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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 11:38:55 GMT -5
Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Don't Speak is and will always be flawless.
I love Spiderwebs too, though. That bridge is the best! Now it's gone too deep, you wake me in my sleep/my dreams become nightmares 'cause you're ringing in my ears was literally the story of my life at one point lol. NGL I was a bit surprised to see it make it so far - I would have predicted Sunday Morning to be the second-best performing ND song - but I'm not mad at all about it.
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Post by bat1990 on Sept 6, 2017 12:45:58 GMT -5
All of these rankdown winners are becoming so predictable. *yawn*
Dixie Chicks at least had a nice twist.
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Post by Red on Sept 6, 2017 13:10:42 GMT -5
All of these rankdown winners are becoming so predictable. *yawn* Dixie Chicks at least had a nice twist. Eh, predictable is not always bad. Sometimes, predictable is just the way to go. Look at the Eminem rankdown as an example. The top two was ultra obvious ("Lose Yourself" and "Stan"), but they're universally considered to be Em's best songs. The funny thing about "Don't Speak" is I used to be like walker and thought that it was overrated. I didn't think that it was "depressing", I just didn't think that it was all that interesting of a song. A couple years ago, I revisited the song, and I found that there was so much more to the song than meets the eye. It's surprisingly complex and has a lot to take in. I feel comfortable in proclaiming it to be one of the best songs of the 90's now, and (duh) a deserving winner.
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Post by Willow Rinadoobee Breakfast on Sept 6, 2017 13:12:44 GMT -5
I want to thank you all for participating. I would've never thought this would've gotten through, but thanks to you all, I got more than 24 submissions!
Now, on to the 2006 and Furtado rankdowns. Also, my 90's RD is coming, which I'm sure will break the predictability of these RDs. BTW, Don't Speak is in it.
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Post by feoba on Sept 6, 2017 17:26:02 GMT -5
Absolutely amazing rank down! Thank you!
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Sept 6, 2017 18:53:48 GMT -5
my Top 2 was the top 2 so I am happy with these results. "Don't Speak" is really in its own class on its own imo compared to everything else they have done. Not a fan of her solo stuff at all tbh even though there were a few songs that I liked a little I am glad none of them won over No Doubt songs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 19:05:20 GMT -5
All of these rankdown winners are becoming so predictable. *yawn* Dixie Chicks at least had a nice twist. I was just saying a week or or so ago that I've gotten to the point that if I see certain songs in a rankdown I don't even participate on principle b/c I'm tired of seing them come up repeatedly and predictably dominate. (Conversely I'm also tired of OSD now for always having a high standard deviation and being eliminated early.) But it's tricky when you have a rankdown where there are really only one or two 'acceptable' outcomes, which is more often than the case for artist rankdowns. On the one hand it does make for boring end results, but on the other hand any other result would make almost everyone mad. I personally would have been salty af if Don't Speak didn't win, lol. I do agree Dixie Chicks had probably the biggest twist I've seen in one. Usually we have to settle for shocking top 10 snubs. I'm personally kinda geeked for my Halloween rankdown and the one other non-holiday rankdown I have planned for this year, just for the fact that there is nothing 'predictable' about them.
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Post by aerodynamite on Sept 6, 2017 19:31:10 GMT -5
I was just saying a week or or so ago that I've gotten to the point that if I see certain songs in a rankdown I don't even participate on principle b/c I'm tired of seing them come up repeatedly and predictably dominate. (Conversely I'm also tired of OSD now for always having a high standard deviation and being eliminated early.) If you're sick of certain songs dominating, then that should be motivation to participate so that you can hinder them. This mentality of "I don't want to participate because I'm tired of predictable outcomes" only creates more predictable outcomes and perpetuates the cycle. If everyone who felt this way changed their mindset and decided to join instead, we might have more variation in results. That's a big problem I have with artist rankdowns: the most obvious picks tend to win not because those are necessarily the best songs, but because there are always surface fans who mainly only care for the obvious stuff. That, too, feeds into the predictability, along with the idea of 'acceptable' outcomes. People think things are always 'supposed to' go a certain way, and they don't like when it doesn't, so they go along with the way it's 'supposed to' be, even when they don't wholeheartedly support it. No one wants to rank anything lower than they 'should' because they're scared to face the backlash. I don't think this game is an example of that, but that mentality seems to affect a lot of games. I was the lowest rank for Don't Speak by a mile and I'm not too bothered by the outcome. Then again, I don't dislike any of these songs. But yeah, I thought a DS/TSE finale was certain, so seeing one of my all-time favorites in the top 2 instead was surprise enough.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 6, 2017 20:06:45 GMT -5
In some cases, there is only one or a few correct answers. Don't Speak is an epic song and is their best - though I think with No Doubt there were other acceptable picks as well.
The Lady Gaga rankdown could have gone one of several different ways and still be acceptable. I'd like to do an Alanis rankdown sometime but I know it would be overwhelmingly in favour of Jagged Little Pill singles - not that that's a bad end result because that is her best album hands clean down, but it does make it more fun when the results are less predictable. Probably something to think about when deciding whether to do a rankdown or not. A Celine Dion one could be fun, for example. I have a few in mind (already reserved!) that I don't think are predictable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 20:17:55 GMT -5
I was just saying a week or or so ago that I've gotten to the point that if I see certain songs in a rankdown I don't even participate on principle b/c I'm tired of seing them come up repeatedly and predictably dominate. (Conversely I'm also tired of OSD now for always having a high standard deviation and being eliminated early.) If you're sick of certain songs dominating, then that should be motivation to participate so that you can hinder them. This mentality of "I don't want to participate because I'm tired of predictable outcomes" only creates more predictable outcomes and perpetuates the cycle. If everyone who felt this way changed their mindset and decided to join instead, we might have more variation in results. That's a big problem I have with artist rankdowns: the most obvious picks tend to win not because those are necessarily the best songs, but because there are always surface fans who mainly only care for the obvious stuff. That, too, feeds into the predictability, along with the idea of 'acceptable' outcomes. People think things are always 'supposed to' go a certain way, and they don't like when it doesn't, so they go along with the way it's 'supposed to' be, even when they don't wholeheartedly support it. No one wants to rank anything lower than they 'should' because they're scared to face the backlash. I don't think this game is an example of that, but that mentality seems to affect a lot of games. I was the lowest rank for Don't Speak by a mile and I'm not too bothered by the outcome. Then again, I don't dislike any of these songs. But yeah, I thought a DS/TSE finale was certain, so seeing one of my all-time favorites in the top 2 instead was surprise enough. I should clarify on this because I realize my particular complaint is being mistaken for a complaint about something else. Predictability in and of itself is not my issue (I think it's bat's issue though, and it's a fair point). It may seem weird but I'm grousing about songs I genuinely like. My only hard and fast rule with rankdown participation is that I don't participate in anything where I know I won't like at least half (preferably 3/4) of the songs in it, so it's not ever likely that I'll truly be 'mad' with any outcome, predictable or not. And I'm not the kind of person that will purposely sink a song just b/c I'm "tired" of seeing it win or place top 3 (I'll leave stuff like that to gravey lol). But I also don't need another rankdown to confirm that I love SUBG, you know? That's all I mean. I know if I participate in the rankdown I'll be contributing to the very thing I'm sick of seeing. It's like when you hear a song on the radio a gazillion times and finally catch the feeling of burnout...so I think I should be calling it burnout instead of predictability. Because it's different with say, this rankdown where I expected Don't Speak to win (or if not Don't Speak, Cool). I knew that before I participated that DS or Cool would win, and I also knew that my love for both songs would contribute to that result, but I participated anyway because I don't feel burned out on any of Gwen or No Doubt's songs appearing in rankdowns, aside from Sweet Escape. That said there are at least two other rankdowns where DS will be there and after that I am probably gonna be good on ranking DS for anything. And on the other end of the spectrum, I've already had my fill of seeing OSD struggle against the standard deviation gods in every rankdown (including her own #1s). To a large extent the real problem is just that we're having so many rankdowns now, and the theme of those rankdowns result in certain songs coming up again and again. The weekly top 40s overlap with the year-ends which overlap with the decade end which overlaps with #2 chart peakers or whatever. And I think most rankdown regulars are more drawn to rankdowns with songs they know so it's a bit of a conundrum trying to find ways to create a rankdown that feels 'fresh' to people like me, but that is still familiar enough to pull in others who don't have time or desire to listen to a lot of new songs.
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Post by CF15 on Sept 6, 2017 20:18:50 GMT -5
Yes! "Don't Speak" has to be EASILY their signature song (regardless of what the Billboard Hot 100 indicates), so I think this is a very deserving winner. :)
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Post by aerodynamite on Sept 6, 2017 20:55:18 GMT -5
To a large extent the real problem is just that we're having so many rankdowns now, and the theme of those rankdowns result in certain songs coming up again and again. The weekly top 40s overlap with the year-ends which overlap with the decade end which overlaps with #2 chart peakers or whatever. And I think most rankdown regulars are more drawn to rankdowns with songs they know so it's a bit of a conundrum trying to find ways to create a rankdown that feels 'fresh' to people like me, but that is still familiar enough to pull in others who don't have time or desire to listen to a lot of new songs. This is what I hoped the top 40 rankdowns would be when I came up with the idea. I figured it would be familiar enough to draw people in while still introducing forgotten gems, songs that just missed the YE, and other songs that might not otherwise see the light of day in rankdowns. I started with a mid-00's Hot 100 chart week so that I could ease people into the concept (as well as easy myself into the task of rankdown hosting), and then from there I wanted to branch out both to earlier years and to genre charts. The first two both had repeat winners, and that very well may be a continuing trend moving forward if I stick to recent Hot 100 weeks. I agree about rankdowns being so redundant, and I would hate to be part of the problem instead of part of the solution.
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Post by Juanca on Sept 6, 2017 23:59:24 GMT -5
Interesting results! - Good to see Sunday Morning at #10. I remember liking it quite a bit during the TK era, but this time it didn't click with me much after several years of not listening to it - I was never a big fan of Hella Good. I like the beat and all, but the song felt incomplete and the chorus underwhelming... - Surprised but sad at 4 In the Morning. It's one of my favorite songs from Gwen. I love how she sounds, emotes, and the 80s instrumentation behind it. Timeless ballad - Just a Girl was the song that made me pay attention to ND. It was their first song that made it to my personal chart (top 5) and it has passed the test of time. Actually, I like it much more than in the 1990s :) - What You Waiting For: I was actually hoping it would end up higher. I think this was ahead of its time, one of Gwen's best too, and the best transition from ND to solo Gwen - It's My Life: Don't think this was top 5 material actually. Great cover, but I still like Talk Talk's version more as it carries a higher sense of anguish to me. - Underneath It All: What? I like it, but it's another one that I think it's not a top 5 material, sorry - Cool: I had a hard time ranking my 2-6 as I felt all of them had lots of strengths. Settled for Cool at #5 but could've ranked it a bit higher anyway. Great song! - Spiderwebs: The song that made me a fan of ND! Right after Just A Girl, this sounded awesome with multiple sections, mix of energetic and chill music and attitude, and just a great song that was unlike almost anything on the radio. - Don't Speak: when I first watched this on MTV, following JAG and Sw, I felt this was almost gimmicky and too simple and inoffensive. I'd use it as background music only. However, within a couple of months, I paid more attention to it and I was hooked. I appreciated the timeless quality of this song (it could've come from a 1970s album), the lyrics, Gwen's interpretation, especially in the ad-libs of the last minute, and the simple but effective instrumentation. It quickly became a multi-week #1 in my personal chart and a Top 10 of the decade for me. Great to see it win!!!
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 7, 2017 0:11:51 GMT -5
I love both songs, but IMOP, "Spiderwebs" is the better song.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 7, 2017 15:48:59 GMT -5
I also had a crush on Gwen in the Don't Speak video. Everything about it is so epic.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 8, 2017 0:04:05 GMT -5
I also had a crush on Gwen in the Don't Speak video. Everything about it is so epic. Tell me about it. I would do all versions of Gwen Stefani. Even MILF Stefani.
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