Dance Club Play Chart

[JWGucciEnvy]

Is anyone still posted the full dance charts from Billboard.

Or know where I could find them.
thanks

[BadRomance]

Here's the link : www.billboard.com/bb/charts/airplay/dance.jsp

[botoxic]

In addition to the top ten featured on Billboard's website, I can tell you that this week's highest debut is "Inspiration" by Ian van Dahl, which entered the chart at #21.

This week's chart also features a re-entry, "Free Me" by Emma Bunton, at #25.

And gaining the most spins at dance radio this week is "It's Like That" by Mariah Carey, although it has yet to debut on the chart.

[JWGucciEnvy]

sorry, I am looking For the FULL Chart. Top 50 Dance Club play chart

and Full Dance Radio Airplay Chart.

I know there this full charts were being posted at this website before.

I was wondering if anyone still has access to the chart. or knows a link.

[magicmk]

It's kind of hard to get access to the full Billboard chart without being a subscriber ($$$$). The only other option is to go to a newstand or bookstore and actually look at an issue. One of the local independent music shops here actually posts most of the Billboard charts on the wall for its customers to look at, which is nice if you have a need to see what's currently hot.

Personally - and bear with me, I'm sure there's a few who will disagree - I think Billboard's dance charts are a joke. The "club play" reporting panel is made up of a select group of big club dj's who use a heavy dose of politics to decide on what they report they're supposedly spinning.

The Dance Radio airplay chart, well, that's a bit more accurate, however, that data can skewed thanks to a couple of stations that get stuck on stale playlists. Remember when Deborah Cox's "Something Happened On The Way To Heaven" was stuck at number one forever (and was on the chart for MONTHS!)? I think they've added Sirius' "The Beat" and "BPM" to that reporter list, that should help the accuracy somewhat.

[Quasi]

magicmk said:

It's kind of hard to get access to the full Billboard chart without being a subscriber ($$$$). The only other option is to go to a newstand or bookstore and actually look at an issue. One of the local independent music shops here actually posts most of the Billboard charts on the wall for its customers to look at, which is nice if you have a need to see what's currently hot.

Personally - and bear with me, I'm sure there's a few who will disagree - I think Billboard's dance charts are a joke. The "club play" reporting panel is made up of a select group of big club dj's who use a heavy dose of politics to decide on what they report they're supposedly spinning.

The Dance Radio airplay chart, well, that's a bit more accurate, however, that data can skewed thanks to a couple of stations that get stuck on stale playlists. Remember when Deborah Cox's "Something Happened On The Way To Heaven" was stuck at number one forever (and was on the chart for MONTHS!)? I think they've added Sirius' "The Beat" and "BPM" to that reporter list, that should help the accuracy somewhat.

I thought "Something Happened On The Way To Heaven" was a great dance track. :)

[Ezekiel 23:20–21]

magicmk said:

It's kind of hard to get access to the full Billboard chart without being a subscriber ($$$$). The only other option is to go to a newstand or bookstore and actually look at an issue. One of the local independent music shops here actually posts most of the Billboard charts on the wall for its customers to look at, which is nice if you have a need to see what's currently hot.

Personally - and bear with me, I'm sure there's a few who will disagree - I think Billboard's dance charts are a joke. The "club play" reporting panel is made up of a select group of big club dj's who use a heavy dose of politics to decide on what they report they're supposedly spinning.

The Dance Radio airplay chart, well, that's a bit more accurate, however, that data can skewed thanks to a couple of stations that get stuck on stale playlists. Remember when Deborah Cox's "Something Happened On The Way To Heaven" was stuck at number one forever (and was on the chart for MONTHS!)? I think they've added Sirius' "The Beat" and "BPM" to that reporter list, that should help the accuracy somewhat.

In addition to that, some public libraries carry Billboard in their periodical sections.

At times, the Club Play features these records that are so unavailable, one may wonder about how many DJs are actually playing that track. A few years ago there was this track by Justine called "Marilyn 2000." I heard it once. Anyway, it went up to the middle of the Club Play chart and then it dropped quickly. I went to all sorts of stores and didn't find it. I gave up because I thought that it didn't exist or whatever. I knew it was on import, but it was in such limited release. But I wondered if that many DJs got the record.

I think the Dance Radio Airplay chart is a lot better.

[magicmk]

quasidiablo said:

I thought "Something Happened On The Way To Heaven" was a great dance track. :)

I thought it was too. But to see it reside in the top 5 of the dance radio airplay chart... well that was a bit absurd. And the reason that happened was because Party 93.1 and one or two other stations had a period of time - about 4 or 5 months I think it was - where they made virtually no changes to their playlist. I don't know if it was due to negligence or what, but the impact it made on that chart showed. At the time, I think there were only 4 or 5 dance stations reporting to that chart... that list has been broadened a bit, so hopefully we'll see a bit more accuracy.

Sorry for the rant, I just tend to question Billboard's credibility when it comes to dance music. I don't want to appear completely negative, though. Having a "Dance radio play" chart is indeed vital to dance music, because it recognizes that dance music is a format of its own. Far too many industry types (who ought to know better) tend to lump dance music together with rhythmic/hiphop or mainstream Top 40. You will certainly see songs that crossover, but labeling dance simply as "rhythmic" or "CHR" creates more problems for dance than it helps.

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magicmk said:

Sorry for the rant, I just tend to question Billboard's credibility when it comes to dance music. I don't want to appear completely negative, though. Having a "Dance radio play" chart is indeed vital to dance music, because it recognizes that dance music is a format of its own. Far too many industry types (who ought to know better) tend to lump dance music together with rhythmic/hiphop or mainstream Top 40. You will certainly see songs that crossover, but labeling dance simply as "rhythmic" or "CHR" creates more problems for dance than it helps.

There has been some controversy over Billboard's methodology for the Club Play chart. It doesn't seem like any changes will occur in the future.

[billcs]

I totally agree with the 'rant' in this thread. The only way for Billboard's chart to become less effective would be for a rival to become as prominent. I do follow Billboard's charts but I prefer to look at other charts that at least contain songs that I know and aren't as politically driven.

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billcs said:

I totally agree with the 'rant' in this thread. The only way for Billboard's chart to become less effective would be for a rival to become as prominent. I do follow Billboard's charts but I prefer to look at other charts that at least contain songs that I know and aren't as politically driven.

There used to be a magazine called DMA. That magazine stopped publishing a couple years ago. They had a really good monthly chart, but then the magazine started publishing every few months. Then it stopped coming. Period. Their phone number was disconnected. Their email address stopped working. They still owe me $28 in un-sent issues. I couldn't contact anyone so I couldn't make a claim.

Their Club, Circuit/Hi NRG and Mixshow charts were quite good. Although, some of their rankings seemed a bit "slighted". For 4 issues of the Mixshow chart in 2000, Alice Deejay's "Better Off Alone" was at the top spot. And all these old songs were on the chart too.

But the other charts were quite good and conclusive. It was good that they provided some buying information like the name of the record label and which country it's from.

[DJInVincible74]

You're not the only one who got ripped off by DMA. I still had at least 4 or 5 issues coming when they stopped publishing. :(

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DJInVincible74 said:

You're not the only one who got ripped off by DMA. I still had at least 4 or 5 issues coming when they stopped publishing. :(

It was a decent magazine. In the beginning, it was quite good. They didn't even announce it that the mag was stopping. I try not feel too bad because I did get all those "free" CDs for subscribing and renewing. ;) That helped get some of the worth from the mag. And I did get into different genres of music and tried new records because they had mentioned them.

[Moonshadow]

I'm also glad a thread on this was posted.

In what sense are the reporting DJs for Club Play "political"? How large is the pool? And as far as chart accuracy, how stable are the lower-peaking hits? I would think that if the methodology was problematic, the chart would be more erratic at the low end.

However, if I keep up online with the Club Play top 20 chart few some weeks straight, it's almost to easy to sense from that list what goes/will go to #1 and what doesn't.

What is the ratio to tracks charting on Club Play singles and Hot Dance Radio airplay simultaneously?

[magicmk]

Moonshadow said:

I'm also glad a thread on this was posted.

In what sense are the reporting DJs for Club Play "political"?  How large is the pool?  And as far as chart accuracy, how stable are the lower-peaking hits?  I would think that if the methodology was problematic, the chart would be more erratic at the low end. 

However, if I keep up online with the Club Play top 20 chart few some weeks straight, it's almost to easy to sense from that list what goes/will go to #1 and what doesn't. 

What is the ratio to tracks charting on Club Play singles and Hot Dance Radio airplay simultaneously?

Without being a reporter, it's hard to pinpoint exactly how these guys decide to report what they want to Billboard, but I've been around long enough to hear from various sources and figure out what more than likely is going on.  The actual number of reporters I think is around 100... most of them dj's in high profile clubs, or high-profile DJ's in their own right.  The music labels know that in order for a record to sucessfully show up well on the Billboard chart, they have to what what they can do get a record into the hands of a DJ as quickly as possible (overnight FedEx delivery is common), and of course, some of the labels have pretty good personal repertoire with these DJ's... as far as getting them to get these songs played, or provide the illusion that it's being done.  And that can work the other way... some jocks may report a higher number of plays for a few select songs if they feel they need to gain favor with a certain label, regardless of whether it's actually happening or not.  It would be unfair to accuse everyone who's involved in the process, but as it would seem to appear, a lot of flaws in it exist.  Is it not odd that a large majority of the songs reported on the Club Play chart never ever wind up appearing on the Sales Chart?

To answer the second part of your question (or try to), a lot of new music breaks on the club chart before the radio chart.  I don't know how common an occurance it is for a song to be on both charts at the same time but I would guess that it's happened a few times at least. Bear in mind that the Club Play charts lists 50 songs, while the Dance Radio Airplay chart only shows about 20, I think.