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Post by phil1996 on Oct 29, 2016 6:33:13 GMT -5
Excuse me? Why is Chris Stapleton nominated for ENTERTAINER OF THE YEAR? Over Jason Aldean and Kenny Really? I honestly would like this explained to me. The other 4 I can put my bias aside and understand even if I don't care for them personally, but STAPLETON?? No offense to Stapleton but CMA EOTY is decided by showing the greatest competence in all aspects of the entertainment field. sitting on a stool in small venues for your entire set, looking homeless is not EOTY worthy and there were much better candidates for the honor. Espically not when up against people who out there killing themselves to put on a show everynight with staging, outfits, production, tv apperances, number 1's on radio, clothing lines, ambassadors of company etc who are really spreading the country name... He is completley riding on CMA hype and it isn't fair.. I could think of 20 people more deserving, the fact that he is even nominated makes me fear any results for the entire night. Love Stapleton but I agree for the most part. He's a hell of an artist and vocalist. Chesney, Church have him entertaining wise rather easily.
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Post by tonyei31 on Oct 29, 2016 8:44:15 GMT -5
Excuse me? Why is Chris Stapleton nominated for ENTERTAINER OF THE YEAR? Over Jason Aldean and Kenny Really? I honestly would like this explained to me. The other 4 I can put my bias aside and understand even if I don't care for them personally, but STAPLETON?? No offense to Stapleton but CMA EOTY is decided by showing the greatest competence in all aspects of the entertainment field. sitting on a stool in small venues for your entire set, looking homeless is not EOTY worthy and there were much better candidates for the honor. Espically not when up against people who out there killing themselves to put on a show everynight with staging, outfits, production, tv apperances, number 1's on radio, clothing lines, ambassadors of company etc who are really spreading the country name... He is completley riding on CMA hype and it isn't fair.. I could think of 20 people more deserving, the fact that he is even nominated makes me fear any results for the entire night. "sitting on a stool in a small venues for your entire set"---not true at all. Guy recently sold out the Amphiteatre of the biggest musical festival this summer. Guys with similar exposure couldn't do that (Brett Eldredge comes to mind) "looking homeless is not EOTY worthy" not part of the process, prefer to judge talent based on skills not looks. Judging someone on looks is the reason we have Justin Bieber polluting our airwaves. "especially when up against people who out there killing themselves to put on a show every night with staging, outfits, production, tv appearances, number 1's on the radio, clothing lines, ambassadors of a company etc who are really spreading the country name"----Does staging, outfits and production really make that big of a deal? If it does to you be thankful that King George isn't playing shows (his entire concert is no wardrobe changes and walking side to side on the stage. No frills, no gimmicks). Be REALLY thankful you never saw EOTY in 95 and 02 Alan Jackson live. He literally sits on a chair the entire show. Not sure anyone on the CMA board really cares about staging, outfits and production that's usually reserved for a casual fan that doesn't get the intricate details of vocals and the appreciation that are needed. Now let me add I absolutely love when someone can offer production and added value beyond the voice. For every Carrie Underwood that adds value with the staging and production you have a Taylor Swift that has to use this to hide how average they are vocally. I would add that Garth Brooks is in this group that adds stage value and presence for a rather average vocal. "Number 1's on radio"----I don't think that makes as much of a difference when you have the #1 selling country album, by far, over the past year and a half. Outselling the likes of everyone with number 1 hits on the radio it only makes me wonder why the hell isn't radio pushing him more? Wouldn't it make sense to push your best seller? It explains why radio is in the red.
"Spreading the country name"---If this is important to you he should be the #1 nominee. His #1 selling album isn't coming from just country base fans. He has spread his style to other peoples and genres. I can attest that I have numerous friends that are hard rockers and own "Traveller", despise country but own "Traveller". If anything he has "spread the country name" more in this past year than any of those nominees.
With all that said I absolutely agree he doesn't belong in this category, yet. I personally want a Carrie victory. It's long overdue and would be fitting for someone how has truly been "snubbed" to finally get justice at the highest level on a special, 50th anniversary show. It's hard to argue against Stapleton being in this category though. Surprising? yes. Explanable? absolutely.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 9:30:53 GMT -5
Yeah I'm gonna agree it's a little too early for Chris. In a perfect world, he gets it at some point in his career. But I can't see even justification for a nomination at this point.
I laughed at the homeless comment even though that's BS. I love his look. Willie Nelson probably does too.
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Post by seak05 on Oct 29, 2016 10:25:31 GMT -5
Chris has outsold everyone else this year in terms of album sales, and his tour is red hot, so it's not totally undeserved. Keith is a great guitar player, but his album sales numbers weren't great, and his tour numbers aren't great either (in comparison to Luke or Carrie or even Brad, ZBB, etc). The guy who probably got screwed is Blake, since EOTY should take into account the TV stuff, his album sold well, and the few dates he does do sell very well. But he doesn't really tour, and he's already won EOTY, so.....Kenny also has his stadium tour, but he didn't put out an album during the nominating process, & he wasn't on radio a ton.
It really depends on how commercially focused you think EOTY of the year should be. Church on artistic merit would be high.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 29, 2016 10:31:20 GMT -5
I think after one more album and a real tour, then Chris should be considered. But he really doesn't belong there this year. That spot should have gone to Bentley, Church, or Chesney. I totally understand why he is nominated; on the face of it, he was the biggest star in country music (or at least in the top 3). However, there have been many years in the past where a new big artist was not nominated in their first year of true superstardom... I think the cause of his superstardom (last year's CMAs) has everything to do with his nomination this year. I do not think he will win, though.
As we get closer and closer, it is clear to me that the race is between Garth, Luke, and Carrie. I want Carrie to win so badly, and I think she has a great shot - but I cannot count the other two out. Carrie has being the only Sony artist nominated in her favor (she'll literally have the full force of Sony behind her). Whereas Luke/Chris/Keith are splitting Universal Music Group and Garth/Luke/Chris are splitting WME; Carrie and Keith have AEG's support, I think Carrie will get most of their votes. Garth has no label, if I remember correctly, but I think he'll receive a large number of unaffiliated votes (bloggers, journalists, venue workers, etc). Looking at that, I think Carrie has the upper hand - but you just never know...
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Post by seak05 on Oct 29, 2016 10:46:43 GMT -5
The WME/LN block has essentially controlled CMA's for the last several years. Garth is with WME this year (wasn't in past). Luke has both WME/LN, so does Chris. Carrie has neither. That's why Carrie hasn't won a CMA award in forever. I think Carrie has a lot of momentum this year, because people are like she's really deserved it for a while, but the voting blocks aren't in her favor.
Curious why you think Bentley or Church should've gotten nomination (on merits vs I like their music)?
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 29, 2016 11:02:55 GMT -5
The WME/LN block has essentially controlled CMA's for the last several years. Garth is with WME this year (wasn't in past). Luke has both WME/LN, so does Chris. Carrie has neither. That's why Carrie hasn't won a CMA award in forever. I think Carrie has a lot of momentum this year, because people are like she's really deserved it for a while, but the voting blocks aren't in her favor. Curious why you think Bentley or Church should've gotten nomination (on merits vs I like their music)? But those artists all have to split the votes this year whereas Carrie doesn't have to fight for votes from her own affiliations, you know? I think this year is shaping up to be different. The CMA Showcase thing is the first indication that they're really trying to breakaway from "voting blocs" - by giving artists and labels one place to campaign and showcasing all the nominees for voters to review before voting. I wonder if they made it so that voters had to view all the nominees before voting in each category? Second, this year's batch of nominees is proof in itself that things may head in a different direction this year. I mean, I was all but convinced Carrie would never be nominated for Entertainer of the Year... I just think WME may be losing a bit of its grip simply because they've had such a stronghold for years that the CMAs found it necessary to intervene... They're still powerful, no doubt, but I just feel like things may change this year. And both Church and Bentley released critically acclaimed albums, launched headline tours, and achieved major sales and radio success. I guess I'm more in the camp of 'Entertainer' being a commercial award; historically it has been... Don't get me wrong, I think Chris deserved to be up there based on the stats, but I generally like to see artists excel in all aspects of entertainment before being nominated.
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Post by seak05 on Oct 29, 2016 11:14:33 GMT -5
I def think WME might be losing some of their grip (or maybe it's a desperate hope), and that Carrie might actually have a real chance, I just don't think it's because of split voting blocks (also keep in mind that Keith is CAA).
And yes, I think EOTY is mostly a commercial award. The problem I have with Dierks (& Keith) is commercially their numbers don't actually stack up. Dierks was outsold this past year on albums by: Luke, Carrie, Blake, Chris, Keith, Rory & Joey, Eric etc - now of course not all of these are new, although only Rory & Joey's and Chris' were outside this years period. And while yes he headlines a tour, the tour #'s aren't that great (they're not bad, they're just behind a lot of people), especially for being on the LN mega ticket.
If we're talking critical acclaim it should be Eric.
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Post by ungratefulwood on Oct 29, 2016 11:17:46 GMT -5
Yes actually staging and showmanship does matter, it is part of the critera they look for in deciding EOTY. It all goes into what it takes in being a performer. It is part of what seperates an entertainer from just a vocalist, and it is completely unfair to the people who have worked their butt off creatively to set up exciting tours and performances for fans.. People like Luke, Keith, and even Carrie has extremely stepped up her game on their tours and performances to make them exciting for fans.. Any of those 3 winning would make sense to me and I won't even be mad. even giving chris an EOTY nod promotes laziness imo and is a slap in the face to some of those who worked really hard to earn it. You can just listen to the man speak for 2 seconds to realize he is the furthest thing from entertaining. He is CMA's golden child now though so I won't be surprised if he wins it. I also won't be surprised when I throw up after he does.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 29, 2016 11:28:44 GMT -5
I def think WME might be losing some of their grip (or maybe it's a desperate hope), and that Carrie might actually have a real chance, I just don't think it's because of split voting blocks (also keep in mind that Keith is CAA). And yes, I think EOTY is mostly a commercial award. The problem I have with Dierks (& Keith) is commercially their numbers don't actually stack up. Dierks was outsold this past year on albums by: Luke, Carrie, Blake, Chris, Keith, Rory & Joey, Eric etc - now of course not all of these are new, although only Rory & Joey's and Chris' were outside this years period. And while yes he headlines a tour, the tour #'s aren't that great (they're not bad, they're just behind a lot of people), especially for being on the LN mega ticket. If we're talking critical acclaim it should be Eric. I think Carrie merely achieving a nomination shows she has a real chance. I feel like it's general knowledge that Carrie has been treated unfairly by the CMA, and should/could have easily taken 'Entertainer' in the past had she been nominated and not the victim of voting blocs. I think the power of her name being there alone is significant in showing her chances. There's no way of knowing how these awards will turn out, and it's kind of nice that none of the categories are predictable (aside from Duo) - I just have faith that the showcase thing as well as the general field of nominees is indicative of things turning out a little differently... There's honestly no way of knowing, which kills me, but also makes this year's show super exciting! I'm trying desperately not to get my hopes up, but if everything turns out right - Wednesday night should end up being the night Carrie's fans have waited nearly a decade for... It's all said and done now, though, the votes are in! Here's to praying this year turns out amazing!
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Post by seak05 on Oct 29, 2016 11:35:57 GMT -5
It should definitely be Carrie's year. Big Album + Big tour, and I think she has a shot. I have my fingers crossed!
(I just don't totally get the Dierks for EOTY talk, I get it that he's been around a while, but he's more a B+ star than an A guy, just from a numbers perspective).
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Post by seak05 on Oct 29, 2016 11:42:32 GMT -5
Yes actually staging and showmanship does matter, it is part of the critera they look for in deciding EOTY. It all goes into what it takes in being a performer. It is part of what seperates an entertainer from just a vocalist, and it is completely unfair to the people who have worked their butt off creatively to set up exciting tours and performances for fans.. People like Luke, Keith, and even Carrie has extremely stepped up her game on their tours and performances to make them exciting for fans.. Any of those 3 winning would make sense to me and I won't even be mad. even giving chris an EOTY nod promotes laziness imo and is a slap in the face to some of those who worked really hard to earn it. You can just listen to the man speak for 2 seconds to realize he is the furthest thing from entertaining. He is CMA's golden child now though so I won't be surprised if he wins it. I also won't be surprised when I throw up after he does. I think everyone's definition for entertaining in a show is different. Being able to command a big audience with nothing more than a stool, guitar, and your voice is a difficult task. Also the musicianship at Chris' shows is excellent, and no he doesn't spend the entire time sitting on a stool. As an extreme example. Justin Bieber has incredible dance moves, great staging and amazing props, but I don't consider him a great entertainer because he basically skips the live music part at this point, others disagree. I think you have to find a balance between the show being about the music, and all of the extra bells and whistles. Everyone has different ideas though about where the line should be. For me, I like Carrie, who has some bells and whistles, but isn't really into the props. When you start tossing beer into the crowd, for me, that's to far.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 29, 2016 11:42:42 GMT -5
It should definitely be Carrie's year. Big Album + Big tour, and I think she has a shot. I have my fingers crossed! (I just don't totally get the Dierks for EOTY talk, I get it that he's been around a while, but he's more a B+ star than an A guy, just from a numbers perspective). I agree. He's just always been on the cusp, you know? He's there... just not THERE, if that makes any sense... I'm not sure what's holding him back from joining the Kenny/Luke/Jason/Keith/Carrie/Blake/Miranda A-list club?... Perhaps an event like Stapleton's 2015 CMAs would launch him into the next level? Who knows? He has been super consistent and very successful so it's weird that he isn't in the A-list club...
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 29, 2016 19:42:11 GMT -5
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 30, 2016 7:44:05 GMT -5
I feel like this should have gone to Shania Twain (just for the sake of having her involved with the 50th as well). I know she and the CMA don't have amazing history, but she's still an icon who should be recognized. I don't know if Kenny has matched the global impact of artists like Garth and Taylor... which begs the question, do record labels have pull in getting these awards?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 8:02:36 GMT -5
I feel like this should have gone to Shania Twain (just for the sake of having her involved with the 50th as well). I know she and the CMA don't have amazing history, but she's still an icon who should be recognized. I don't know if Kenny has matched the global impact of artists like Garth and Taylor... which begs the question, do record labels have pull in getting these awards? I doubt the labels have much with getting these special type of awards. I think that if they were going to hand out the Pinnacle Award, they made the right choice with Kenny Chesney as he is a touring giant, always has had a radio prescence and has been in the industry for like 20 years now. I know that Shania Twain also sells and sells even better than Kenny Chesney but her reign of success is a lot shorter than Kenny Chesney so I think that was a massive factor in Kenny Chesney (I do believe Tim McGraw maybe could've gotten the Pinnacle Award instead of Kenny Chesney). What I find interesting is that the Pinnacle Award came too the past 2 recipients were either A. Retiring (at least temporarily) or B. Leaving Country Music (hopefully temporarily). I just don't envision Kenny Chesney retiring or leaving country music.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 30, 2016 8:11:45 GMT -5
In terms of global prominence, though, that's where I'm a little iffy. Kenny hasn't done much at all outside of North America; unlike Carrie, Shania, Dolly, Garth, and Taylor who have all had tours and single releases outside of North America and Australia... I think he's very deserving but I always thought it was more of a global impact award...
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 30, 2016 8:23:16 GMT -5
Excuse me? Why is Chris Stapleton nominated for ENTERTAINER OF THE YEAR? Over Jason Aldean and Kenny Really? I honestly would like this explained to me. The other 4 I can put my bias aside and understand even if I don't care for them personally, but STAPLETON?? Have you read the technical criteria for consideration? Here it is from the CMAs: Stapleton's recorded performances are highly regarded (and music videos are perhaps included here), his live vocal performances are incredible, he had the biggest sales of any country act in the past year, he's had very high profile performances (from the CMAs with Justin to SNL to the Grammys), and in general both his leadership in carrying the flag for country music and his contribution to bringing back more traditional country music have been huge in the past year. I get that a lot of people make EOTY about touring, but in a technical sense the award is supposed to be about a lot more than that and Stapleton fits that bill. I don't understand people saying Stapleton needs to release more music to be considered. Nothing in EOTY talks about longevity. It's Entertainer of the Year, so only the past year should be considered. It shouldn't matter what an artist has or hasn't done prior to the year in question.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 8:24:48 GMT -5
In terms of global prominence, though, that's where I'm a little iffy. Kenny hasn't done much at all outside of North America; unlike Carrie, Shania, Dolly, Garth, and Taylor who have all had tours and single releases outside of North America and Australia... I think he's very deserving but I always thought it was more of a global impact award... I think the award might be impact in America/ and overall impact in country music. Having said that I would loved to see Carrie Underwood receive the award, but that can wait for when her career is winding down.
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Post by ungratefulwood on Oct 30, 2016 11:23:48 GMT -5
Excuse me? Why is Chris Stapleton nominated for ENTERTAINER OF THE YEAR? Over Jason Aldean and Kenny Really? I honestly would like this explained to me. The other 4 I can put my bias aside and understand even if I don't care for them personally, but STAPLETON?? Yes EOTY should go to the most well rounded country superstar of the year. Chris Stapleton is 5th out of 5 people in that race. A very distant 5th He isn't even same league. Many people refer to him as an outlier that doesn't belong and I completely agree... Give him male vocalist if he is a great recording artist and singer, but he is not EOTY worthy this or more than likely any other year.
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Post by seak05 on Oct 30, 2016 12:46:55 GMT -5
Luke told country countdown he's doing "Move" at CMA awards. If you were wondering when to go refill your drinks and snacks, or go to the bathroom during the telecast.
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Post by ungratefulwood on Oct 30, 2016 12:57:12 GMT -5
Luke is a great entertainer but as far as his music goes he is basically the country music equivalent of call of duty.
Pumps music out like candy with very little thought or originality going into any of it, but just like COD people keep buying it even if it is pretty much the same exact thing over and over again.
Can't really blame him for that though why not capitalize on the profits, if people are willing to constantly buy?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 13:38:29 GMT -5
^^Well, the Luke performance is as of now the first but of crap of the night, hopefully the last.
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Post by maddkat on Oct 30, 2016 18:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 30, 2016 18:57:02 GMT -5
The first several rows are entirely made up of nominees and past EOTY, FVOTY, and MVOTY winners. Should be amazing to see. Also curious to see who's going to be there that hasn't been confirmed yet. Off the top of my head, Dixie Chicks, Shania Twain, Taylor Swift, Alison Krauss, Willie Nelson, Barbara Mandrell, Glen Campbell, etc.
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Oct 30, 2016 20:45:30 GMT -5
I'm so excited to see so many names of past winners announced!
Out of living winners who hasn't confirmed?
Living Entertainers not confirmed: Glen Campbell Loretta Lynn Mel Tillis Ronnie Milsap Dolly Parton Willie Nelson Barbara Mandrell Hank Williams Jr. Shania Twain Dixie Chicks Kenny Chesney Taylor Swift Blake Shelton
Living Female Vocalists not Confirmed: Loretta Lynn Olivia Newton-John Dolly Parton Crystal Gayle Barbara Mandrell Emmylou Harris Janie Fricke K.T. Oslin Kathy Mattea Tanya Tucker Mary Chapin Carpenter Pam Tillis Alison Krauss Patty Loveless Lee Ann Womack Gretchen Wilson Taylor Swift
Living Male Vocalists not Confirmed: Glen Campbell Don Williams Kenny Rogers Lee Greenwood Ricky Van Shelton Toby Keith Blake Shelton
It'll be weird not to see Blake Shelton, Kenny Chesney, Dolly Parton, and Willie Nelson there and I'd expect them to be there if not on stage.
For former EOTY winners I can see Shania, Ronnie, Dolly, and Kenny showing up. I don't think Hank or Dixie Chicks are going to go, and Loretta, Glen, and Mel are all sick and I don't see them making it. That leaves Barbara Mandrell and Taylor Swift, I don't think either are going to show up but I'd love to see either there. Really all of them should try to go exceptions to the ill.
For the FVOTY winners there's so many who haven't been announced as making an appearance and I doubt many will be but I'd die of happiness just seeing Mary, K.T., Kathy, Pam, Emmylou, Crystal or Janie on screen for a second! Tanya, Gretchen, Lee Ann, Patty, and Alison are all the most likely to show up I'd think. No clue if Olivia would or not lol
For the MVOTY There's not many who aren't included. Glen's sick and I don't think will be there. I don't see Don making it. Kenny & Lee I can see making an appearance. Ricky and Toby aren't going to show I'd think.
While they haven't announced any groups or duos making an appearance I'd love to see The Judds, Diamond Rio, Lonestar, Montgomery Gentry, and The Oak Ridge Boys to show up. Kristian Bush should go too seeing as he did win a few as part of Sugarland!
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Post by avalyn on Oct 30, 2016 20:59:12 GMT -5
Kanenrá:ke Well Loretta is supposed to be at the Opry Tuesday, so maybe she'll be at the Awards as well. Anything is possible.
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Post by seak05 on Oct 30, 2016 22:30:00 GMT -5
Kenny and Dolly are both receiving awards, so they'll be there. I would guess performing too, but it hasn't been announced yet. The odd one would be Blake, but don't know is filming schedule for the Voice, I know they start back up filming next week ahead of the live shows.
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Post by Fanofctrymusic on Oct 30, 2016 22:44:58 GMT -5
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