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Post by seak05 on Jul 19, 2017 12:26:53 GMT -5
Hey y'all sorry I haven't been keeping this up to date, when the "summer" is over & I get back to my day job, I should be able to start again.
To what raylatch said, I make a distinction between rooting for songs, and rooting for fairness. Basically I want crap female song treated the same as a crap male song. And then I'll complain about why crap does well at country radio.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 14:33:25 GMT -5
Question: Non OTV picks aside. Should we just naturally expect that every female song not by Maren Morris, Carrie Underwood and Kelsea Ballerini will fail automatically and will be lucky to hit the Top 50?
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Post by seak05 on Jul 24, 2017 16:57:54 GMT -5
Question: Non OTV picks aside. Should we just naturally expect that every female song not by Maren Morris, Carrie Underwood and Kelsea Ballerini will fail automatically and will be lucky to hit the Top 50? I mean Miranda usually hits top 50. I think this is maybe going a little to far: recently we've seen both Runaway June and Raelynn crack the top 30 as well. But I do think we should be happy and treat it as an accomplishment when a song by none of the aforementioned top 4 make it to the top 50.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 17:16:02 GMT -5
Question: Non OTV picks aside. Should we just naturally expect that every female song not by Maren Morris, Carrie Underwood and Kelsea Ballerini will fail automatically and will be lucky to hit the Top 50? I mean Miranda usually hits top 50. I think this is maybe going a little to far: recently we've seen both Runaway June and Raelynn crack the top 30 as well. But I do think we should be happy and treat it as an accomplishment when a song by none of the aforementioned top 4 make it to the top 50. I guess. I always like to believe that female artists are treated equal to male and the reason females don't succeed is because many of the Nashville labels have males to female outnumbered like 2 to 3 to 1. I believe if Nashville labels focused and signed more women instead of men to their labels and released more female singles to country radio than men singles, then I believe there might be more success for women. I'm probably wrong in this way of thinking but that's my way of thinking. I just feel like most singles regardless of gender at least make the Top 50 to Top 40.
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Post by gingersnap on Jul 24, 2017 18:37:52 GMT -5
I feel the reason women don't get their music played like their male counterparts do is because the Nashville music business is controlled by men , always has been that way, men are record executives at the labels, most of the dj's are men , usually it is a man's name and then a woman for the dj's ,if the station even has a woman dj. There is one station that has like 4 guys on their morning program. I don't see women getting their music played on country radio until their are major changes starting at the record companies and with radio dj's. I don't think women should be given any special treatment over men when it comes to their music being played , but they should be given a fair chance.
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Post by Troublemaker on Jul 24, 2017 18:53:04 GMT -5
I always like to believe that female artists are treated equal to male This is a big joke especially if you believe this because female artists aren't given equal opportunities like their male counterparts which is sad. Look at Tin man which is struggling to remain afloat at radio, it has sold almost as much copies as Cole Swindell's Flatliner which is already top 10. Let's be sincere with ourselves radio is anything but fair to women
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Post by bboat11 on Jul 25, 2017 1:00:47 GMT -5
I mean Miranda usually hits top 50. I think this is maybe going a little to far: recently we've seen both Runaway June and Raelynn crack the top 30 as well. But I do think we should be happy and treat it as an accomplishment when a song by none of the aforementioned top 4 make it to the top 50. I guess. I always like to believe that female artists are treated equal to male and the reason females don't succeed is because many of the Nashville labels have males to female outnumbered like 2 to 3 to 1. I believe if Nashville labels focused and signed more women instead of men to their labels and released more female singles to country radio than men singles, then I believe there might be more success for women. I'm probably wrong in this way of thinking but that's my way of thinking. I just feel like most singles regardless of gender at least make the Top 50 to Top 40. I know you are just sharing what you like to believe, but I don't think there is any possible way that females are treated fairly compared to males at radio. The argument that most singles regardless of gender at least make the top 50 to top 40 is pretty much totally irrelevant because any song is unanimously declared a flop at that point. Sure there are way more male artists, so it is going to seem like more males are breaking through. But if you were to really break it down into ratios of how many songs by males became hits on the airplay chart in the past year versus how many songs by females did, the male ratio would be extravagantly higher, especially if you look at it in terms of new males versus new females. There is definitely some merit to the argument that if more labels were signing female artists, more female artists would find success because out of a large group of women somebody HAS to stick, just like we are currently seeing with men. But the way things currently stand, we are seeing at least 2 or 3 male artist hit it big every single year, and at least a dozen more who find decent success. But we are lucky if we see 2-3 women hit it big in an entire decade... And for a dozen of them to find middling success throughout the year? That has literally never happened, even in the heyday of Martina/Trisha/Faith/Reba/Patty/Pam/Shania/Terri/LeAnn/Lee Ann/Jo Dee!!
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Post by travelrocks24 on Jul 25, 2017 5:14:22 GMT -5
I feel the reason women don't get their music played like their male counterparts do is because the Nashville music business is controlled by men , always has been that way, men are record executives at the labels, most of the dj's are men , usually it is a man's name and then a woman for the dj's ,if the station even has a woman dj. There is one station that has like 4 guys on their morning program. I don't see women getting their music played on country radio until their are major changes starting at the record companies and with radio dj's. I don't think women should be given any special treatment over men when it comes to their music being played , but they should be given a fair chance. Which station is this?
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