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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 22, 2017 18:47:31 GMT -5
I agree that this happens far too often, but I think that they should follow their rules, and only re-enter, say, in the top 10 or something like that. Either that or completely abolish recurrent rules, which I'd also be fine with. I don't like this recurrent, off for two weeks, back on for three, off again nonsense. I think that they should only let a song back on when it is incredibly clear that a significant change in peak would result from a re-entry (ex. a #29 song that becomes a #4; not a #35 that becomes a #28). I don't think this is something that can be predicted with any accuracy at all though. There was no reason to believe Parmalee or Canaan's future #1 hits were going to go the distance when they re-entered, and it would be unfair to lock RaeLynn out because BB just decides that there's no way her's can do the same. I think based on the fact that she's a female and the song has had polarizing callout tells us on Pulse that "Love Triangle" isn't going to still become a hit yet, but that's not really for BB to make that call.
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Post by gingersnap on Mar 22, 2017 19:06:35 GMT -5
I don't think it has less to do with Billboard as it does with her label, Warner signed Rae Lynn hoping she would have success, but Love Triangle" wasn't the hit they were hoping it would be, so now they are hoping by it re-entering the charts at where it peaked that when the cd comes out on Friday, that they can make some of their money back they have invested in Rae Lynn, cause I think Warner knows chances of her having a hit is slim to none.
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Post by someguy on Mar 22, 2017 19:51:59 GMT -5
I agree that this happens far too often, but I think that they should follow their rules, and only re-enter, say, in the top 10 or something like that. Either that or completely abolish recurrent rules, which I'd also be fine with. I don't like this recurrent, off for two weeks, back on for three, off again nonsense. I think that they should only let a song back on when it is incredibly clear that a significant change in peak would result from a re-entry (ex. a #29 song that becomes a #4; not a #35 that becomes a #28). I don't think this is something that can be predicted with any accuracy at all though. There was no reason to believe Parmalee or Canaan's future #1 hits were going to go the distance when they re-entered, and it would be unfair to lock RaeLynn out because BB just decides that there's no way her's can do the same. I think based on the fact that she's a female and the song has had polarizing callout tells us on Pulse that "Love Triangle" isn't going to still become a hit yet, but that's not really for BB to make that call. Oh sorry I don't think I was clear. I meant that a song shouldn't re-enter until it reaches the top 10. I agree that it would be far too difficult to predict that.
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 22, 2017 19:57:47 GMT -5
I don't think this is something that can be predicted with any accuracy at all though. There was no reason to believe Parmalee or Canaan's future #1 hits were going to go the distance when they re-entered, and it would be unfair to lock RaeLynn out because BB just decides that there's no way her's can do the same. I think based on the fact that she's a female and the song has had polarizing callout tells us on Pulse that "Love Triangle" isn't going to still become a hit yet, but that's not really for BB to make that call. Oh sorry I don't think I was clear. I meant that a song shouldn't re-enter until it reaches the top 10. I agree that it would be far too difficult to predict that. Oh I see... I think I like that even less, lol. I can't even imagine a song being declared recurrent in the 20s/30s and disappearing from the charts, but the label keeps it alive and it goes on to re-enter the charts in the Top 10 with like a 4 month gap in its chart run.
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Post by someguy on Mar 22, 2017 20:01:11 GMT -5
Oh sorry I don't think I was clear. I meant that a song shouldn't re-enter until it reaches the top 10. I agree that it would be far too difficult to predict that. Oh I see... I think I like that even less, lol. I can't even imagine a song being declared recurrent in the 20s/30s and disappearing from the charts, but the label keeps it alive and it goes on to re-enter the charts in the Top 10 with like a 4 month gap in its chart run. I don't love it either, but tbh I like anything better than songs coming back from the dead like this. I'd rather they abolish recurrent rules altogether than allowing stuff like this as frequently as they do.
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Post by seak05 on Mar 24, 2017 17:47:11 GMT -5
I don't think it has less to do with Billboard as it does with her label, Warner signed Rae Lynn hoping she would have success, but Love Triangle" wasn't the hit they were hoping it would be, so now they are hoping by it re-entering the charts at where it peaked that when the cd comes out on Friday, that they can make some of their money back they have invested in Rae Lynn, cause I think Warner knows chances of her having a hit is slim to none. If I was a betting person, I'd bet on RaeLynn's debut album outselling WMM's (to use same label comparison). Radio and album sales don't translate as directly as they used to. And RaeLynn has built up somewhat of a fanbase.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 24, 2017 18:35:23 GMT -5
Her album is out (finally)! She also performed on Ellen today, but she had the misfortune of having her performance broadcast over by the President & the Speaker of the House rambling about their failed healthcare bill. I was pissed because I didn't get to see it liked I'd hoped, and I also felt so bad for her because it was shitty timing for that. :(
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Mar 24, 2017 20:44:57 GMT -5
What other songs even reentered period? I know "Wild at Heart" fell off at like #16, then re-entered at #15 and died. And I believe "God Made Girls" was very similar.
I believe also that both "Happy Endings" by Lee Brice and "Good to Be Me" by Kid Rock fell off, re-entered, and then re-fell after only a couple weeks without gaining any more positions.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 24, 2017 21:09:37 GMT -5
What other songs even reentered period? I know "Wild at Heart" fell off at like #16, then re-entered at #15 and died. And I believe "God Made Girls" was very similar. I believe also that both "Happy Endings" by Lee Brice and "Good to Be Me" by Kid Rock fell off, re-entered, and then re-fell after only a couple weeks without gaining any more positions. Last year. "Next Boyfriend" re-entered Billboard airplay at #43 the last week of March, then abruptly left the next week for good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 21:13:52 GMT -5
What other songs even reentered period? I know "Wild at Heart" fell off at like #16, then re-entered at #15 and died. And I believe "God Made Girls" was very similar. I believe also that both "Happy Endings" by Lee Brice and "Good to Be Me" by Kid Rock fell off, re-entered, and then re-fell after only a couple weeks without gaining any more positions. Last year. "Next Boyfriend" re-entered Billboard airplay at #43 the last week of March, then abruptly left the next week for good. Awe😠That song should've been a hit and I remember radio was so receptive at first and then all of a sudden after about a month it just very slowly crawled along. Do you remember where "Next Boyfriend" peaked on MB, I know it came really close to the Top 40 but unfortunately no luck.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 24, 2017 21:19:04 GMT -5
Last year. "Next Boyfriend" re-entered Billboard airplay at #43 the last week of March, then abruptly left the next week for good. Awe😠That song should've been a hit and I remember radio was so receptive at first and then all of a sudden after about a month it just very slowly crawled along. Do you remember where "Next Boyfriend" peaked on MB, I know it came really close to the Top 40 but unfortunately no luck. #43.
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Post by recordyear on Mar 24, 2017 23:34:00 GMT -5
I don't think it has less to do with  Billboard as it does with her label, Warner signed Rae Lynn hoping she would have success, but Love Triangle" wasn't the hit they were hoping it would be, so now they are hoping by it re-entering the charts at where it peaked that when the cd comes out on Friday, that they can make some of their money back they have invested in Rae Lynn, cause I think Warner knows chances of her having a hit is slim to none. If I was a betting person, I'd bet on RaeLynn's debut album outselling WMM's (to use same label comparison). Radio and album sales don't translate as directly as they used to. And RaeLynn has built up somewhat of a fanbase. Consider RaeLynn’s album is now #4 on US itunes and WMM’s album has never reached this position, her album will easily outsold his. I think she can sell 10k on first week.
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.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 24, 2017 23:39:27 GMT -5
Yeah, RaeLynn has a lot more visibility than WMM has ever had, even if none of her songs reached the airplay levels his debut single did. Her following is pretty strong. If her debut had dropped back when "God Made Girls" was supposed to be a lead single, she probably could've done somewhere in the 25-30k range in her opening week.
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 27, 2017 0:15:11 GMT -5
"Love Triangle" finally cracks the Mediabase top 30 this week, at #30. RaeLynn gained 262 spins and 1.5 million in total audience. She was just able to hold off the debut of "Speak to a Girl."
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Post by seak05 on Mar 29, 2017 10:15:49 GMT -5
Yeah, RaeLynn has a lot more visibility than WMM has ever had, even if none of her songs reached the airplay levels his debut single did. Her following is pretty strong. If her debut had dropped back when "God Made Girls" was supposed to be a lead single, she probably could've done somewhere in the 25-30k range in her opening week. HDD is predicting 17-20k in sales for the album this week. Really nice debut for her.
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Post by mep on Mar 29, 2017 11:47:32 GMT -5
What other songs even reentered period? I know "Wild at Heart" fell off at like #16, then re-entered at #15 and died. And I believe "God Made Girls" was very similar. I believe also that both "Happy Endings" by Lee Brice and "Good to Be Me" by Kid Rock fell off, re-entered, and then re-fell after only a couple weeks without gaining any more positions. Parmalee dropped out with "Carolina" after a peak around #30-35. It later re-entered, and went all the way to #1.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 1, 2017 23:53:21 GMT -5
"Love Triangle" has definitely risen from the dead, lol. RaeLynn's gained another 170 spins and 1.0 million in audience this week -- after the 260 spins and 1.5 million in audience gained last week at MB. She should move up one more spot to #29 tomorrow evening.
The album drop is a big reason for sure. We'll see how much longer this can hold on but getting more adds this week would be a good start if they intend on getting this to last into May.
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Post by sabre14 on Apr 8, 2017 10:02:20 GMT -5
The Highway's "On The Horizon" show has started to spin "Lonely Call."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 11:52:53 GMT -5
The Highway's "On The Horizon" show has started to spin "Lonely Call." As layne brought up in the "Missing" thread it's always a good sign when The Highway plays a new artist album cut. I really hope Warner Bros. takes the hint and they release "Lonely Call" and not mess up like they did with William Michael Morgan and release "Missing" (which looks to be struggling at best and dead in the water at worse). "Love Triangle" this week had a Westwood One week where it gain very well on Mediabase as it got added by W1MC but as a whole if you take how much it gained from that one station "Love Triangle" didn't do much. I think this song can last a little ways into April and possibly into early May, but I'd be stunned if this was on the chart come mid to late May to real early June.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Apr 8, 2017 13:06:01 GMT -5
I'd love for this to make Top 20 before they let it go but idk if that's a realistic goal or not. Either way, "Lonely Call" or bust for next single.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 13:24:12 GMT -5
I'd love for this to make Top 20 before they let it go but idk if that's a realistic goal or not. Either way, "Lonely Call" or bust for next single. It'd be great if this could make the Top 20, but it's at #27 on MB (remove Michael Ray essentially as that's where Raelynn will wind up on MB tomorrow night) so she looks to be at minimum 7th in line for the Top 20 (Zac Brown Band, Cole Swindell, Tim/Faith, Blake Shelton, Justin Moore and Midland should all easily get in before her) also I expect Thomas Rhett and probably Old Dominion and Miranda Lambert to pass her in that time frame ("Tin Man" is getting a strong early reception from radio) so she'd be 10th in line. In the timeframe I gave (now until mid to late May, because I don't see it lasting after that) I don't think there's enough songs going recurrent on MB (I'm not even gonna factor Billboard) for Raelynn to make it into the Top 20. Let's see Lauren Alaina, Jon Pardi, Luke Bryan, Josh Turner, Brantley Gilbert, Sam Hunt or Kelsea Ballerini(possibly), and Trent Harmon are the only Top 20 songs I see going recurrent in that timeframe so 6 to 7 songs, that probably won't be enough if I'm being honest. Also Raelynn needs to nearly double her audience as the current #20 song Dylan Scott has nearly 21 million in MB audience while Raelynn only has 12 million. I also fear that this week will be more of an indication if the label sticks with it as the album did give this a boost, but I suspect that boost is almost done. I would love to see this hit the Top 20, but I think the most this will achieve is Top 25.
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Post by seak05 on Apr 8, 2017 16:13:08 GMT -5
Charts are crowded right now. It's a big number to hit top 20, as basically nothing is willing t give up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 21:21:22 GMT -5
Unfortunately this went recurrent on Billboard tonight. I suppose the label could keep promoting this song, but I do believe it is best to move onto another single as "Love Triangle" even today bleeds out more audience
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 12:28:32 GMT -5
This song has been fighting for weeks now to stay afloat but I think this song has finally gave up, or at least today's update indicates the end of the road as "Love Triangle" lost over 50 spins and 362k in audience..
Hopefully this song is done because as much as I love this song I am ready for the next single whatever it may be ("Lonely Call" looks to be the next single) and this song has been spinning its wheels for a few weeks now.
If this is done it won't go recurrent til the 14th of May. But regardless it should be done soon.
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Post by gingersnap on May 6, 2017 13:05:38 GMT -5
Just to be honest, I think the single that Rae Lynn releases probably won't do as well on the charts as "Love Triangle", given how long this one was on the charts and where it peeked or will peak at. Looks like since Warner has parted ways with Jana that they are going with the 30 and under when it comes to females on their label. With Rae Lynn leading the way, also have Aubrie Sellers and Bailey Bryan. I know Ashley Monroe and Brandy Clark are also on the label, Ashley will be 31 later this year, but it's not like her or Brandy's music is going to get played on country radio.Will be interesting to see how Rae Lynn, Aubrie and Bailey's music does.
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Post by sabre14 on May 10, 2017 22:53:45 GMT -5
The bottom finally fell out on "Love Triangle", as RaeLynn has now lost over 280 spins the past two days on Mediabase.
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Post by .indulgecountry on May 10, 2017 22:56:06 GMT -5
Bring on "Lonely Call" plz&ty!!
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Post by sabre14 on May 10, 2017 22:59:57 GMT -5
Bring on "Lonely Call" plz&ty!! I'm betting on it being next.
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Post by Marv on May 10, 2017 23:02:20 GMT -5
I'm sorry it didn't do better on the charts, but this has been among my favorite singles all year long.
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Post by sabre14 on May 10, 2017 23:05:13 GMT -5
I'm sorry it didn't do better on the charts, but this has been among my favorite singles all year long.Last year too! lol #countryradionowadays
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