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Post by truemusicreviews on Feb 18, 2017 18:39:46 GMT -5
How would dropping music videos for the wrong songs help boost album sales???
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Post by Au$tin on Feb 18, 2017 19:58:19 GMT -5
How would dropping music videos for the wrong songs help boost album sales??? Promotion for multiple songs at once drives people to check out the full album. They're getting a much larger taste of the album at once than one single offers. The only weird thing, though, is that IFIC doesn't have a video either. It's fine for the other tracks to have videos as well, but it's weird that the main single itself doesn't. |
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Post by truemusicreviews on Feb 18, 2017 22:27:04 GMT -5
How would dropping music videos for the wrong songs help boost album sales??? Promotion for multiple songs at once drives people to check out the full album. They're getting a much larger taste of the album at once than one single offers. The only weird thing, though, is that IFIC doesn't have a video either. It's fine for the other tracks to have videos as well, but it's weird that the main single itself doesn't. Exactly...I don't think him dropping multiple music videos is an issue, but he really should be dropping videos for, you know, THE CURRENT SINGLE HE IS PUSHING TO THE F*CKING RADIO. |
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Post by badrobot on Feb 18, 2017 23:12:54 GMT -5
It's funny how much people care about this. Drake, Adele, The Weeknd, Rihanna, etc... none of them seem motivated by the charts. I'm sure they like having hits but none of them have to prove themselves anymore, so why should we give af about whether their promo is coordinated.
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Post by Glove Slap on Feb 18, 2017 23:23:29 GMT -5
I feel like there's been a wave of people complaining about videos recently, it wasn't that uncommon in the post-Magic Stick world from what I remember. Songs have been barreling up without videos for a while.
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Post by Caviar on Feb 18, 2017 23:37:13 GMT -5
I agree. About 4x a week in the Rihanna and LOTB thread someone is asking about a video. I'm like damn these songs are already hits. It's not that serious.
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Post by Old-school 72 on Feb 18, 2017 23:50:28 GMT -5
If a song is good, it doesn't need a video. Besides we don't need to see Rhiannas face. If MTV was still a musimusic video station or would be cool. But using my data to watch videos isn't what I want to do. We listens to music we don't need to watch it.
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Post by imbondz on Feb 19, 2017 8:17:04 GMT -5
Rarely if ever watch a music video.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 19, 2017 8:42:36 GMT -5
I hate to agree with the last two posts so don't link this to them but:
Do videos really do THAT much? As long as there are lyric videos or audio/videos on YouTube, that often is all that's needed. Other than extreme examples, do videos help a song out in the long term?
Agree with Austin that multiple videos from album tracks can be helpful toward album sales or general increased awareness toward that artist without relying on radio to push a song. I Feel It Coming is a radio single. It's doing fine. Why not put other songs out there to cover other channels?
Of course when an act promotes in a way other than the norm, their entire marketing team should be fired...
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Post by imbondz on Feb 19, 2017 9:20:47 GMT -5
Could budgets be an issue? Only so much marketing dollars go into an albums promotion. And an artist has to pay back to the label certain fees like recording the album costs, and I'm assuming video costs. But I guess nowadays videos can be made pretty cheaply.
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Post by Harx on Feb 19, 2017 9:52:38 GMT -5
I still don't understand why can't Drake have the videos for "One Dance" and "Controlla" published on YouTube. I mean, they exist. Actual money, effort was put into them. And it's not like most people even know that these videos exist, because he released them on Apple Music with pretty much zero promo or coverage.
I'd also really appreciate if there was an official audio for songs that don't have a video, because you have to find some bootlegs that will most likely end up being taken down for copyright, as a replacement for the official videos in playlists. So why can't they put out the official audio for "Love On The Brain' or "I Feel It Coming"?
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 19, 2017 9:52:43 GMT -5
Rarely if ever watch a music video. And I watch a lot of music videos. I actually listen to the radio! Gasp! |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Feb 19, 2017 11:02:25 GMT -5
I still don't understand why can't Drake have the videos for "One Dance" and "Controlla" published on YouTube. I mean, they exist. Actual money, effort was put into them. And it's not like most people even know that these videos exist, because he released them on Apple Music with pretty much zero promo or coverage. I'd also really appreciate if there was an official audio for songs that don't have a video, because you have to find some bootlegs that will most likely end up being taken down for copyright, as a replacement for the official videos in playlists. So why can't they put out the official audio for "Love On The Brain' or "I Feel It Coming"? Sorry to ask about the Drake videos only available on Apple Music, but I wonder whether that's part of the exclusivity deal he signed with them. Your question about having an official audio video is a valid one. I mean, Closer did pretty well while having only the lyric one and even when the official video became available, it has stayed the more successful one, and for Shape of You have a lyric one was a good stopgap decision until the officialvideo came out, and continues to be a significant for in YouTube. |
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Post by Soulsista on Feb 19, 2017 11:58:34 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:
March 3, 1962
01 01 Duke Of Earl - Gene Chandler (3rd and final week at #1)
02 05 Hey Baby - Bruce Channel
03 02 The Wanderer - Dion
04 06 Break It To Me Gently - Brenda Lee
05 04 The Twist - Chubby Checker
06 08 Crying In The Rain - The Everly Brothers
07 03 Norman - Sue Thompson
08 16 Midnight In Moscow - Kenny Ball & His Jazzmen
09 07 Peppermint Twist (Part 1) - Joey Dee & The Starlighters
10 11 Chip Chip - Gene McDaniels
March 4, 1967
01 03 Ruby Tuesday - The Rolling Stones (1st and only week at #1)
02 02 Love Is Here And Now You're Gone - The Supremes
03 01 Kind Of a Drag - The Buckinghams
04 10 Baby I Need Your Lovin' - Johnny Rivers
05 05 Georgy Girl - The Seekers
06 06 The Beat Goes On - Sonny & Cher
07 07 Gimme Some Lovin' - The Spencer Davis Group
08 08 Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye - The Casinos
09 14 Sock It To Me Baby - Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels
10 04 I'm a Believer - The Monkees
March 4, 1972
01 01 Without You - Nilsson (3rd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 02 Hurting Each Other - The Carpenters
03 03 Precious And Few - Climax
04 05 Down By The Lazy River - The Osmonds
05 08 Everything I Own - Bread
06 07 The Lion Sleeps Tonight (Wimoweh) - Robert John
07 13 Heart Of Gold - Neil Young
08 04 Let's Stay Together - Al Green
09 10 Sweet Seasons - Carole King
10 14 Bang A Gong (Get It On) - T. Rex
March 5, 1977
01 02 Love Theme From A Star Is Born (Evergreen) - Barbra Streisand (1st of 3 weeks at #1)
02 01 New Kid In Town - The Eagles
03 04 Fly Like An Eagle - The Steve Miller Band
04 05 I Like Dreamin' - Kenny Nolan
05 03 Blinded By The Light - Manfred Mann's Earth Band
06 08 Night Moves - Bob Seger
07 09 Dancing Queen - ABBA
08 11 Year Of The Cat - Al Stewart
09 07 Torn Between Two Lovers - Mary MacGregor
10 10 Weekend In New England - Barry Manilow
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Post by Soulsista on Feb 19, 2017 12:33:01 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:
March 6, 1982
01 01 Centerfold - The J. Geils Band (5th of 6 weeks at #1)
02 02 Open Arms - Journey
03 09 I Love Rock & Roll - Joan Jett & The Blackhearts
04 04 Shake It Up - The Cars
05 05 That Girl - Stevie Wonder
06 06 Sweet Dreams - Air Supply
07 03 I Can't Go For That (No Can Do) - Daryl Hall & John Oates
08 12 Mirror, Mirror - Diana Ross
09 10 Leader Of The Band - Dan Fogelberg
10 11 Take It Easy On Me - The Little River Band
March 7, 1987
01 01 Livin' On a Prayer - Bon Jovi (4th and final week at #1)
02 02 Jacob's Ladder - Huey Lewis & The News
03 05 You Got It All - The Jets
04 06 Somewhere Out There - Linda Ronstadt & James Ingram
05 07 Respect Yourself - Bruce Willis
06 03 Keep Your Hands To Yourself - The Georgia Satellites
07 08 (You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Party!) - The Beastie Boys
08 09 Big Time - Peter Gabriel
09 12 Mandolin Rain - Bruce Hornsby & The Range
10 15 Let's Wait Awhile - Janet Jackson
March 7, 1992
01 01 To Be With You - Mr. Big (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 02 I'm Too Sexy - Right Said Fred
03 04 Remember The Time - Michael Jackson
04 03 I Love Your Smile - Shanice
05 11 Save The Best For Last - Vanessa Williams
06 12 Tears In Heaven - Eric Clapton
07 05 Diamonds And Pearls - Prince & The New Power Generation
08 08 Masterpiece - Atlantic Starr
09 06 Smells Like Teen Spirit - Nirvana
10 13 Good For Me - Amy Grant
March 1, 1997
01 01 Wannabe - The Spice Girls (2nd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 02 Un-Break My Heart - Toni Braxton
03 03 Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - Puff Daddy feat. Mase
04 04 I Believe I Can Fly - R. Kelly
05 06 You Were Meant For Me - Jewel
06 05 Don't Let Go (Love) - En Vogue
07 09 In My Bed - Dru Hill
08 17 Don't Cry For Me Argentina - Madonna
09 08 Nobody - Keith Sweat feat. Athena Cage
10 11 Every Time I Close My Eyes - Babyface
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Post by Soulsista on Feb 19, 2017 13:07:08 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 Flashback:
March 2, 2002
01 01 Always On Time - Ja Rule feat. Ashanti (2nd and final week at #1)
02 02 How You Remind Me - Nickelback
03 04 Ain't It Funny - Jennifer Lopez feat. Ja Rule
04 05 In The End - Linkin Park
05 06 Hey Baby - No Doubt feat. Bounty Killer
06 03 U Got It Bad - Usher
07 07 Wherever You Will Go - The Calling
08 08 My Sacrifice - Creed
09 10 What About Us? - Brandy
10 12 7 Days - Craig David
11 14 Can't Fight The Moonlight - LeAnn Rimes
March 3, 2007
01 08 What Goes Around... - Justin Timberlake (1st and only week at #1)
02 05 Runaway Love - Ludacris feat. Mary J. Blige
03 01 Say It Right - Nelly Furtado
04 RE Not Ready To Make Nice - The Dixie Chicks
05 11 Don't Matter - Akon
06 03 The Sweet Escape - Gwen Stefani feat. Akon
07 06 It's Not Over - Daughtry
08 07 Cupid's Chokehold - The Gym Class Heroes feat. Patrick Stump
09 02 Irreplaceable - Beyonce
10 04 This Ain't a Scene, It's An Arms Race - Fall Out Boy
14 24 Waiting On The World To Change - John Mayer
March 3, 2012
01 NE Part Of Me - Katy Perry (1st and only week at #1)
02 02 Set Fire To The Rain - Adele
03 07 I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston
04 01 Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You) - Kelly Clarkson
05 17 Rolling In The Deep - Adele
06 03 We Are Young - fun. feat. Janelle Monae
07 11 Someone Like You - Adele
08 06 We Found Love - Rihanna feat. Calvin Harris
09 NE Starships - Nicki Minaj
10 NE Turn Up The Music - Chris Brown
March 5, 2016
01 04 Work - Rihanna feat. Drake (1st of 9 weeks at #1)
02 01 Love Yourself - Justin Bieber
03 02 Stressed Out - Twenty One Pilots
04 03 Sorry - Justin Bieber
05 05 My House - Flo Rida
06 07 Pillowtalk - Zayn
07 06 Hello - Adele
08 08 Me, Myself & I - G-Eazy & Bebe Rexha
09 09 Roses - The Chainsmokers feat. Rozes
10 11 Cake By The Ocean - DNCE
22 RE Uptown Funk! - Mark Ronson feat. Bruno Mars
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Feb 19, 2017 13:47:05 GMT -5
Over or under 13 for It Ain't Me's debut or second week if it debuts this week?
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Post by taylor on Feb 19, 2017 14:06:49 GMT -5
Paris is barely in the top 10 of the Hot 100 and on iTunes. Not another #1 here, I guess.
Ps: Cheap Thrills will leave the Hot 100 this week after 52 weeks, right?
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Post by feoba on Feb 19, 2017 14:10:06 GMT -5
Cheers to Work going #1.
Love On the Brain is rising like crazy on radio. It's already passed S&M, Only Girl, and even Umbrella.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 14:14:32 GMT -5
Paris is barely in the top 10 of the Hot 100 and on iTunes. Not another #1 here, I guess. Ps: Cheap Thrills will leave the Hot 100 this week after 52 weeks, right? Yeah it will if it doesn't bullet this week |
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Post by Gary on Feb 19, 2017 14:17:20 GMT -5
Paris is barely in the top 10 of the Hot 100 and on iTunes. Not another #1 here, I guess. Ps: Cheap Thrills will leave the Hot 100 this week after 52 weeks, right? Yeah it will if it doesn't bullet this week Even if it does, Top 25 is the threshold |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 14:23:23 GMT -5
Yeah it will if it doesn't bullet this week Even if it does, Top 25 is the threshold Not if it gains in points though which DLMD will this week |
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Post by fhas on Feb 19, 2017 14:24:10 GMT -5
Paris is barely in the top 10 of the Hot 100 and on iTunes. Not another #1 here, I guess. Ps: Cheap Thrills will leave the Hot 100 this week after 52 weeks, right? simmnfierzig said that if a song increase in points, it breaks the 25/52 rule. Don't Let Me Down is expected to break it. |
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Post by Gary on Feb 19, 2017 14:37:02 GMT -5
OK just looked it up
The exact wording of the rule is "descending" songs.
In the same way songs below 50/20 can still chart while not descending, songs below 52/25 can too
Even if both songs manage to hang on another week, both appear to be nearing the end though
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Post by jenglisbe on Feb 19, 2017 14:46:51 GMT -5
If they're learning that most streams for YouTube videos are really to have the audio in the background (which many have suggested), it makes sense financially to not have a real video and just have a lyric video or something.
It also makes sense to see if videos can help highlight other songs on an album, though it will be interesting to see if that proves to be financially worthwhile.
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Post by Raccoon on Feb 19, 2017 15:15:20 GMT -5
Over or under 13 for It Ain't Me's debut or second week if it debuts this week? I'm going with under 13. iTunes is good, Spotify is great and YouTube doing really well, just radio kinda lagging. Top 10. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Feb 19, 2017 16:08:32 GMT -5
Paris is barely in the top 10 of the Hot 100 and on iTunes. Not another #1 here, I guess. Ps: Cheap Thrills will leave the Hot 100 this week after 52 weeks, right? simmnfierzig said that if a song increase in points, it breaks the 25/52 rule. Don't Let Me Down is expected to break it. It hasn't happened since the rule was instituted, unlike the 20/50 rule being broken quite a few a times. |
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Post by 85la on Feb 19, 2017 20:30:17 GMT -5
I hate to agree with the last two posts so don't link this to them but: Do videos really do THAT much? As long as there are lyric videos or audio/videos on YouTube, that often is all that's needed. Other than extreme examples, do videos help a song out in the long term? Agree with Austin that multiple videos from album tracks can be helpful toward album sales or general increased awareness toward that artist without relying on radio to push a song. I Feel It Coming is a radio single. It's doing fine. Why not put other songs out there to cover other channels? Of course when an act promotes in a way other than the norm, their entire marketing team should be fired... I think it's starting to change now, but definitely in the past, music videos absolutely helped songs out a whole lot. There's numerous examples of videos shooting to #1 or way up the chart after the video is released, including Rihanna's Stay, Wrecking Ball, Anaconda, Drunk in Love, Bad Blood, etc. Even before Youtube videos counted towards the Hot 100, videos could help a song's performance, as shown in the flashback charts I remember in 2007 when What Goes Around Comes Around shot from #8 to #1 the week it's video came out and went on sale to iTunes. About the recurrent rules, it seems they really need to simplify it because it's getting so damn hard to tell when a song will be removed. |
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Post by ry4n on Feb 19, 2017 20:34:57 GMT -5
^ I thought What Goes Around shot to #1 because of his Grammy's performance? (same reason Runaway Love shot to #2 and the Dixie Chicks re-entered at #4)
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Feb 19, 2017 21:05:28 GMT -5
Those video examples are extreme cases though. Wrecking Ball and Anaconda were viral videos, Bad Blood was highly promoted. Of course those ones will help the song's performance in the longer run but I'm talking about the average cases with average non-event videos. If I Feel It Coming has a video coming out, unless it's an event or has potential to go viral, I doubt it'll do much to help the song on the charts.
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