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Post by GivesYouHell on Aug 26, 2017 5:51:14 GMT -5
Whitney, Janet, TLC, Destiny's Child, Beyonce, Alicia, Rihanna, Ciara, Lauryn Hill, Missy and Nicki have all had huge hits on Pop so that's more than one hand.
How many black women are even played on Urban radio these days besides Beyonce, Rihanna and sometimes Nicki? Can't think of any.
There's definitely a problem but Beyonce is hardly affected by it, she's a pretty light skinned woman who has it easy compared to all the other black women struggling to be played on Urban let alone Pop. She had no problem being played before the 4 era when she released commercial songs so y'all have got to stop making her into this underappreciated victim when she's still one of the biggest stars out regardless.
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Post by justlurkingaround on Aug 26, 2017 6:24:19 GMT -5
I wonder, if someone had ridiculed a Beyonce video the same way those Beyonce fans are ridiculing stills from a video they haven't seen, wouldn't everyone and their mother be up in arms crying racism and whatnot?
Seriously, somehow Taylor Swift is now a neo-Nazi Trump supporter with some people because of a 20 second teaser that shows like 5 separate stills from a music video no one has seen yet.
How is that video similar to Formation? Has Beyonce copyrighted a female singer standing in the middle of dancers wearing black? The entire notion is ridiculous.
What is even more ridiculous is those articles - from reputable publications mind you such as Vice - that are painting Taylor Swift as a neo-Nazi icon, mostly on the grounds that she hasn't told everyone who she voted for in November's elections. I mean, I didn't know every celebrity needs to come out and endorse Hillary Clinton for them not to be labeled a racist anymore. This level of degradation in the discourse is borderline childish.
This song will debut at #1. That alone will make it a hit. Do I want single #2 from the album to be in the same vein? I don't think so and I think even Taylor won't want that. If anything, this song could have been the one people expect out of her to address the whole Kimye bullshit and move on from it.
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Post by XXX. on Aug 26, 2017 6:41:35 GMT -5
Whitney, Janet, TLC, Destiny's Child, Beyonce, Alicia, Rihanna, Ciara, Lauryn Hill, Missy and Nicki have all had huge hits on Pop so that's more than one hand. How many black women are even played on Urban radio these days besides Beyonce, Rihanna and sometimes Nicki? Can't think of any. There's definitely a problem but Beyonce is hardly affected by it, she's a pretty light skinned woman who has it easy compared to all the other black women struggling to be played on Urban let alone Pop. She had no problem being played before the 4 era when she released commercial songs so y'all have got to stop making her into this underappreciated victim when she's still one of the biggest stars out regardless. I'm screaming at you going back to the 90's to pull those examples out of your ass. Not Lauryn Hill and TLC. LMFAO! Throw in Spice Girls for good measure. They had Mel B! But before I stop reading after that reach into the past, let me let you know I was speaking about present day or at least the last 5 years. Try again, boo! And if you're seriously asking about Urban, maybe this week was the wrong time to hit your flimsy point home. SZA, Rihanna, Nicki & Cardi are all top 5 right now. All women of color. Again, try again! |
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Post by jughead on Aug 26, 2017 6:57:10 GMT -5
Beyonce doesn't need hits.
She's on a level above all her peers.
Now stop discussing her on this thread.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Aug 26, 2017 7:31:48 GMT -5
I don't see what the big deal is. Pop radio got bored of Beyoncé, so she turned to Urban. It happens. Beyoncé didn't turn to Urban. She IS Urban. |
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Post by GivesYouHell on Aug 26, 2017 7:34:06 GMT -5
Whitney, Janet, TLC, Destiny's Child, Beyonce, Alicia, Rihanna, Ciara, Lauryn Hill, Missy and Nicki have all had huge hits on Pop so that's more than one hand. How many black women are even played on Urban radio these days besides Beyonce, Rihanna and sometimes Nicki? Can't think of any. There's definitely a problem but Beyonce is hardly affected by it, she's a pretty light skinned woman who has it easy compared to all the other black women struggling to be played on Urban let alone Pop. She had no problem being played before the 4 era when she released commercial songs so y'all have got to stop making her into this underappreciated victim when she's still one of the biggest stars out regardless. I'm screaming at you going back to the 90's to pull those examples out of your ass. Not Lauryn Hill and TLC. LMFAO! Throw in Spice Girls for good measure. They had Mel B! But before I stop reading after that reach into the past, let me let you know I was speaking about present day or at least the last 5 years. Try again, boo! And if you're seriously asking about Urban, maybe this week was the wrong time to hit your flimsy point home. SZA, Rihanna, Nicki & Cardi are all top 5 right now. All women of color. Again, try again! You didn't specify you were talking about the last 5 years and my examples are still relevant as it proved that black women can get pop hits when their songs are commercial. You're clearly just acting dumb with the Spice Girls example, yeah listing a group with 4/5 white women makes complete sense. Every song in the Top 5 except Cardi include MEN (3 as lead, one as a feature), let's not act as if Urban radio isn't extremely sexist and this isn't a rare occurrence. Women other than Beyonce and Rihanna have been struggling to get played for years and you know it's true so let's just not. It's very rare for a black woman not named Beyonce, Rihanna or Nicki to score a solo hit on Urban. But keep acting like Beyonce, a pretty light skinned woman who meets eurocentric beauty standards is SO discriminated against despite racking up Pop hits easily from 2003-2009 LMFAO. Go outside, there are real race problems in the world right now. - Anyway, back to Taylor. Look What You Made Me Do iTunes: #1 United States #1 United Kingdom #1 Australia #1 Austria #1 Belgium #1 Brazil #1 Canada #1 Denmark #1 France #1 Germany #1 India #1 Indonesia #1 Ireland #1 Italy #1 Mexico #1 Netherlands #1 New Zealand #1 Norway #1 South Africa #1 Spain #1 Thailand #1 Turkey #3 Japan #3 Russia #4 Switzerland This is doing much better than SIO was at this point globally, the 1989 era really made her into a global superstar. |
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Post by jamrock16 on Aug 26, 2017 7:34:38 GMT -5
Can we stop discussing Beyonce in this thread?
Excited for the video for this.
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Post by ddlz on Aug 26, 2017 7:56:20 GMT -5
Since we're still talking about Beyonce and struggling pop radio careers: 3 basic rules in order to have a successful pop radio success:
1. Make catchy song
2. Keep up with the times (Spotify, etc.)
3. Don't be very pretentious
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 26, 2017 8:00:38 GMT -5
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Post by #LisaRinna on Aug 26, 2017 8:00:57 GMT -5
Since we're still talking about Beyonce and struggling pop radio careers: 3 basic rules in order to have a successful pop radio success: 1. Make catchy song 2. Keep up with the times (Spotify, etc.) 3. Don't be very pretentious 4. Sell your soul to corporations |
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Aug 26, 2017 8:05:33 GMT -5
Can we focus on Taylor in this thread?
Pulse can't handle a nuanced discussion, and this discussion certainly isn't one that should be taking place in Taylor's single thread.
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Post by Choco on Aug 26, 2017 8:16:06 GMT -5
Since we're still talking about Beyonce and struggling pop radio careers: 3 basic rules in order to have a successful pop radio success: 1. Make catchy song 2. Keep up with the times (Spotify, etc.) 3. Don't be very pretentious 4. Sell your soul to corporations Like Beyoncé sold her soul to TIDAL? That didn't turn out so well, did it? (It still counts even if the corporation is a massive waste of money and no one uses it). I wouldn't mind the entire album being full of this type of songs, just get a stronger chorus. It's the only reason I don't love this one. The writing is very similar to the one found on most 1989 songs, the video will probably be great (and what are those posts of her "becoming" a visual artist "now"? Didn't you guys see "Shake It Off", "Blank Space", "Bad Blood", "Wildest Dreams" or even the relatively boring but cute "Style"? She's been releasing great videos since her last album) and her voice is the same as always. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Aug 26, 2017 8:26:46 GMT -5
4. Sell your soul to corporations Like Beyoncé sold her soul to TIDAL? That didn't turn out so well, did it? (It still counts even if the corporation is a massive waste of money and no one uses it). Except she's a shareholder. |
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 26, 2017 8:46:44 GMT -5
Still has the #2 song down to 0.0966  |
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Post by rickroller on Aug 26, 2017 8:52:23 GMT -5
And here we go: — 31 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 2858 0 2858 21.463 +2730 spins +2730 bullet +20.747 audience f**k a #1 debut, this song will easily debut in the lower half of the Hot 100 just on strong airplay alone! And then, with all that streaming, and all that sales, rockets to #1. just don't make it happen. |
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Post by allow that on Aug 26, 2017 9:20:12 GMT -5
I guess Taylor's fans are proof that Beyoncé is more interesting to talk about than TS. I forgot which artist's thread I was in for a whole page.
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Post by jughead on Aug 26, 2017 9:24:22 GMT -5
I guess Taylor's fans are proof that Beyoncé is more interesting to talk about than TS. I forgot which artist's thread I was in for a whole page. Taylor's fans aren't confined on a music forum. They're busy streaming and buying this new single. |
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Post by allow that on Aug 26, 2017 9:27:54 GMT -5
I guess Taylor's fans are proof that Beyoncé is more interesting to talk about than TS. I forgot which artist's thread I was in for a whole page. Taylor's fans aren't confined on a music forum. They're busy streaming and buying this new single. Riiiight.  |
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Post by Oprah on Aug 26, 2017 9:42:06 GMT -5
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 26, 2017 9:53:21 GMT -5
I guess Taylor's fans are proof that Beyoncé is more interesting to talk about than TS. I forgot which artist's thread I was in for a whole page. Taylor's fans aren't confined on a music forum. They're busy streaming and buying this new single. And listening to it 30+ times, hoping it gets better. |
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Aug 26, 2017 10:10:26 GMT -5
I wonder, if someone had ridiculed a Beyonce video the same way those Beyonce fans are ridiculing stills from a video they haven't seen, wouldn't everyone and their mother be up in arms crying racism and whatnot? Seriously, somehow Taylor Swift is now a neo-Nazi Trump supporter with some people because of a 20 second teaser that shows like 5 separate stills from a music video no one has seen yet. How is that video similar to Formation? Has Beyonce copyrighted a female singer standing in the middle of dancers wearing black? The entire notion is ridiculous. What is even more ridiculous is those articles - from reputable publications mind you such as Vice - that are painting Taylor Swift as a neo-Nazi icon, mostly on the grounds that she hasn't told everyone who she voted for in November's elections. I mean, I didn't know every celebrity needs to come out and endorse Hillary Clinton for them not to be labeled a racist anymore. This level of degradation in the discourse is borderline childish. This song will debut at #1. That alone will make it a hit. Do I want single #2 from the album to be in the same vein? I don't think so and I think even Taylor won't want that. If anything, this song could have been the one people expect out of her to address the whole Kimye bulls**t and move on from it. Uh taylor has been a white nationalist icon for years. Thats not new |
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Post by allow that on Aug 26, 2017 10:16:21 GMT -5
Uh taylor has been a white nationalist icon for years. Thats not new VICE published an interesting article on it last year. The headline: |
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Post by jughead on Aug 26, 2017 10:19:47 GMT -5
Taylor's fans aren't confined on a music forum. They're busy streaming and buying this new single. And listening to it 30+ times, hoping it gets better. Sure, that too. We finally know how it feels to stan Kopy Pasty. |
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 26, 2017 10:29:50 GMT -5
Taylor's fans aren't confined on a music forum. They're busy streaming and buying this new single. And listening to it 30+ times, hoping it gets better. I still don't get why this is a bad thing. If Katy Perry had a massively hyped release and you didn't immediately like it, wouldn't you keep trying to like it for a few days? Don't say you wouldn't, you're Spree, of course you would, you got thrown out of a Katy concert. This just isn't an abnormal scenario, and people need to stop treating it like it is. I'm sure there were plenty of Gaga stans that repeatedly tried Perfect Illusion until it either stuck or they gave up. |
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Post by theflying on Aug 26, 2017 10:31:00 GMT -5
This is way better than Perfect Illusion. Eesh.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 26, 2017 10:33:03 GMT -5
This is way better than Perfect Illusion. Eesh. I never said it wasn't. |
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Post by theflying on Aug 26, 2017 10:33:47 GMT -5
I know, I just wanted to underline it. ;)
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 26, 2017 10:35:14 GMT -5
I'm so confused about what's being argued in this Taylor threads, as if Taylor fans are any different than any other pop star's fans yet her stans and other's stans are bashing each other over something they very likely already do? I must have missed something...
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Post by Josh Spicer on Aug 26, 2017 10:44:53 GMT -5
Uh taylor has been a white nationalist icon for years. Thats not new VICE published an interesting article on it last year. The headline: Just because the alt-right Neo-Nazi crowd embrace Taylor as an Aryan symbol doesn't mean she herself recognizes herself as an alt-right Neo-Nazi. Not her fault crazy people believe she's a goddess of the white people. |
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