Taylor Swift - "Look What You Made Me Do"

[born]

The AC just can't get enough! The biggest AC song in the history of US radio! I love my kween!

[Normi]

at this update, I can't

[beachboi69]

Hahaha

The collapse that most expected to happen is real. I wonder if we will get a -1,000 today. This is so messy but kinda funny.

[beachboi69]

Oct 19, 2017 13:34:22 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Oct 19, 2017 10:40:13 GMT -5 beachboi69 said:

The collapse is intense but expected. This is how to ruin your reputation.

Wow, such overdramatism is a bit too much.

A flop single nowadays is not what it used to be, it's quite difficult destroy a career with a flop. I know not everybody recovers from a flop like Rihanna, but it's rare that your career goes really downhill unless you are able to not have a hit from the whole album and then failing with the first single of your next one (Kelly Clarkson recovered totally with My life would suck without you).

But going back to reality, radio doesn't meassure everything, and this song was a hit no matter what. It was number one on the hot 100 for three weeks and it's still in the top 10.
She only needs a good follow up to keep on track for the release of the album, that's all. I know Katy crashing a burning by surprise (even when there were hints that this era wouldn't be as successful) make people believe that could happen to anyone, but Taylor always was an album seller, she didn't need to rely so much on the singles in the past.
Of course if she sells three millions there'll be people claiming the album was a flop, but 99% in the industry would love a flop like that, and all long careers have ups and downs (and frankly Taylor has a really easy route to sell millions with a the following album, she only needs to come back to country, with a couple of pop friendly singles)

Over reacting on my part I apologise but the numbers speak easy for themselves so don't come for me.

[jjose712]

Oct 21, 2017 5:45:52 GMT -5 beachboi69 said:

Oct 19, 2017 13:34:22 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Wow, such overdramatism is a bit too much.

A flop single nowadays is not what it used to be, it's quite difficult destroy a career with a flop. I know not everybody recovers from a flop like Rihanna, but it's rare that your career goes really downhill unless you are able to not have a hit from the whole album and then failing with the first single of your next one (Kelly Clarkson recovered totally with My life would suck without you).

But going back to reality, radio doesn't meassure everything, and this song was a hit no matter what. It was number one on the hot 100 for three weeks and it's still in the top 10.
She only needs a good follow up to keep on track for the release of the album, that's all. I know Katy crashing a burning by surprise (even when there were hints that this era wouldn't be as successful) make people believe that could happen to anyone, but Taylor always was an album seller, she didn't need to rely so much on the singles in the past.
Of course if she sells three millions there'll be people claiming the album was a flop, but 99% in the industry would love a flop like that, and all long careers have ups and downs (and frankly Taylor has a really easy route to sell millions with a the following album, she only needs to come back to country, with a couple of pop friendly singles)

Over reacting on my part I apologise but the numbers speak easy for themselves so don't come for me.

What numbers?
Sorry but it's a little tiresome people are pretending this is a flop that'll damage album sales. This was a hot 100 number one for three weeks, and even without payola (calling it whatever you want) this was a top 5 on pop.
Could it be bigger? of course it could, but pretending that this not being the supposed smash it should be a Taylor Swift leading singer would damage her "reputation" is ridiculous.
If she is unable to find a good follow up that could cause an impact on the album sales.

I clearly remember last era, with Shake it off doing perfectly fine that the prediction for the first week album sales were around 600k and then the album sold more than a million.
And even an album that sells less than expected is not the end of the world. She has a long career, she is an established artist so it's pretty normal than some albums are going to sell less than others

[Deleted]

Man this is dropping so hard, which would normally make me sad to see, but for some reason I honestly find it hilarious af

[mediabase]

Damn, she topped -900! Makes Die Young look like a moderate fall. Lol. Also, it is unfair to compare the two. Die Young started falling due to a national tragedy. It had great call out and was liked a lot by listeners. Something you can't say about Taylor's song.

[Au$tin]

I love this song and still stan Taylor, but watching this descend at meteoric levels is one of the most exciting chart events of the year. I laugh and get giddy every day I see this drop like a rock.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Oct 21, 2017 8:08:26 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Oct 21, 2017 5:45:52 GMT -5 beachboi69 said:

Over reacting on my part I apologise but the numbers speak easy for themselves so don't come for me.

What numbers?
Sorry but it's a little tiresome people are pretending this is a flop that'll damage album sales. This was a hot 100 number one for three weeks, and even without payola (calling it whatever you want) this was a top 5 on pop.
Could it be bigger? of course it could, but pretending that this not being the supposed smash it should be a Taylor Swift leading singer would damage her "reputation" is ridiculous.
If she is unable to find a good follow up that could cause an impact on the album sales.

I clearly remember last era, with Shake it off doing perfectly fine that the prediction for the first week album sales were around 600k and then the album sold more than a million.
And even an album that sells less than expected is not the end of the world. She has a long career, she is an established artist so it's pretty normal than some albums are going to sell less than others

The over dramatics work both ways. As dramatic as it is to say this song's performance will ruin her reputation/era/career, so is your overdefensiveness of it. If we took away the song and artist and looked purely at only the numbers, there's definitely a story to tell and despite the accomplishments made, the story isn't all good. The bottom fell out of this song's chart performance and no matter how you look at it, that's bad. Plus, the fact you're referring to her "long career" as defense right now is indication enough that you agree the era is showing signs of being in trouble.

[deepston]

^ I just think we are making such a big deal about this... The album didn't even drop and this era doesn't have a 2nd single just yet.
Feel free to judge this era when the 2nd single drops and when we get 1st week album sales. Until then I think the risk of this going down the road is very minimal.
Every promo single spent a considerable amount of time at #1 on iTunes (and Gorgeous is still there). Even if this doesn't top the other albums quality-wise, the hype and interest is still there, she's fine.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Oct 21, 2017 13:13:58 GMT -5 deepston said:

^ I just think we are making such a big deal about this... The album didn't even drop and this era doesn't have a 2nd single just yet.
Feel free to judge this era when the 2nd single drops and when we get 1st week album sales. Until then I think the risk of this going down the road is very minimal.
Every promo single spent a considerable amount of time at #1 on iTunes (and Gorgeous is still there). Even if this doesn't top the other albums quality-wise, the hype and interest is still there, she's fine.

But why is that an appropriate time and now isn't? A lot can happen after the first week of an album's release. Really, all of this ties together. What happens before an album release leads to the release week. If there's no confidence beforehand, it will show. Do I think it's all doom and gloom? Not really. It could still turn around but we also said that about Witness too. The album will still probably have the highest first week sales of the year and maybe end up as the biggest selling album of the year, but I also see this era not being particularly long so the first week will be important for it.

[SPRΞΞ]

Oct 21, 2017 13:13:58 GMT -5 deepston said:

this era doesn't have a 2nd single just yet.

but RFI is being sent to Pop radio.

[deepston]

Oct 21, 2017 13:26:59 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Oct 21, 2017 13:13:58 GMT -5 deepston said:

^ I just think we are making such a big deal about this... The album didn't even drop and this era doesn't have a 2nd single just yet.
Feel free to judge this era when the 2nd single drops and when we get 1st week album sales. Until then I think the risk of this going down the road is very minimal.
Every promo single spent a considerable amount of time at #1 on iTunes (and Gorgeous is still there). Even if this doesn't top the other albums quality-wise, the hype and interest is still there, she's fine.

But why is that an appropriate time and now isn't? A lot can happen after the first week of an album's release. Really, all of this ties together. What happens before an album release leads to the release week. If there's no confidence beforehand, it will show. Do I think it's all doom and gloom? Not really. It could still turn around but we also said that about Witness too. The album will still probably have the highest first week sales of the year and maybe end up as the biggest selling album of the year, but I also see this era not being particularly long so the first week will be important for it.

We are 3 weeks away from the album release, all the songs she has put went #1 on iTunes, the lead single reached #1 on Hot 100 (even though it's falling like a rock) and a promo went to the top 5. I can see where you're coming from and it's totally legit that you think this might be in trouble because this era seems like a mess right now but Witness is a very different scenario. 
If I think this will be smaller than 1989? Hell yes. Is she in trouble for that? Not really. As you said the album will sell a lot because of her big fanbase and we can't forget she got a lot of new fans with the last era. Even if this album doesn't live to our expectation she's not in the same bag as Katy at all.
Whatever 3 weeks and 4/5 of the album is a mystery, I say we should wait before jumping into rushed conclusions.

[jjose712]

Oct 21, 2017 13:03:34 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Oct 21, 2017 8:08:26 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

What numbers?
Sorry but it's a little tiresome people are pretending this is a flop that'll damage album sales. This was a hot 100 number one for three weeks, and even without payola (calling it whatever you want) this was a top 5 on pop.
Could it be bigger? of course it could, but pretending that this not being the supposed smash it should be a Taylor Swift leading singer would damage her "reputation" is ridiculous.
If she is unable to find a good follow up that could cause an impact on the album sales.

I clearly remember last era, with Shake it off doing perfectly fine that the prediction for the first week album sales were around 600k and then the album sold more than a million.
And even an album that sells less than expected is not the end of the world. She has a long career, she is an established artist so it's pretty normal than some albums are going to sell less than others

The over dramatics work both ways. As dramatic as it is to say this song's performance will ruin her reputation/era/career, so is your overdefensiveness of it. If we took away the song and artist and looked purely at only the numbers, there's definitely a story to tell and despite the accomplishments made, the story isn't all good. The bottom fell out of this song's chart performance and no matter how you look at it, that's bad. Plus, the fact you're referring to her "long career" as defense right now is indication enough that you agree the era is showing signs of being in trouble.

That's a totally false equivalence. It's pretty obvious that the release of 1989 came at a better moment, but it's not the first time one of her first singles "underperform". Mine didn't even went top 10 on pop, people were expecting a way better performance, but it didn't hurt album sales.
When i say that she has a long career and every long career has ups and downs, it's not because i think this album will flop (i have no idea if it'll flop or not) it's because eventually is going to happen. And in her case it's not even necesary a real flop for people claiming it, because all her albums sold above 4 millions. A 2 million seller it will be considered a faliure, even if 95% of artist will sign for that kind of sales.

Claiming that a song that went number one is a clear sign of her declining career is absurd. If her career is in decline it will be the performance of the following singles and the album sales what will show that

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Agree to disagree is fine. I don't know if I'd say her career is in decline but she did have a pretty high and rather extended peak (every album she put out was bigger than the one before, up to 1989). So if this doesn't do as well as 1989, by definition, she's past her peak.

Would I say she's in a similar situation to Katy Perry? Yeah, I would. But 1989 was a much much more successful era than Prism was. So Katy didn't have as high to fall from (though Teenage Dream was her peak anyway) but her drop was still uber surprising as is the performance of this single. The fact the first single from Taylor's highly anticipated new album is falling the way it is right now across the board - that's a huge drop from how everything from 1989 performed. Even though this did hit #1 and did everything it set out to do, it's tanking right now. How a song is treated after its peak is still part of the overall performance package. LWYMMD had a massively impressive start, but it's finish is even more impressive.

We'll see what comes next I guess. We can talk about it until Trump is impeached but the only thing we can really do is wait until the album comes out.

[Au$tin]

Oct 21, 2017 13:28:33 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

Oct 21, 2017 13:13:58 GMT -5 deepston said:

this era doesn't have a 2nd single just yet.

but RFI is being sent to Pop radio.

Did I miss something, when did this happen/get announced?

Edit: FMQB doesn't show this. Does AllAccess list it? I can't access it right now.

[mediabase]

3pm EST and the song is already at -520! I think another -800+ update tomorrow is a sure thing.

Gorgeous is also flopping too today. No spins on Z100, KIIS.

[Au$tin]

Oct 21, 2017 14:22:56 GMT -5 mediabase said:

3pm EST and the song is already at -520! I think another -800+ update tomorrow is a sure thing.

Gorgeous is also flopping too today. No spins on Z100, KIIS.

Gorgeous is not a single (yet.) Just a pre-album promo track.

[leonagwen]

Oct 21, 2017 14:22:56 GMT -5 mediabase said:

3pm EST and the song is already at -520! I think another -800+ update tomorrow is a sure thing.

Gorgeous is also flopping too today. No spins on Z100, KIIS.

I see that you don't like Taylor.I can't wait till she sells 1 million copies of her album in the first week,what will you say then?

[Snowbeast]

Oct 21, 2017 14:52:33 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Oct 21, 2017 14:22:56 GMT -5 mediabase said:

3pm EST and the song is already at -520! I think another -800+ update tomorrow is a sure thing.

Gorgeous is also flopping too today. No spins on Z100, KIIS.

I see that you don't like Taylor.I can't wait till she sells 1 million copies of her album in the first week,what will you say then?

Can I get a witness?

[Ragin]

No danger of that happening in this day and age. It will probably do very well though.

[skizzo]

This era is a mess. That's what happens when you dont commit to a single and release multiple ones in a short span

[Glove Slap]

Oct 21, 2017 16:06:14 GMT -5 skizzo said:

This era is a mess. That's what happens when you dont commit to a single and release multiple ones in a short span

Again, this is the most disliked song on CHR, and few things say commitment like pushing a song to #1 despite that.

[Au$tin]

Oct 21, 2017 14:52:33 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Oct 21, 2017 14:22:56 GMT -5 mediabase said:

3pm EST and the song is already at -520! I think another -800+ update tomorrow is a sure thing.

Gorgeous is also flopping too today. No spins on Z100, KIIS.

I see that you don't like Taylor.I can't wait till she sells 1 million copies of her album in the first week,what will you say then?

Someone posting stats has nothing to do with someone being a fan or not.

Also, why are you acting so defensive over someone posting stats? Regardless of how the album sells, the stats that he posted are still true.

Edit:
Well, I just went through his posting history. He's been gone since 2015, then came back only to start talking about this song. But not his opinion of it, just its unprecedented surge and downfall. None of his posts have had even a hint of his stance on the song personally, just stats. That's more indicative of him loving charts and getting excited over seeing something so unprecedented happening, not hating this song.

[deepston]

Oct 21, 2017 16:34:33 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Oct 21, 2017 14:52:33 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

I see that you don't like Taylor.I can't wait till she sells 1 million copies of her album in the first week,what will you say then?

Someone posting stats has nothing to do with someone being a fan or not.

Also, why are you acting so defensive over someone posting stats? Regardless of how the album sells, the stats that he posted are still true.

Edit:
Well, I just went through his posting history. He's been gone since 2015, then came back only to start talking about this song. But not his opinion of it, just its unprecedented surge and downfall. None of his posts have had even a hint of his stance on the song personally, just stats. That's more indicative of him loving charts and getting excited over seeing something so unprecedented happening, not hating this song.

Him saying that Gorgeous is flopping on radio is either ignorance or just pure hate.

[maine]

Oct 21, 2017 14:16:36 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Oct 21, 2017 13:28:33 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

but RFI is being sent to Pop radio.

Did I miss something, when did this happen/get announced?

Edit: FMQB doesn't show this. Does AllAccess list it? I can't access it right now.

Juan Carlos said that it's under Cool New Music now.

[Au$tin]

Oct 21, 2017 17:30:25 GMT -5 deepston said:

Oct 21, 2017 16:34:33 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Someone posting stats has nothing to do with someone being a fan or not.

Also, why are you acting so defensive over someone posting stats? Regardless of how the album sells, the stats that he posted are still true.

Edit:
Well, I just went through his posting history. He's been gone since 2015, then came back only to start talking about this song. But not his opinion of it, just its unprecedented surge and downfall. None of his posts have had even a hint of his stance on the song personally, just stats. That's more indicative of him loving charts and getting excited over seeing something so unprecedented happening, not hating this song.

Him saying that Gorgeous is flopping on radio is either ignorance or just pure hate.

Or confusion since a lot of people expected it to be the second single the day it dropped.

[Az Paynter]

I wouldn't be surprised if 'Gorgeous' got some unsolicited 'buzz' spins on its first day but will otherwise do nothing on radio unless it's explicitly stated to be a radio single. Different from RFI because the label did give radio the go-ahead to play that song, while there's no indication they've extended the same invitation to radio re: 'Gorgeous'.

[MilesW1998]

Watch Big Machine just fuck it all up again, and give radio the go-ahead to play Gorgeous now. :sip2:

[mediabase]

It's 1am EST and the song is at -680 to -700 right now. I think it's late enough to say that this is gonna be tomorrow's update.