.  Unfortunately, Christmas won't fall on a Thursday for several years.  It's on a Friday again in 2020, on a Wednesday in 2024, and a Thursday in 2025.  Maybe the increased weighting of Streaming in the formula will keep its chances up regardless of other factors.  We'll see.

on a personal note, while i feel like it is "deserving" of a top 10 placement at some point... there are a lot of songs i feel that way about... and worse, songs that NEVER. EVEN. CHARTED. ONCE. but were ENORMOUS pop hits... so i don't really feel like it's THAT big of a deal.  some of these huge pop classics won't ever chart, because they don't have the advantage of being a holiday song... so it's kind of a trade off... AIWFCIY gets to chart every year.  that's pretty cool, regardless of peak.  the fact remains, ALL of these songs in question COULD have been Hot 100 hits had the record company chosen to release them as commercial singles when they were initially released.  anyway...  holiday songs are a different breed, and while i give mariah all the credit in the world for cowriting and singing a brilliant, classic holiday pop song.... it isn't really about her anymore.  the popularity of the song is like any other holiday classic from long before 1994 that still charts today.... nobody really cares who sings it... it's just a holiday classic to listen to for a month every year.  bing crosby took White Christmas to #1 in 3 separate years, and it has sold well over 100m copies... that's pretty crazy, and AIWFCIY has some big accomplishments of its own, but I like to keep it in perspective and not go overboard.  it's a little off-putting to me to have this huge pop star like mariah with a legendary catalog of pop hits all be reduced to being known for one holiday song - especially by her core fan base - and that's kinda how it feels to me at this point.  

[Deleted]

Dec 29, 2015 9:42:15 GMT -5 @billboardfan1 said:

Why in the world did "Watch Me", "Hit The Quan" and "Bet You Can't Do It Like Me" go up?

Kids off school = kids dancing to these songs with their friends (or in their mirrors?) over and over and over and over via streaming.  Plus I'm sure there's a little of the year-end stuff ready to kick in for the first two you mentioned... they don't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon.  That "Bet You Can't" song is somehow worse than either of the other 2, which I didn't think was possible.

[lyhom]

lmao I can deal with most of the "vine hits" these days, but that dlow song is just awful. I'm surprised it's even charting as high as it is anyways, since it appears that it's only streaming keeping it afloat

[Deleted]

The Streaming metric is interesting... there's a part of me that isn't a fan of the effect it has on the Hot 100. BUT... it is tapping into and representing a huge section of the public demand that isn't otherwise being recognized by the overly-homogenized Radio metric. It's just interesting that Streaming is turning out to be just as homogenized as Radio, really. It's the same songs, over and over, for 8 months to a year+.

Funny how things work.  It's almost like radio has trained us to play a song out until we hate it.... but that takes a LONG time for many of us, apparently.

[Gary]

The same Christmas songs will be back again next year and the year after that and so forth. "New" Christmas songs that stick around more than one season are pretty hard to come by. Only a handful of songs written after 1962 have lasted more than a season or two.

Off the top of my head: besides Mariah Carey, songs by Wham!, Elton John, Eagles, Paul McCartney, Band Aid, Trans-Siberian Orchestra and the Carpenters seems to be the only ones that get significant play.

[jtd Thee Stallion]

Dec 29, 2015 10:57:32 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Dec 29, 2015 9:42:15 GMT -5 @billboardfan1 said:

Why in the world did "Watch Me", "Hit The Quan" and "Bet You Can't Do It Like Me" go up?

Kids off school = kids dancing to these songs with their friends (or in their mirrors?) over and over and over and over via streaming.  Plus I'm sure there's a little of the year-end stuff ready to kick in for the first two you mentioned... they don't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon.  That "Bet You Can't" song is somehow worse than either of the other 2, which I didn't think was possible.

And the atrocious Lean and Dabb, which might enter next week and is worse than all 3.

[MTSChart21]

A few observations for this week:

-Let me start with this. I still hate that 52 week re-current rule. I wanted to see the legit amount of weeks that Trap Queen would last. I would love to see at least 1 song chart for 100 weeks

-Please tell me In The Night's drop was only for this week and that it will climb back up. This is one of the best by The Weeknd and one of the best for 2016 already. I want to see this hit #1 (after Sorry does. I mean if Sorry does)

-I don't think Sorry is getting number 1. It's just a matter of time until Sorry starts fading. These sales give Hello another week to block Sorry.

-I wish we could see sales numbers like this every week. 16 songs above 100k sales? I would like that every week

[Deleted]

I feel like In The Night is a decent, but fairly disposable, MJ-by-the-numbers pop song.... and since they released it, I've questioned its potential to be a big hit for The Weeknd, at least relative to his last 3 mega-smashes. I just don't hear a smash here, sorry.  That being said, Can't Feel My Face is really the only one of the big 3 that sounds like a huge pop hit, so if I'm wrong about In The Night, I won't be surprised.

[MTSChart21]

Dec 29, 2015 6:14:37 GMT -5 carreramd said:

Let It Go finally debuted!!!
Same for Chris Brown's Zero!
I just don't understood why RGF Island re-enter the chart. Can someone please tell me why?

I'm glad for Let It Go and Zero
RGF Island's re-entry is probably some gain in streaming

[MTSChart21]

Dec 29, 2015 11:54:31 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

I feel like In The Night is a decent, but fairly disposable, MJ-by-the-numbers pop song.... and since they released it, I've questioned its potential to be a big hit for The Weeknd, at least relative to his last 3 mega-smashes. I just don't hear a smash here, sorry.

I have to agree with you here. Don't get me wrong, In The Night is a great song, but I don't see it being the hit potential that CFMF, TH, or EI had

[badrobot]

Broccoli, I have no particular love for AIWFCIY but just thought it would be an interesting chart feat. I agree its peak this year is largely a matter of circumstance -- chart week was almost perfectly timed, streaming helped it considerably -- but I do feel like there was more Mariah in the news this December, specifically about that song too.

What's the longest timeframe between initial release and hitting top ten btw? (Or revisiting top ten?) I can think of Whitney, Elton (although not sure if CITW 97 can quite be considered the same song), Queen... MJ would've done it had the rules been different.

[Gary]

Stand By Me - Ben E King 1986

[purplefebruary]

Dec 29, 2015 11:54:31 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

I feel like In The Night is a decent, but fairly disposable, MJ-by-the-numbers pop song.... and since they released it, I've questioned its potential to be a big hit for The Weeknd, at least relative to his last 3 mega-smashes. I just don't hear a smash here, sorry.  That being said, Can't Feel My Face is really the only one of the big 3 that sounds like a huge pop hit, so if I'm wrong about In The Night, I won't be surprised.

I thought it was going to be another #1 hit, I dunno, maybe it's a case of late single syndrome, this will be his 4th in this 50 Shades/BBTM era afterall. I would still like to be right, I don't like getting predictions wrong, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.

BTW, anyone know which big act is planning something for Q1? I can only think of Rihanna's new album.

[carreramd]

Dec 29, 2015 13:04:10 GMT -5 purplefebruary said:

Dec 29, 2015 11:54:31 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

I feel like In The Night is a decent, but fairly disposable, MJ-by-the-numbers pop song.... and since they released it, I've questioned its potential to be a big hit for The Weeknd, at least relative to his last 3 mega-smashes. I just don't hear a smash here, sorry.  That being said, Can't Feel My Face is really the only one of the big 3 that sounds like a huge pop hit, so if I'm wrong about In The Night, I won't be surprised.

I thought it was going to be another #1 hit, I dunno, maybe it's a case of late single syndrome, this will be his 4th in this 50 Shades/BBTM era afterall. I would still like to be right, I don't like getting predictions wrong, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.

BTW, anyone know which big act is planning something for Q1? I can only think of Rihanna's new album.

Ariana, probably.

[Deleted]

Dec 29, 2015 12:56:58 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Broccoli, I have no particular love for AIWFCIY but just thought it would be an interesting chart feat. I agree its peak this year is largely a matter of circumstance -- chart week was almost perfectly timed, streaming helped it considerably -- but I do feel like there was more Mariah in the news this December, specifically about that song too.

What's the longest timeframe between initial release and hitting top ten btw? (Or revisiting top ten?) I can think of Whitney, Elton (although not sure if CITW 97 can quite be considered the same song), Queen... MJ would've done it had the rules been different.

I didn't mean to imply that you had a thing for AIWFCIY... and I agree it would be interesting.  I just thought you might have felt a type of way about the reaction you got your question.  I was very much into the possibility of it, and reckon it will happen eventually.  

Unchained Melody from 1965 came to mind for a return trip to the top 10 in 1990... but it didn't quite reach the top 10 that second time around.  Hmmmm...  Elton's  1974 hit 'Don't Let The Sun..." is a good one, if you count the live duet with George Michael from the early 90s, that is.  #2 and #1, respectively.  

[Gary]

Dec 29, 2015 14:06:11 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Dec 29, 2015 12:56:58 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Broccoli, I have no particular love for AIWFCIY but just thought it would be an interesting chart feat. I agree its peak this year is largely a matter of circumstance -- chart week was almost perfectly timed, streaming helped it considerably -- but I do feel like there was more Mariah in the news this December, specifically about that song too.

What's the longest timeframe between initial release and hitting top ten btw? (Or revisiting top ten?) I can think of Whitney, Elton (although not sure if CITW 97 can quite be considered the same song), Queen... MJ would've done it had the rules been different.

I didn't mean to imply that you had a thing for AIWFCIY... and I agree it would be interesting.  I just thought you might have felt a type of way about the reaction you got your question.  I was very much into the possibility of it, and reckon it will happen eventually.  

Unchained Melody from 1965 came to mind for a return trip to the top 10 in 1990... but it didn't quite reach the top 10 that second time around.  Hmmmm...  Elton's  1974 hit 'Don't Let The Sun..." is a good one, if you count the live duet with George Michael from the early 90s, that is.  #2 and #1, respectively.  

None of those answer the question. Stand By Me in 1986 holds that record.

[Gary]

A little note on Unchained Melody. 2 versions by the Righteous Brothers charted as the same time in 1990. Both hitting the top 20. Had their been just one release, that would have gone top 10 as well.

Contours - Do You Love Me would have beat the Ben E King record but the reissue in the late 80s stalled at #11

[surfy]

I thought that "Lean Back" was a chart atrocity, but these recent dance songs are just fucking lazy as hell, it's sickening to see them rise on the charts.

[Deleted]

Dec 29, 2015 16:26:04 GMT -5 surfy said:

I thought that "Lean Back" was a chart atrocity, but these recent dance songs are just f**king lazy as hell, it's sickening to see them rise on the charts.

I'm not a fan either... and the more I think about it... the more I realize that it's about more than just the song these days... it's about at the interaction (or action, dance) that goes along with it and posting it to social media.  I guess there's been a long history of dance move-based songs becoming big hits since the beginning of time, really... "The Twist" being the biggest example, followed maybe by "Macarena"... Da Dip, Soulja Boy... the list goes on and on.  it just seems like there's a lot lately.... and they do a fine job of wearing out their welcomes, don't they?  i'm cool with them hitting, but not for a year at a time please.  

[surfy]

Dec 29, 2015 17:04:28 GMT -5 @broccoli said:

Dec 29, 2015 16:26:04 GMT -5 surfy said:

I thought that "Lean Back" was a chart atrocity, but these recent dance songs are just f**king lazy as hell, it's sickening to see them rise on the charts.

I'm not a fan either... and the more I think about it... the more I realize that it's about more than just the song these days... it's about at the interaction (or action, dance) that goes along with it and posting it to social media.  I guess there's been a long history of dance move-based songs becoming big hits since the beginning of time, really... "The Twist" being the biggest example, followed maybe by "Macarena"... Da Dip, Soulja Boy... the list goes on and on.  it just seems like there's a lot lately.... and they do a fine job of wearing out their welcomes, don't they?  i'm cool with them hitting, but not for a year at a time please.  

I'm fine with a dance craze becoming a thing, but it would be nice to actually have... oh... IDK intelligible lyrics to go along with it than just Watch Me "insert dance craze here" over and over.

[renfield75]

Dec 29, 2015 14:30:17 GMT -5 Gary said:

A little note on Unchained Melody. 2 versions by the Righteous Brothers charted as the same time in 1990. Both hitting the top 20. Had their been just one release, that would have gone top 10 as well.

Contours - Do You Love Me would have beat the Ben E King record but the reissue in the late 80s stalled at #11

The "Unchained Melody" situation in 1990 was such a mess. After the success of Ghost, the original version of the song went top ten on the airplay chart. That 60s recording was only re-released on vinyl (not as a cassette or CD single, an important component back then) and instead a newly recorded version was issued on cassette/CD. That version reached the top ten on the sales chart, but had minimal airplay. Billboard didn't combine the sales and airplay from the two versions, so the Righteous Brothers wound up with two simultaneous, near-identical songs in the top 20 but neither was able to go top ten. Except that "Unchained Melody" by the Righteous Brothers was top ten in both sales and airplay. So confusing and unnecessary!

[Deleted]

^ that is such a mess. i'd love to know the back story about whose decision that was and what part the record company(ies) played in it.