Vengaboys and Alice Deejay

[nicetoknovvyou]

Does anyone know what the deal was with "Everything Begins with an E" (Alice Deejay) and "Opus 3 in D#" (Vengaboys) being basically the same song... i could never figure it out. Also, where did the Vengaboys go? I thought their second CD was tons better than their first and was hoping they'd release a third.

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Actually, the song "48 Hours" by Vengaboys is very similar to Alice Deejay's "Everything Begins With An E".

I too am wondering about what happened to both acts. Alice Deejay was actually pretty good. Even though many of their songs had minimal lyrics and similar beats, the songs were pretty good. The whole album Who Needs Guitars Anyway? was pretty good.

"Better Off Alone"peaked at number 27 on the Hot 100 Singles chart. Considering the song had only 10 words which were repeated and it was a full blown trance song, it did okay. If a CD single had been available, it may have peaked a little higher. I don't have the numbers, but did the album go gold or almost go gold?

I also liked the Vengaboys too. It's too bad the 2nd album didn't do as well as the first. Even the singles did poorly on the Billboard Dance/Club Play chart. Same with the Maxi Singles Sales chart. "Kiss (When The Sun Don't Shine)". It only made it's debut at the bottom of the chart. I don't know the position of the song on the Club Play chart.

It didn't seem like Groovilicious (RIP) did much promo for the second album. The first album sold pretty well for a dance album. If I'm not mistaken, didn't it go gold? And I think the single "We Like To Party!" almost went gold or did. I'm going based on what Billboard wrote in their Year-End wrapups from a few years ago.

[Deuce]

It's complicated. Groovilicious was ready to release Vengaboys first single from their second album, "Kiss (When The Sun Don't Shine)", in fact a vinyl maxi single was released and charted for one week on the Dance Singles chart. At that time, Groovilicious/Strictly Rhythm were about to partner with WEA. A CD Maxi and the album were scheduled for release on April 2000. And then came the delays... and delays, and more delays. At some point in 2000, the releases disappeared from the schedule altogether, and then nothing. I was never able to find out what exactly happened.

A year later, in 2001, Groovilicious (without Atlantic/WEA), finally released a one-track CD Single for "Kiss" and the album followed shortly. Obviously, the one year delay hurt the project beyond repair. That was the only single to be released and promoted from their second album.

Vengaboys and Alice Deejay shared the same producers.

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Swede said:

It's complicated. Groovilicious was ready to release Vengaboys first single from their second album, "Kiss (When The Sun Don't Shine)", in fact a vinyl maxi single was released and charted for one week on the Dance Singles chart. At that time, Groovilicious/Strictly Rhythm were about to partner with WEA. A CD Maxi and the album were scheduled for release on April 2000. And then came the delays... and delays, and more delays. At some point in 2000, the releases disappeared from the schedule altogether, and then nothing. I was never able to find out what exactly happened.

A year later, in 2001, Groovilicious (without Atlantic/WEA), finally released a one-track CD Single for "Kiss" and the album followed shortly. Obviously, the one year delay hurt the project beyond repair. That was the only single to be released and promoted from their second album.

Vengaboys and Alice Deejay shared the same producers.

I knew something was going on, but I didn't realize it was that complicated! I got the 12" single of "Kiss" with the Airscape mix on Groovilicious. I had gotten it really early. Then Wild 94.9 started playing it here. I then bought the CDM which had the regular mixes. I saw a review of it in DMA Magazine soon after I purchased both. I began noticing that the song had charted really low. Then it vanished. Previous Vengaboys singles had done pretty well on the Billboard Dance charts. "Up & Down" went to number one, while "We Like To Party!" went to number 3. I don't know what position "Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom!!" went to, but it didn't seem to do that well. It all seemed to go downhill from there.

And with Alice Deejay, "Back In My Life" didn't fare to well either. And none of the other songs charted as imports on the dance chart. I didn't see all the charts during that time, so I could be wrong.

But both acts just vanished. Alice Deejay seemed like a promising act. They could have done some more stuff.

[nicetoknovvyou]

Disco said:

Actually, the song "48 Hours" by Vengaboys is very similar to Alice Deejay's "Everything Begins With An E".

I too am wondering about what happened to both acts. Alice Deejay was actually pretty good. Even though many of their songs had minimal lyrics and similar beats, the songs were pretty good. The whole album Who Needs Guitars Anyway? was pretty good.

"Better Off Alone"peaked at number 27 on the Hot 100 Singles chart. Considering the song had only 10 words which were repeated and it was a full blown trance song, it did okay. If a CD single had been available, it may have peaked a little higher. I don't have the numbers, but did the album go gold or almost go gold?

I also liked the Vengaboys too. It's too bad the 2nd album didn't do as well as the first. Even the singles did poorly on the Billboard Dance/Club Play chart. Same with the Maxi Singles Sales chart. "Kiss (When The Sun Don't Shine)". It only made it's debut at the bottom of the chart. I don't know the position of the song on the Club Play chart.

It didn't seem like Groovilicious (RIP) did much promo for the second album. The first album sold pretty well for a dance album. If I'm not mistaken, didn't it go gold? And I think the single "We Like To Party!" almost went gold or did. I'm going based on what Billboard wrote in their Year-End wrapups from a few years ago.

that's the song i meant, brain fart on my part...
however, the rest of this discussion has been pretty informative. Wasn't there a post a while back about Alice Deejay and how some people from that project were working on a new disc that would probably be very similar to "Who Needs Guitars Anyways?"?

[Slinky]

I think I remember hearing that it was the same producers behind both Vengaboys and Alice Deejay, just different vocalists.

Sort of the same relationship Ian Van Dahl and Lasgo have today.

(Edit: Oops, didn't see that Swede had already pointed that out.)

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nicetoknovvyou said:

that's the song i meant, brain fart on my part...
however, the rest of this discussion has been pretty informative. Wasn't there a post a while back about Alice Deejay and how some people from that project were working on a new disc that would probably be very similar to "Who Needs Guitars Anyways?"?

If I'm not mistaken, that was in regards to Candee Jay. Pronti & Kalmani who had worked extensively on the Alice Deejay album.

[coolcat13]

Isn't Alice Deejay the same person as Candee Jay?

Anyhoo, Candee Jay's lastest song "Lose This Feeling" is getting some attention on z103.5.

As for Vengaboys and Alice Deejay, who honestly hasn't heard "We Like To Party" or "Better Off Alone"?

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coolcat13 said:

Isn't Alice Deejay the same person as Candee Jay?

Anyhoo, Candee Jay's lastest song "Lose This Feeling" is getting some attention on z103.5.

As for Vengaboys and Alice Deejay, who honestly hasn't heard "We Like To Party" or "Better Off Alone"?

There's a striking resemblance between Judith Pronk (Alice Deejay) and the singer who calls herself Candee Jay.

Alice Deejay on the left, and Candee Jay on the right.

[BookJones]

Vengaboys and Alice Deejay are fake! 

Judith Pronk (Alice Deejay) and the two women from (Vengaboys) are not the real singers at all.  They were hired as a face, to help sale the music. Some other women is the real singer for all their songs. Whoever this women is, you would call her a studio singer.   It's very comment in euro. 

Whenever Alice Deejay or the Vengaboys would perform they would lip sink to the songs like "Britney Spears" does. 

Fun Factory, Milli Vanilli, Corona, Real McCoy, Cappella,  BLACK BOX, C&C Music FACTORY, E-Type, Whigfield and others. Someone would sing or rap on the songs then would hired other people to perform them and promo the music. 


Like this....


A women named "  Annerley Gordon" is the real singer for  "Whigfield" Saturday Night and "Ann Lee " 2 Times.  The women who go on tv and perform these songs are just a face to sale the music. Good looking models are use most of the time.

O-Jay the rapper in "Real McCoy"  has said that this women  "Karin Kasar"
www.laedenleuchten.de/kuenstler/Kasar.htm
www.puhst.com/images/ueber-goesart_kasar.jpg

is the real singer for all  their euro and USA versions songs off the "Another Night" Album.
www.the-realmccoy.blogspot.com/


Balja is the real singer for all of the "Fun Factory" songs, not, Marie-Anett like it says on the cds.

Some people in the music industry know all about this, but not much is known to the general public. 

A lot of this goes on and not just in dance/pop music.......

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BookJones said:

Vengaboys and Alice Deejay are fake! 

Judith Pronk (Alice Deejay) and the two women from (Vengaboys) are not the real singers at all.  They were hired as a face, to help sale the music. Some other women is the real singer for all their songs. Whoever this women is called is a studio singer.   It's very comment in euro. 

It's very possible. Then these artists would have no credibility at all because other people sang for them and the "faces" got all the credit. It's like the whole Black Box situation all over again. Martha Wash had been the vocalist and that model lipped all the songs during the show. And when they tried passing off Loleatta Holloway's vocals as their own on "Ride On Time".

[Fool_4_Music]

Was the singer for Aqua real? This gives me a WHOLE new perspective on europop...

[BookJones]

This is probably why Vengaboys,  Alice Deejay and some others were never on live TV  or hardly push in the USA because the music industry knew that lipsync is not at all liked by people in the US.

[BookJones]

dirkdigglerjr81 said:

Was the singer for Aqua real? This gives me a WHOLE new perspective on europop...

Yes Aqua were for real. They perform live lots of times like the 1998 or 1999 euro MTV music awards and at the World Music Awards.

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BookJones said:

This is probably why Vengaboys, Alice Deejay and some others were never on live TV or hardly push in the USA because the music industry knew that lipsync is not at all liked by people in the US.

Vengaboys performed at the World Music Awards a few years ago. They aired it in the U.S. that time.

I saw Vengaboys perform at Gay Pride a few years ago. They messed up during their performance. It was hilarious!

And I saw Alice Deejay perform live too. It was nothing special. It was hard to tell if it was live or lipped.

[BookJones]

Vengaboys lipsync " Kiss When The Sun Don't Shine" at the  World Music Awards.      I still have it on tape.

These artists are and were the real deal.

2 Unlimited
Gina G
Haddaway
Culture Beat
La Bouche
Crystal Waters
Scatman John
Amber
Reel 2 Real
Eiffel 65
Robin S
Snap
Cece Peniston
Captain Hollywood Project
Ya Kid K of Technotronic
Gillette
Outhere Brothers
Alexia
T.A.T.U
Dr. Alban
DJ Sammy & Yanou feat Do
B*Witched
Aqua

Captain Hollywood Project cd book said about more than one singer. Snap was well know by the general public about more than one singer on their songs.

La Bouche  "Sweet Dreams" cd.  Lane McCray of La Bouche is on the whole cd, but the album version of Sweet Dreams, rap is done by  "Robert Haynes" who also rap on Le Click  "Call Me".   But the USA and Australia(I think) cd single of "Sweet Dreams" has Lane McCray of La Bouche on radio edit 2 which is the USA video version of Sweet Dreams. But The USA maxi cd single rap is done by  Robert Haynes. 

Lane said it himself on his yahoo La Bouche group.

So when you see some music artists do some lipsync on tv or something. They might not be the real thing.

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BookJones said:

These artists are and were the real deal.

I had my questions about a couple of the artists on the list, but you clarified those.

Many were really open about the situation of the vocalists. But giving credit to the real singers is important. But it's too bad that they don't always do that. See the C&C Music Factory and Black Box examples.

[BookJones]

I heard that some women that sung that Planet Soul song "Set U Free" die or something, so she must have been the real singer on that.

[Pink Champagne Ricochet]

while it's still stupid, I think it's OK if they don't try to fool the public instead of admitting that they just hired a model to lipsync to all the vocals.

but Real McCoy? that girl's voice didn't even sound that good! i mean, she didn't suck, but it wasn't like having Martha Wash-esque diva vocals that needed to be put in another girl's body for image concerns. why did they go through the trouble of having the other girl lipsync in the first place?

BTW...here's something I don't get. besides the DJs that don't get directly credited and instead hire a front group, and even the person who does the actual vocals for a lot of these groups, does anyone else find it wierd how Alice Deejay, etc. would have three women and promote them as a group, when only one would do any actual singing/miming? the same w/ the Candee Jay thing. why don't they just promote the main girl as a solo artist and have the others as backup dancers, which is basically the purpose they serve anyway?

oh, and although they DO look strikingly similar, supposedly the girl from Alice Deejay is now a makeup artist for dutch musicians and groups.

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BookJones said:

I heard that some women that sung that Planet Soul song "Set U Free" die or something, so she must have been the real singer on that.

Yeah. She died a few months ago. She was the real deal.

On an unrelated note, new remixes of that song have come out. George Acosta is credited to these mixes this time.

www.vitalvinyl.com/album/58150.info