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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 9:38:53 GMT -5
All he's got is the tour. In my opinion you should have touring numbers, great album and single sales/streaming and consistent radio success to be Entertainer of the Year. Garth has one of those right now, where most of the other nominees hit all those points. Garth didn't even have it last year. None of the other artists seem to be trying to get votes like he is, just seems so desperate. Clearly, I'm not a fan of his, and just don't understand the appeal of him. Based on your criteria none of the nominees meet all the requirements, just saying... But there are nominees who meet more of the criteria than Garth.
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Post by Troublemaker on Oct 13, 2017 10:47:44 GMT -5
But there are nominees who meet more of the criteria than Garth. Like who?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 11:01:33 GMT -5
But there are nominees who meet more of the criteria than Garth. Like who? Luke Bryan? Majoring touring, top seller, consistent radio presence.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 13, 2017 12:19:24 GMT -5
Big touring numbers aren't the only thing that (should) make for a deserving EOTY win. Garth's music doesn't sell, and his songs don't do anything at radio. Genuinely hope Eric Church gets the award this year. Garth shouldn't have won it last year, either; I really don't want or need to see a round two.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 12:26:12 GMT -5
Big touring numbers aren't the only thing that (should) make for a deserving EOTY win. Garth's music doesn't sell, and his songs don't do anything at radio. Genuinely hope Eric Church gets the award this year. Garth shouldn't have won it last year, either; I really don't want or need to see a round two. To be fair, Garth Brooks songs don't sell since they aren't on iTunes so they can't sell. (I actually agree with what you are saying I'm just being a Devils advocate)
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 13, 2017 12:29:28 GMT -5
Big touring numbers aren't the only thing that (should) make for a deserving EOTY win. Garth's music doesn't sell, and his songs don't do anything at radio. Genuinely hope Eric Church gets the award this year. Garth shouldn't have won it last year, either; I really don't want or need to see a round two. To be fair, Garth Brooks songs don't sell since they aren't on iTunes so they can't sell. (I actually agree with what you are saying I'm just being a Devils advocate) Lol, I know; I meant as in he doesn't push albums well anymore. Not that albums generally sell well nowadays anyways, but Gunslinger has sold 121,900 copies to date. Even Shania's new record opened its first week with 134k.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 12:41:03 GMT -5
To be fair, Garth Brooks songs don't sell since they aren't on iTunes so they can't sell. (I actually agree with what you are saying I'm just being a Devils advocate) Lol, I know; I meant as in he doesn't push albums well anymore. Not that albums generally sell well nowadays anyways, but Gunslinger has sold 121,900 copies to date. Even Shania's new record opened its first week with 134k. Right. I find it intresting as it seems like none of the 5 nominees really hit all the marks this year. Chris Stapleton has amazing sales, but his radio prescence is mediocre at best. Garth Brooks doesn't sell and radio is mediocre at best. His tour numbers are tremendous though. But I don't know if that's enough to carry him. Eric Church had an ok radio year. His sales and tour numbers are great. So he seems to be a frontrunner but I fear that he kind of Fits in the middle of every category. Garth has touring, Keith/Luke have radio, and Chris Stapleton has sales. Eric Church doesn't Top any of the categories so I don't know if he can get it since he doesn't stand out in any particular way. Luke Bryan had a great radio presence but neither "Fast" and especially not "Light It Up" have been big hits. He did have good touring numbers. But like Eric Church and Keith Urban he didn't release any new music this year during the eligibility period which could hurt all 3 of them. Keith Urban had two big hits, but I don't recall him touring and his album era was kind of winding down. Did Keith Urban even tour this year? Unlike last year where we had what we thought was a two person race in Carrie Underwood and Luke Bryan. This year nome of the 5 stand out enough to really be a great Entertainer of the Year. I think I'm going to say Eric Church gets Entertainer of the Year. But I would not be shocked if any one of them get it. I think Keith Urban might not, but that's all I feel comfortable with saying.
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Post by jhomes87 on Oct 13, 2017 14:13:46 GMT -5
Lol, I know; I meant as in he doesn't push albums well anymore. Not that albums generally sell well nowadays anyways, but Gunslinger has sold 121,900 copies to date. Even Shania's new record opened its first week with 134k. This is rather misleading. As a standalone album, yes, Gunslinger has only sold 121,900...however, it was included in The Ultimate Collection released on November 11, 2016, a 10-disc album that opened with 134k sold and was up to 550k sold as of May. On top of that, Gunslinger was also packaged together with Christmas Together, Garth's holiday album with Trisha Yearwood (the two albums were released as a set on November 18). I don't have sales figures for that release but it's most likely over 100k total. So actually the number of sales for Gunslinger is probably at least somewhere in the 750-800k range. Some people bought only that album, but others bought it together with Christmas Together, and most bought it as part of The Ultimate Collection. So I think Garth is still pretty good at selling physical albums. Like all other artists, he doesn't sell as much as he used to, but he's still basically the best album seller aside from maybe Sam Hunt, Chris Stapleton, and Luke Bryan. Sam has only released one album in his career though, and Stapleton only two, so that's a pretty small sample size for both of them and therefore it's hard to compare them to Garth's discography. Chris Stapleton has amazing sales, but his radio prescence is mediocre at best. Garth Brooks doesn't sell and radio is mediocre at best. His tour numbers are tremendous though. But I don't know if that's enough to carry him. Eric Church had an ok radio year. His sales and tour numbers are great. So he seems to be a frontrunner but I fear that he kind of Fits in the middle of every category. Garth has touring, Keith/Luke have radio, and Chris Stapleton has sales. Eric Church doesn't Top any of the categories so I don't know if he can get it since he doesn't stand out in any particular way. Luke Bryan had a great radio presence but neither "Fast" and especially not "Light It Up" have been big hits. He did have good touring numbers. But like Eric Church and Keith Urban he didn't release any new music this year during the eligibility period which could hurt all 3 of them. Keith Urban had two big hits, but I don't recall him touring and his album era was kind of winding down. Did Keith Urban even tour this year? Unlike last year where we had what we thought was a two person race in Carrie Underwood and Luke Bryan. This year nome of the 5 stand out enough to really be a great Entertainer of the Year. I think I'm going to say Eric Church gets Entertainer of the Year. But I would not be shocked if any one of them get it. I think Keith Urban might not, but that's all I feel comfortable with saying. I'm kind of surprised that no one has pointed this out, but Keith Urban's Ripcord was actually a pretty huge seller. In fact, it racked up some weeks at #1 on the country albums chart earlier this summer, more than a year after it was released. Ripcord had extremely impressive longevity thanks to "Blue Ain't Your Color" and "The Fighter". It's sold nearly as many copies in 2017 alone as Stapleton's Traveller has, and it easily outsold FGL's Dig Your Roots, Eric's Mr. Misunderstood, Miranda's The Weight Of These Wings, Kenny's Cosmic Hallelujah, Blake's If I'm Honest, Thomas' Tangled Up, and Jason's They Don't Know. Really, the only somewhat recent albums that outsold Ripcord are the two Stapleton albums, Sam Hunt's Montevallo, and Luke's Kill The Lights. The crazy thing is, Ripcord was still in the top 10 on the country album sales chart as recently as last month. Pretty much the only reason it was finally knocked out of the top 10 is because of all the new releases lately. So I actually think Keith has a decent chance. He had a hugely successful era at radio, he had one of the best-selling albums of both 2016 and 2017, and he toured extensively from June through December 2016, most of which is in the CMA eligibility period. The only thing that hurts him is that he hasn't won Male Vocalist or Entertainer in a long time, so I'm not sure if CMA voters will support him enough. Anyway, here's a pretty interesting list I compiled for reference...it includes most of the big name artists and the release dates and sales figures for their most recent studio albums. - Dierks Bentley, Black - May 27, 2016 (275k)
- Keith Urban, Ripcord - May 6, 2016 (660k)
- Luke Bryan, Kill The Lights - August 7, 2015 (1.18m)
- Eric Church, Mr. Misunderstood - November 4, 2015 (560k)
- Sam Hunt, Montevallo - October 27, 2014 (1.3m+)
- Chris Stapleton, Traveller - May 5, 2015 (2.08m)
- Chris Stapleton, From A Room Vol. 1 - May 5, 2017 (525k)
- Kenny Chesney, Cosmic Hallelujah - October 28, 2016 (231k)
- Miranda Lambert, The Weight Of These Wings - November 18, 2016 (390k)
- Blake Shelton, If I'm Honest - May 20, 2016 (622k)
- Zac Brown Band, Welcome Home - May 12, 2017 (263k)
- Thomas Rhett, Tangled Up - September 25, 2015 (599k)
- Florida Georgia Line, Dig Your Roots - August 26, 2016 (423k)
- Jason Aldean, They Don't Know - September 9, 2016 (409k)
It's especially interesting to me how Ripcord has easily outsold newer albums by Kenny Chesney, Miranda Lambert, Blake Shelton, Zac Brown Band, Florida Georgia Line, and Jason Aldean.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 14:18:41 GMT -5
This is rather misleading. As a standalone album, yes, Gunslinger has only sold 121,900...however, it was included in The Ultimate Collection released on November 11, 2016, a 10-disc album that opened with 134k sold and was up to 550k sold as of May. On top of that, Gunslinger was also packaged together with Christmas Together, Garth's holiday album with Trisha Yearwood (the two albums were released as a set on November 18). I don't have sales figures for that release but it's most likely over 100k total. So actually the number of sales for Gunslinger is probably at least somewhere in the 750-800k range. Some people bought only that album, but others bought it together with Christmas Together, and most bought it as part of The Ultimate Collection. So I think Garth is still pretty good at selling physical albums. Like all other artists, he doesn't sell as much as he used to, but he's still basically the best album seller aside from maybe Sam Hunt, Chris Stapleton, and Luke Bryan. Sam has only released one album in his career though, and Stapleton only two, so that's a pretty small sample size for both of them and therefore it's hard to compare them to Garth's discography. Chris Stapleton has amazing sales, but his radio prescence is mediocre at best. Garth Brooks doesn't sell and radio is mediocre at best. His tour numbers are tremendous though. But I don't know if that's enough to carry him. Eric Church had an ok radio year. His sales and tour numbers are great. So he seems to be a frontrunner but I fear that he kind of Fits in the middle of every category. Garth has touring, Keith/Luke have radio, and Chris Stapleton has sales. Eric Church doesn't Top any of the categories so I don't know if he can get it since he doesn't stand out in any particular way. Luke Bryan had a great radio presence but neither "Fast" and especially not "Light It Up" have been big hits. He did have good touring numbers. But like Eric Church and Keith Urban he didn't release any new music this year during the eligibility period which could hurt all 3 of them. Keith Urban had two big hits, but I don't recall him touring and his album era was kind of winding down. Did Keith Urban even tour this year? Unlike last year where we had what we thought was a two person race in Carrie Underwood and Luke Bryan. This year nome of the 5 stand out enough to really be a great Entertainer of the Year. I think I'm going to say Eric Church gets Entertainer of the Year. But I would not be shocked if any one of them get it. I think Keith Urban might not, but that's all I feel comfortable with saying. I'm kind of surprised that no one has pointed this out, but Keith Urban's Ripcord was actually a pretty huge seller. In fact, it racked up some weeks at #1 on the country albums chart earlier this summer, more than a year after it was released. Ripcord had extremely impressive longevity thanks to "Blue Ain't Your Color" and "The Fighter". It's sold nearly as many copies in 2017 alone as Stapleton's Traveller has, and it easily outsold FGL's Dig Your Roots, Eric's Mr. Misunderstood, Miranda's The Weight Of These Wings, Kenny's Cosmic Hallelujah, Blake's If I'm Honest, Thomas' Tangled Up, and Jason's They Don't Know. Really, the only somewhat recent albums that outsold Ripcord are the two Stapleton albums, Sam Hunt's Montevallo, and Luke's Kill The Lights. The crazy thing is, Ripcord was still in the top 10 on the country album sales chart as recently as last month. Pretty much the only reason it was finally knocked out of the top 10 is because of all the new releases lately. So I actually think Keith has a decent chance. He had a hugely successful era at radio, he had one of the best-selling albums of both 2016 and 2017, and he toured extensively from June through December 2016, most of which is in the CMA eligibility period. The only thing that hurts him is that he hasn't won Male Vocalist or Entertainer in a long time, so I'm not sure if CMA voters will support him enough. Anyway, here's a pretty interesting list I compiled for reference...it includes most of the big name artists and the release dates and sales figures for their most recent studio albums. - Dierks Bentley, Black - May 27, 2016 (275k)
- Keith Urban, Ripcord - May 6, 2016 (660k)
- Luke Bryan, Kill The Lights - August 7, 2015 (1.18m)
- Eric Church, Mr. Misunderstood - November 4, 2015 (560k)
- Sam Hunt, Montevallo - October 27, 2014 (1.3m+)
- Chris Stapleton, Traveller - May 5, 2015 (2.08m)
- Chris Stapleton, From A Room Vol. 1 - May 5, 2017 (525k)
- Kenny Chesney, Cosmic Hallelujah - October 28, 2016 (231k)
- Miranda Lambert, The Weight Of These Wings - November 18, 2016 (390k)
- Blake Shelton, If I'm Honest - May 20, 2016 (622k)
- Zac Brown Band, Welcome Home - May 12, 2017 (263k)
- Thomas Rhett, Tangled Up - September 25, 2015 (599k)
- Florida Georgia Line, Dig Your Roots - August 26, 2016 (423k)
- Jason Aldean, They Don't Know - September 9, 2016 (409k)
It's especially interesting to me how Ripcord has easily outsold newer albums by Kenny Chesney, Miranda Lambert, Blake Shelton, Zac Brown Band, Florida Georgia Line, and Jason Aldean. I forgot about how Ripcord sold this summer (mainly as I want to erase the Ripcord era out of my mind). So maybe Keith Urban can win, it's just seems like the award circuit has kind of pushed Keith Urban aside a bit since he hasn't won an award in a long time especially compared to the other 3 nominees in Chris Stapleton, Garth Brooks and Luke Bryan so that's why I'm hesitant. The only one who has also been kind of put aside is Eric Church so that's why both are the two I'm most hesitant with.
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Post by jhomes87 on Oct 13, 2017 15:29:31 GMT -5
I forgot about how Ripcord sold this summer (mainly as I want to erase the Ripcord era out of my mind). So maybe Keith Urban can win, it's just seems like the award circuit has kind of pushed Keith Urban aside a bit since he hasn't won an award in a long time especially compared to the other 3 nominees in Chris Stapleton, Garth Brooks and Luke Bryan so that's why I'm hesitant. The only one who has also been kind of put aside is Eric Church so that's why both are the two I'm most hesitant with. I agree with you on this. I do think Keith has a chance to win, and I certainly think you can make a very compelling case for him (based on sales, touring, and radio), but one thing I've learned from these award shows is that, once an artist stops winning, he/she/they usually has a hard time winning again in the future. Keith has been one of the most nominated artists at the CMAs and ACMs in recent years, but he can never seem to win. Eric is somewhat similar in that he's picked up quite a few nominations (basically going back to 2012), but he hasn't won Male Vocalist or Entertainer yet so that might actually work in his favor because sometimes the award shows like to award an artist who has pretty good numbers but hasn't yet won in that particular category. Eric has won Album of the Year at the CMAs (he won in 2012 for Chief and 2016 for Mr. Misunderstood) so I have to think he'll eventually win Male Vocalist and/or Entertainer one of these years. I definitely won't rule out Garth, Luke, or Chris either. As I said in my predictions post, I think Garth and Eric are actually most likely, but I really wouldn't be shocked by any of the nominees winning it. I just really hope it isn't Luke, because he's won EOTY a couple times recently, and right now he just seems to be coasting. He's still really successful, but his commercial peak was definitely a few years back already, so personally I'd rather see EOTY go to Keith, Eric, or Chris.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 15:50:49 GMT -5
I forgot about how Ripcord sold this summer (mainly as I want to erase the Ripcord era out of my mind). So maybe Keith Urban can win, it's just seems like the award circuit has kind of pushed Keith Urban aside a bit since he hasn't won an award in a long time especially compared to the other 3 nominees in Chris Stapleton, Garth Brooks and Luke Bryan so that's why I'm hesitant. The only one who has also been kind of put aside is Eric Church so that's why both are the two I'm most hesitant with. I agree with you on this. I do think Keith has a chance to win, and I certainly think you can make a very compelling case for him (based on sales, touring, and radio), but one thing I've learned from these award shows is that, once an artist stops winning, he/she/they usually has a hard time winning again in the future. Keith has been one of the most nominated artists at the CMAs and ACMs in recent years, but he can never seem to win. Eric is somewhat similar in that he's picked up quite a few nominations (basically going back to 2012), but he hasn't won Male Vocalist or Entertainer yet so that might actually work in his favor because sometimes the award shows like to award an artist who has pretty good numbers but hasn't yet won in that particular category. Eric has won Album of the Year at the CMAs (he won in 2012 for Chief and 2016 for Mr. Misunderstood) so I have to think he'll eventually win Male Vocalist and/or Entertainer one of these years. I definitely won't rule out Garth, Luke, or Chris either. As I said in my predictions post, I think Garth and Eric are actually most likely, but I really wouldn't be shocked by any of the nominees winning it. I just really hope it isn't Luke, because he's won EOTY a couple times recently, and right now he just seems to be coasting. He's still really successful, but his commercial peak was definitely a few years back already, so personally I'd rather see EOTY go to Keith, Eric, or Chris. I'm just fascinated with this year as it seems like the majority of categories have at least some uncertainty. Entertainer can go to any of them, and I feel that way about Male Vocalist as well. Anyways on that note here are my predictions Entertainer Who I Want: Eric Church Who will it be: ? Male Who I Want: Chris Stapleton Who will: Chris Stapleton I feel confident Chris Stapleton will win, but I do have some uncertainty that Thomas Rhett will win. Female Who I want: Maren Morris Who will it be: Miranda Lambert I think Miranda Lambert will get it, but I hope that Maren Morris can sneak in a win. Duo Who I want: Brothers Osborne Who will it be: Brothers Osborne If Brothers Osborne can win when "21 Summer" couldn't even peak in the Top 20. I think they can easily win it. Florida Georgia Line is a contender still to win so there's still some uncertainty Group Who I want: Lady Antebellum Who will win: Little Big Town or Lady Antebellum I've been going back and forth as I know that Little Big Town had a huge hit in "Better Man" but I can't get over the fact that they have had not just 1 but 2 flops in a row this year. Lady Antebellum "You Look Good" was a lesser hit than Little Big Town "Better Man", but it seems like there is more intrest in Lady Antebellum than Little Big Town so I think that gives Lady Antebellum the edgem I could see Old Dominion sneaking in a win as well. Album Should: Weight of These Wings Will: From A Room I think the CMAS will award Chris Stapleton. This is a gut feeling I have. I literally am throwing a dart when it comes to this. The rest of these categories are the categories I really don't care for. Sorry😐 Single Body LIKE A Backroad will win Song Better Man or Tin Man Video It Ain't My Fault Musical Event Craving You, I think?
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Post by seak05 on Oct 13, 2017 20:19:19 GMT -5
Ripcord really picked up this year, with Blue ain't your color, and then the fighter, its opening sales were average. (it's actually sold only about 40k more than IIH though, and 100k more than Church's)
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 18, 2017 10:06:09 GMT -5
Give me something new, Carrie.
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Post by CoJoFan on Oct 18, 2017 10:07:35 GMT -5
Alan Jackson is performing?? He must either be getting a milestone or achievement award. He could also be doing a tribute to Glen Campbell or actually Don Williams since he did do his song “It Must Be Love”.
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Post by Troublemaker on Oct 18, 2017 10:11:35 GMT -5
Not that I'm complaining but since Carrie and Miranda rose to prominence, has there ever been a year either didn't perform?
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Oct 18, 2017 10:28:01 GMT -5
It will be very interesting to see whether Miranda will performe Tin Man or not. And if she will performe it what kind of performance will it be - she already did the stripped down kind on ACMs so I don't know how many options she still have for a ballad song like Tin Man is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 10:33:57 GMT -5
It will be very interesting to see whether Miranda will performe Tin Man or not. And if she will performe it what kind of performance will it be - she already did the stripped down kind on ACMs so I don't know how many options she still have for a ballad song like Tin Man is. With "Tin Man" struggling as bad as it is, maybe they should just perform a new song from the album *cough* "Highway Vagabond" *cough*, as that song has seemed to have the most amount of buzz out of all the non singles. If they do perform "Tin Man" I wouldn't be shocked but I do hope Miranda Lambert doesn't do a carbon copy of what she did at the ACM Awards and instead maybe have a little more instrumentation.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 18, 2017 11:16:44 GMT -5
Not that I'm complaining but since Carrie and Miranda rose to prominence, has there ever been a year either didn't perform? Nope.
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Post by stanches2318 on Oct 18, 2017 11:54:10 GMT -5
Nothing against Alan, but I don’t like performers performing on the awards who did nothing this yr. I also think that honoring past artists should be at a concert not on an award show that supposed to honor the singers of 2017 unless it’s an anniversary celebration like last year.
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Post by someguy on Oct 18, 2017 17:01:07 GMT -5
Alan's getting inducted into the Hall of Fame this year, so I think it's 100% appropriate that he's singing.
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Post by vann on Oct 18, 2017 21:04:28 GMT -5
I would like to have Lady A also performing as we always have LBT.
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Post by Darkest Hour on Oct 19, 2017 0:48:09 GMT -5
Hope to see ZBB to perform because they are not performing on award shows lately. Wouldn't mind to have Jason Isbell performing (hopefully) If We Were Vampires and becoming an overnight sensation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 9:09:52 GMT -5
I know that some people hate pop performers at a country music award show, but Niall Horan is so talented that I'm excited to see him perform.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 9:18:38 GMT -5
So excited that Reba is performing! Less excited that it's with Kelsea. :|
Also, I really don't have a problem with Niall Horan performing, because he seems more like the singer-songwriter type that can kind of back right into country music and still fit. It's not like when the ACMs had Katy Perry perform (for Dolly no less) when she doesn't even come close to anything country.
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Oct 24, 2017 10:31:13 GMT -5
So excited that Reba is performing! Less excited that it's with Kelsea. I second that.
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Post by 14887fan on Oct 24, 2017 11:05:25 GMT -5
lol I really can't deal with people still being pressed by artists of other genres performing collaboratively at the CMAs. Such an obnoxious type of elitism and exclusivity.
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Post by brinkeronline on Oct 24, 2017 12:51:18 GMT -5
lol I really can't deal with people still being pressed by artists of other genres performing collaboratively at the CMAs. Such an obnoxious type of elitism and exclusivity. Same. The AWARDS are for Country music, not the show. The show is just a vehicle for ad money. If the CMA started handing out Country Awards to non-country artists for non-country records or if more than the typical small handful of performances had some crossover, then it would be a problem.
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