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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 27, 2017 18:25:03 GMT -5
*sigh* There's more to songs than the vocals. But in songs like Wild Thoughts the only thing that he contributes are his vocals. So you were there? My bet is that you have no idea what goes into building and recording a song. |
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Post by .It'sGriffin on Jun 27, 2017 18:58:58 GMT -5
But in songs like Wild Thoughts the only thing that he contributes are his vocals. So you were there? My bet is that you have no idea what goes into building and recording a song. What I mean is that the instrumental isn't even a sample. It's just a slight rework of "Maria Maria". Khaled heavily featured his pokemon cry on the track. It was a joke, doesn't matter that it was a s**tty one. |
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Jun 27, 2017 19:39:31 GMT -5
He barely contributes anything to his own songs at all, really. *sigh* There's more to songs than the vocals. Everything I've seen says he rarely does productions anymore either. And he surely doesn't DJ. |
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Post by flextamcsignals on Jun 27, 2017 19:54:44 GMT -5
When do you think Redbone will make the top 10?
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jun 27, 2017 20:42:56 GMT -5
When do you think Redbone will make the top 10? Never. I'm in the minority, but I don't think the song will hit the Top 10. It'll barely scrape. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 27, 2017 20:48:18 GMT -5
He barely contributes anything to his own songs at all, really. *sigh* There's more to songs than the vocals. Yes, but not in terms of presence/visuals. The 'rules' are different for writers/producers than for those front and center. |
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Post by forg on Jun 27, 2017 21:56:39 GMT -5
Songs to look out for: Cassie's Me & U. The 2006 track was just discounted on iTunes and has broken the Top 40 (It's currently sitting at #35), it's too early to see if it'll have enough momentum to re-enter the Hot 100. The R&B track peaked as high as #3 in it's original run over 11 years ago. My question: Why? I didn't know the song was that memorable, I mean, many Puff Daddy and Biggie tracks were discounted as well yet they haven't broken iTunes Top 40, and they were arguably bigger stars in their day than Cassie. It's #28 now :o Well it was a hit song, it doesn't matter if Cassie is no longer a star. Are there any hit Puff Daddy/Biggie songs discounted? If not then no wonder they're not charting. And iTunes crowd is usually pop leaning anyway |
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Post by 85la on Jun 27, 2017 22:06:58 GMT -5
^ It is quite an oddity though. Me & U was a hit, but not a huge cultural event or anything. It was just kind of an obscure one-hit-wonder back in 2006, and wasn't even a big digital seller then.
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Post by flextamcsignals on Jun 27, 2017 22:24:20 GMT -5
When do you think Redbone will make the top 10? Never. I'm in the minority, but I don't think the song will hit the Top 10. It'll barely scrape. Top 10 on Spotify, discount on iTunes, rising on the radio. It will happen eventually, mark my words. |
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Post by truemusicreviews on Jun 27, 2017 22:33:43 GMT -5
I really doubt "Me & U" will make it if "One Last Time" couldn't after One Love Manchester.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 22:50:23 GMT -5
What's going on with radio updates? I can't see any on kworb and it's time for new thread
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Post by forg on Jun 27, 2017 23:01:18 GMT -5
^ It is quite an oddity though. Me & U was a hit, but not a huge cultural event or anything. It was just kind of an obscure one-hit-wonder back in 2006, and wasn't even a big digital seller then. 2006 was still the start of the rise of digital sales though. I guess the song is beloved or hit some nostalgic chord ;) I just noticed Puff Daddy & Faith Evans' I'll Be Missing You is #39 now. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jun 27, 2017 23:22:51 GMT -5
Never. I'm in the minority, but I don't think the song will hit the Top 10. It'll barely scrape. Top 10 on Spotify, discount on iTunes, rising on the radio. It will happen eventually, mark my words. We'll see. I hope it doesn't climb too high tho, I do not like it at all. |
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Post by divasummer on Jun 28, 2017 6:08:44 GMT -5
^ It is quite an oddity though. Me & U was a hit, but not a huge cultural event or anything. It was just kind of an obscure one-hit-wonder back in 2006, and wasn't even a big digital seller then. Obscure hit???? Not here on "Pulse". Cassie is a near legend here. Even when she's not putting out new music her thread still gets a lot of action. More than Whitney, Celine and sometimes Madonna. I also see people on here still talk about the trendsetting "Me & U" like it was the song of the year. People have not forgotten the paperthin ice princess vocals that she supplied on that song. Where have you been???? LOL!!!!! (total sarcasm) |
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 28, 2017 7:59:08 GMT -5
What's going on with radio updates? I can't see any on kworb and it's time for new thread I've seen this question in a few places; and I think it would be beneficial for Pulse at large to learn that Kworb is heavily dependent on AllAccess, whose own script for acquiring radio data from Mediabase is not currently functional. In short, the chain works like this: Mediabase > AllAccess > Kworb |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 8:50:06 GMT -5
Top 10 on Spotify, discount on iTunes, rising on the radio. It will happen eventually, mark my words. We'll see. I hope it doesn't climb too high tho, I do not like it at all. Redbone momentum is seriously stalling. I can easily see it beating BLAB or Issues, but it needs SJLT, stay, and mask off to die before it can make the top 10. |
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Post by fhas on Jun 28, 2017 8:56:56 GMT -5
We'll see. I hope it doesn't climb too high tho, I do not like it at all. Redbone momentum is seriously stalling. I can easily see it beating BLAB or Issues, but it needs SJLT, stay, and mask off to die before it can make the top 10. Redbone probably peaked on streaming. I think Unforgettable's more likely to reach top 10 next week, since it's gaining in all metrics. |
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Post by .It'sGriffin on Jun 28, 2017 9:02:08 GMT -5
Redbone momentum is seriously stalling. I can easily see it beating BLAB or Issues, but it needs SJLT, stay, and mask off to die before it can make the top 10. Redbone probably peaked on streaming. I think Unforgettable's more likely to reach top 10 next week, since it's gaining in all metrics. I'm willing to say that it will, due to the weakness of other songs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 9:44:52 GMT -5
Mask off has another month in the top 10 at max, SJLT not even that. the top 10 is extremely weak rn
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Post by truemusicreviews on Jun 28, 2017 10:18:58 GMT -5
I think "Redbone" can make the Top 10...it will overtake "Stay", "XO Tour Llif3', and "Something Just Like This". It will likely leapfrog "Body Like A Backroad" too, which will put it in the Top 10.
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Post by felipe on Jun 29, 2017 17:47:19 GMT -5
I don't really think Madonna was on top during the Bedtime Stories era. Actually, Madonna seemed to struggle through most of the 90s, isn't it so? No. She had 15 top ten hits and multiple multi-platinum albums during the 90s. Not just Take A Bow, but Vogue, Justify My Love, Ray of Light, etc. Starting in the 2000s however you would have a point, so even Madonna hasn't lasted forever. But it's too bad Rihanna is taking most of the press from this song, because I think it's amazing that DJ Khaled is reaching the pinnacle of his success after age 40, which is very rare for either gender. Vogue and Justify My Love are from the very beginning of the decade, Ray of Light was almost at the end. In between she struggled a lot to stay relevant, didn't she? From Erotica on, she just couldn't compete with the success of Janet, Mariah or other contemporaries - and she couldn't compete with her 80s self either. Erotica and Bedtime Stories sold less than half of her previous albums. It was only with Ray of Light that her career took an upward turn. |
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Post by Verisimilitude on Jun 29, 2017 17:50:14 GMT -5
No. She had 15 top ten hits and multiple multi-platinum albums during the 90s. Not just Take A Bow, but Vogue, Justify My Love, Ray of Light, etc. Starting in the 2000s however you would have a point, so even Madonna hasn't lasted forever. But it's too bad Rihanna is taking most of the press from this song, because I think it's amazing that DJ Khaled is reaching the pinnacle of his success after age 40, which is very rare for either gender. Vogue and Justify My Love are from the very beginning of the decade, Ray of Light was almost at the end. In between she struggled a lot to stay relevant, didn't she? From Erotica on, she just couldn't compete with the success of Janet, Mariah or other contemporaries - and she couldn't compete with her 80s self either. Erotica and Bedtime Stories sold less than half of her previous albums. It was only with Ray of Light that her career took an upward turn. What are you talking about? Madonna still had big hits with "I'll Remember", "Take A Bow", "Secret" and other top ten hits in between. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 29, 2017 18:14:41 GMT -5
No. She had 15 top ten hits and multiple multi-platinum albums during the 90s. Not just Take A Bow, but Vogue, Justify My Love, Ray of Light, etc. Starting in the 2000s however you would have a point, so even Madonna hasn't lasted forever. But it's too bad Rihanna is taking most of the press from this song, because I think it's amazing that DJ Khaled is reaching the pinnacle of his success after age 40, which is very rare for either gender. Vogue and Justify My Love are from the very beginning of the decade, Ray of Light was almost at the end. In between she struggled a lot to stay relevant, didn't she? From Erotica on, she just couldn't compete with the success of Janet, Mariah or other contemporaries - and she couldn't compete with her 80s self either. Erotica and Bedtime Stories sold less than half of her previous albums. It was only with Ray of Light that her career took an upward turn. Her sales may have dipped in a relative sense, but Madonna was still putting out hit singles and albums. She was still relevant. And, really, in terms of how the singles did, Ray of Light was a dip from Bedtime Stories. |
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Post by imperialmarch on Jun 30, 2017 16:28:01 GMT -5
But in songs like Wild Thoughts the only thing that he contributes are his vocals. So you were there? My bet is that you have no idea what goes into building and recording a song. Dj khalid produced only half the songs on his album, the only thing he contributes to the other half is being a narsistic pokemon and getting the people with "talent" toghether. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 16:47:24 GMT -5
So you were there? My bet is that you have no idea what goes into building and recording a song. Dj khalid produced only half the songs on his album, the only thing he contributes to the other half is being a narsistic pokemon and getting the people with "talent" toghether. n1, when i say that about other artists I'm somehow trolling but because Khaled is unpopular everyone can talk shit about him utter fucking hypocisy |
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Post by felipe on Jun 30, 2017 20:52:49 GMT -5
Vogue and Justify My Love are from the very beginning of the decade, Ray of Light was almost at the end. In between she struggled a lot to stay relevant, didn't she? From Erotica on, she just couldn't compete with the success of Janet, Mariah or other contemporaries - and she couldn't compete with her 80s self either. Erotica and Bedtime Stories sold less than half of her previous albums. It was only with Ray of Light that her career took an upward turn. Her sales may have dipped in a relative sense, but Madonna was still putting out hit singles and albums. She was still relevant. And, really, in terms of how the singles did, Ray of Light was a dip from Bedtime Stories. I replied to someone who mentioned Madonna was still at the top 12 years into her career. As much as she was still able to get some top 10 hits circa 1995, I don't agree that compared to her peak in the 80s (or even she success she would later have in the 00s). I think Rihanna's current status is comparable with that she had during the Umbrella days, possibly greater. Maybe you guys can help me with this, specially since I'm not American and we're specifically taking about US success, but it's always seemed to me that after Erotica Madonna lost a lot of her relevance, and if we're talking about her 90s hits - Take a Bow, I'll Remember, You'll See, Don't Cry For me Argentina - we're talking about ballads aimed at an older audience, not targeted at the MTV crowd Madonna had so famously been a part of, as if suddenly Madonna had lost her young appeal and turned into a staple of Adult Contemporary. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 30, 2017 22:14:15 GMT -5
Her sales may have dipped in a relative sense, but Madonna was still putting out hit singles and albums. She was still relevant. And, really, in terms of how the singles did, Ray of Light was a dip from Bedtime Stories. I replied to someone who mentioned Madonna was still at the top 12 years into her career. As much as she was still able to get some top 10 hits circa 1995, I don't agree that compared to her peak in the 80s (or even she success she would later have in the 00s). I think Rihanna's current status is comparable with that she had during the Umbrella days, possibly greater. Maybe you guys can help me with this, specially since I'm not American and we're specifically taking about US success, but it's always seemed to me that after Erotica Madonna lost a lot of her relevance, and if we're talking about her 90s hits - Take a Bow, I'll Remember, You'll See, Don't Cry For me Argentina - we're talking about ballads aimed at an older audience, not targeted at the MTV crowd Madonna had so famously been a part of, as if suddenly Madonna had lost her young appeal and turned into a staple of Adult Contemporary. You are forgetting Secret, Ray of Light, and Music when you list her post-Erotica hits (i.e. those are not ballads). I forget where Beautiful Stranger peaked, but it was at least a modest hit for her. |
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Post by 85la on Jul 1, 2017 0:22:58 GMT -5
Let's put it this way, you are right in that Madonna wasn't as big in the 90s as she was in the 80s, but she was definitely still big. Whereas she was maybe the #1 or #2 pop star during the 80s, She was still #6 on Billboard's Top Arists of the 90s list.
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Post by jebsib on Jul 1, 2017 0:36:22 GMT -5
CHR radio was always behind a new Madonna project straight through American Life in 2003. Those first singles were always treated like events well before the days of iHeart hourly premieres.
There was a slight backlash in 1993 but she came back pretty well with Secret and Take a Bow. Even chart stiffs like You Must Love Me and American Pie started off huge their first weeks at radio.
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Post by felipe on Jul 1, 2017 5:53:45 GMT -5
I replied to someone who mentioned Madonna was still at the top 12 years into her career. As much as she was still able to get some top 10 hits circa 1995, I don't agree that compared to her peak in the 80s (or even she success she would later have in the 00s). I think Rihanna's current status is comparable with that she had during the Umbrella days, possibly greater. Maybe you guys can help me with this, specially since I'm not American and we're specifically taking about US success, but it's always seemed to me that after Erotica Madonna lost a lot of her relevance, and if we're talking about her 90s hits - Take a Bow, I'll Remember, You'll See, Don't Cry For me Argentina - we're talking about ballads aimed at an older audience, not targeted at the MTV crowd Madonna had so famously been a part of, as if suddenly Madonna had lost her young appeal and turned into a staple of Adult Contemporary. You are forgetting Secret, Ray of Light, and Music when you list her post-Erotica hits (i.e. those are not ballads). I forget where Beautiful Stranger peaked, but it was at least a modest hit for her. I mentioned earlier Ray of Light was a turning point for her, the moment she seemed to be cool and relevant again, the moment when she was all over MTV again and not just making AC pop ballads anymore. And also the moment her album sales doubled. |
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