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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 31, 2017 19:42:11 GMT -5
I'd argue it's both streaming and radio that are helping the Hot 100 become stagnant. Digital Song Sales is generally more dynamic with less songs sticking around for long, unless a song is put on sale on iTunes for an extended period of time.
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Post by MilesW1998 on Jul 31, 2017 19:45:49 GMT -5
^Or if your like most songs like Despacito, your stuck at #1 with barely anything close enough to really dethrone you on sales at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 19:48:04 GMT -5
What's going on? New rules (not from Dua Lipa)?
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Post by renfield75 on Jul 31, 2017 19:54:33 GMT -5
Yes, UK chart is so brilliant that the #1 song in both sales and streaming is not #1 on the chart. Brilliant. Is there a link to an article on this? I'd like to read more but Google isn't bringing up anything other than just the chart itself. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 31, 2017 20:53:54 GMT -5
I'd argue it's both streaming and radio that are helping the Hot 100 become stagnant. Digital Song Sales is generally more dynamic with less songs sticking around for long, unless a song is put on sale on iTunes for an extended period of time. Well, that's obviously because once people have bought a song, there is no re-buying. Radio and streaming reflect sustained interest. While I am saddened by seeing how much people like to hear the same songs over and over, I don't know why we should change the charts just because we don't like it. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 31, 2017 20:56:29 GMT -5
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Post by crazyb on Jul 31, 2017 21:00:03 GMT -5
Radio just won't let go of Shape of you and That's what I like
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Post by 85la on Jul 31, 2017 21:03:45 GMT -5
This new UK method is along the same lines though of what the Hot 100 already does - the 20 and 52 week rules. In a way the Hot 100 is the more extreme version, whereas with the UK they just reduce the ratio of one metric after a certain time, the Hot 100 removes the song entirely.
I would say though that the Hot 100 is overall more accurate, as it's my understanding the the UK chart still doesn't include airplay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 21:05:12 GMT -5
Omg I actually read that article thinking it was the Hot 100. And I was like freaking out I was so happy, I thought Wild Thoughts was #1 there. RIP me |
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Post by Leo ✔ on Jul 31, 2017 21:06:09 GMT -5
Omg I actually read that article thinking it was the Hot 100. And I was like freaking out I was so happy, I thought Wild Thoughts was #1 there. RIP me I thought the same. Then I read again and cried a lot |
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Post by fearlessarrow on Jul 31, 2017 21:12:15 GMT -5
Omg I actually read that article thinking it was the Hot 100. And I was like freaking out I was so happy, I thought Wild Thoughts was #1 there. RIP me I thought the same. Then I read again and cried a lot  |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 31, 2017 22:07:56 GMT -5
^Sorry if you guys were confused. What's most unfair about these Official Chart Singles Top 100 new rules is that the streaming rule change can happen as early as 10 weeks charted if the song didn't increase its weekly combined sales (they use that instead of weekly points) for 3 straight weeks. It seems an awfully short time to penalize songs on the chart. That said if their objective is to, hopefully, have more chart movement and give a chance to new artists, this rule definitely contributes to that.
While the Hot 100 recurrent rules might seem unfair, the 20 week, top 50 one has been around for as long as I can remember and I don't think too many people have complained about it, except when a particular song they like drops out due to its application. Having it definitely promotes what the OC Singles chart is trying to do, which is allow more new songs and artists to chart. Given that the latter has no similar rule, what that chart has gotten is a record-setting Mr. Brightside charting for 176 weeks on that chart.
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Post by kml567 on Jul 31, 2017 22:48:17 GMT -5
I think the new streaming rules would work well on BB Hot 100 and UK charts if it's applied towards songs that are 20 weeks old. 300:1 stream/sales ratio (instead of 150:1 ratio) makes sense for songs that are way past its peak.
Twenty weeks has always been the Billboard standard for "recurrent" and I think reduced streaming ratio would be fine if it's past that 20-week mark with 3 consecutive weeks of decline. Same for airplay. If a song is 20+ weeks old in airplay (and declining), its chart points from airplay should be reduced also.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 31, 2017 22:52:50 GMT -5
I don't know why people blame Billboard for the listening habits of people who consume music. Don't shoot the messenger. Blame yourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 23:18:04 GMT -5
UK chart is as stale as it has ever been, it used to be the fastest moving countdown, now it is a total wreck an d works against music.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 23:39:04 GMT -5
This rule in the U.K. Chart is laughable and I can only hope this is never going to happen here
And why the Billboard twitter is so active and there is nothing about this week chart?
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Post by Harx on Aug 1, 2017 0:51:11 GMT -5
I just woke up the next day. The article still isn't out huh  .......................... |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Aug 1, 2017 5:09:51 GMT -5
Uh... was there a holiday I missed? Are they postponing the whole chart by a day again?
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Post by NeRD on Aug 1, 2017 7:08:37 GMT -5
I don't know why people blame Billboard for the listening habits of people who consume music. Don't shoot the messenger. Blame yourselves. This is so true lol |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Aug 1, 2017 7:12:07 GMT -5
I just woke up the next day. The article still isn't out huh .......................... Ugh I hope it's not a rule change delaying things... like, whether that rule is to extend or to end Despacito's run, I want nothing to do with it |
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 1, 2017 7:27:29 GMT -5
It's not the rules, it's probably just people being on vacation and the mess with Meek Mill going on, they are probably still counting his streams as we speak
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Post by NeRD on Aug 1, 2017 7:33:07 GMT -5
From an insider:
"Meek Mill will be #1. Prepare for the MELTDOWNS."
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Post by Enigma. on Aug 1, 2017 7:37:42 GMT -5
On album chart perhaps
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Aug 1, 2017 7:41:51 GMT -5
From an insider: "Meek Mill will be #1. Prepare for the MELTDOWNS." if Meek is number one on the Hot 100, I may die. |
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Post by NeRD on Aug 1, 2017 7:48:35 GMT -5
How the HELL would it be for the Hot 100? lmao
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Aug 1, 2017 7:51:19 GMT -5
How the HELL would it be for the Hot 100? lmao Billboard has fucked up before lol. Like doubling sales for every coldplay song in 2014. |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Aug 1, 2017 7:52:18 GMT -5
How the HELL would it be for the Hot 100? lmao Billboard has f**ked up before lol. Like doubling sales for every coldplay song in 2014. Or putting Lana 44 spots too high with "High by the Beach" |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Aug 1, 2017 8:26:19 GMT -5
Billboard has f**ked up before lol. Like doubling sales for every coldplay song in 2014. Or putting Lana 44 spots too high with "High by the Beach" But they didn't actually publish that on the charts themselves did they? Just on the little preview article? |
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 1, 2017 8:28:46 GMT -5
Or putting Lana 44 spots too high with "High by the Beach" But they didn't actually publish that on the charts themselves did they? Just on the little preview article? Yup, they fixed it later that night, I think. Was the Coldplay thing actually double counted? I assume they would fix that |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Aug 1, 2017 8:44:19 GMT -5
^Yeah. It's here: OMI's 'Cheerleader' Back to No. 1 on Hot 100UPDATED Aug. 18, 2:15 p.m.: This story has been updated to reflect new chart data, which was reprocessed by Nielsen Music following the story's original Monday posting. As a result, Lana Del Rey's "High By the Beach" debuts at No. 51 on the Billboard Hot 100 instead of No. 7. On Digital Songs, it debuts at No. 10 instead of No. 1, with 67,000 sold, instead of 248,000, as originally reported. The information below has been updated to reflect corrected data. |
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