Taylor Swift - "Look What You Made Me Do"

[allow that]

Aug 26, 2017 21:18:25 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Aug 26, 2017 21:14:29 GMT -5 g8erboi said:

This is really puzzling because so many people are saying that this sounds like a flop and is the worst song of her career, yet it's breaking so many records lmao. Perhaps most people purchased the song before even listening to it? Anyway, I feel like Taylor's decision to release the song is going to bite her in the ass eventually. I've never seen a comeback single have more negative perception than this has had so far (even moreso than Perfect Illusion), so we'll just have to wait and see if the hype is going to be short-lived...

Me :kii:  But this still has the #2 song down to 0.1715 on iTunes and is increasing in views a lot on YouTube, so although it may seem a lot of people may not like it, they must be a vocal minority because.. it is still doing well? I agree with your point, it is a little confusing, because Focus and Perfect Illusion were hated and didn't last long (as expected). However, this is still nearly as powerful as it was when it was first released

It is "still" doing well? It was literally released less than 48 hours ago. Let's not polish the longevity trophy just yet.

TS has a large fan base and the curiosity of the general public. This will obviously fly high for a while. Let's see if it's still #1 in 10 weeks or not. That'll be the test.

[theflying]

Yes, unless a song is #1 for ten weeks, it's not a hit.



Pulse in a nut shell, ladies and gentlemen.

[allow that]

Aug 26, 2017 21:25:37 GMT -5 theflying said:

Yes, unless a song is #1 for ten weeks, it's not a hit.



Pulse in a nut shell, ladies and gentlemen.

Context is your friend.

If a song opens as strongly as this is, then yes, it should remain stable for two to three months. Is that even a long time?

TS fans are already calling this the biggest hit of the year but making excuses for it to fall only 10 weeks into its run too. Lol.

[Dylan :)]

Aug 26, 2017 21:23:43 GMT -5 allow that said:

Aug 26, 2017 21:18:25 GMT -5 Dylan :) said:

Me :kii:  But this still has the #2 song down to 0.1715 on iTunes and is increasing in views a lot on YouTube, so although it may seem a lot of people may not like it, they must be a vocal minority because.. it is still doing well? I agree with your point, it is a little confusing, because Focus and Perfect Illusion were hated and didn't last long (as expected). However, this is still nearly as powerful as it was when it was first released

It is "still" doing well? It was literally released less than 48 hours ago. Let's not polish the longevity trophy just yet.

I say that because people have been comparing Taylor's return to Gaga's with Perfect Illusion and Ariana's with Focus. The former had fallen to #2 (0.6067) within 48 hours and Focus had fallen to #4 (no point comparing its pop bars because it was behind Hello). So compared to them, yes, it is still doing well. Will it collapse in a week and die quickly? I don't know but right now, the amount of hate it seems to be getting does not seem to be leading to it crashing on iTunes/YouTube/Spofity/anywhere. If anything, I think it is getting much more hate than those two yet #2 is still at 0.1715

[👑 Eloquent ™]

Its streaming is out of the park (Spotify and Youtube) and its sales are staggering for this climate. I don't think the general consensus is that this song is terrible, just Taylor has her detractors out in full force right now (not to say that there aren't many neutral parties who just don't like the song, simply that there are many who are trying to actively find failure due to their own personal distaste for her). The video premieres tomorrow and I know they'll have went all out to ensure some of those who might not find the song particularly strong to come around. I think, unlike some, a perfect trajectory is in the works and this will be not only a multi-week topper, but have solid longevity. This song may not be incredible, but with an amazing video coupled with the incessant push her label is known for, it's gonna be juuuuuust fine. People said she was gonna be "over" after the messy Grammy performance with Stevie Nicks, when she was gearing to pop with Red, after the Kanye/Kim fiasco, so so many times. Some are salivating for her failure and she just keeps getting better and stronger. Lol :)

[jughead]

Aug 26, 2017 21:28:41 GMT -5 allow that said:

Aug 26, 2017 21:25:37 GMT -5 theflying said:

Yes, unless a song is #1 for ten weeks, it's not a hit.



Pulse in a nut shell, ladies and gentlemen.

Context is your friend.

If a song opens as strongly as this is, then yes, it should remain stable for two to three months. Is that even a long time?

TS fans are already calling this the biggest hit of the year but making excuses for it to fall only 10 weeks into its run too. Lol.

Not being able to top the charts for 10 weeks =/= falling only 10 weeks into its run.
And the biggest hit of the year does not always mean the hit that has spent the most weeks at number one.

[allow that]

Aug 26, 2017 22:28:25 GMT -5 jughead said:

Aug 26, 2017 21:28:41 GMT -5 allow that said:

Context is your friend.

If a song opens as strongly as this is, then yes, it should remain stable for two to three months. Is that even a long time?

TS fans are already calling this the biggest hit of the year but making excuses for it to fall only 10 weeks into its run too. Lol.

Not being able to top the charts for 10 weeks =/= falling only 10 weeks into its run.
And the biggest hit of the year does not always mean the hit that has spent the most weeks at number one.

Funny how Taylor fans tried to call "Pillowtalk" a "flop" a few pages back for literally debuting at #1 and not staying there forever, but are already making excuses for this to fall. Whether it's #1 or #3 in 10 weeks is irrelevant. If it's not close to the top after debuting as strong as it did, it means it debuted this high out of buzz/curiosity/core fans and not because of a high public approval rating. That's the point to take away here. Not chart pedantics.

[jughead]

Aug 26, 2017 22:34:55 GMT -5 allow that said:

Aug 26, 2017 22:28:25 GMT -5 jughead said:

Not being able to top the charts for 10 weeks =/= falling only 10 weeks into its run.
And the biggest hit of the year does not always mean the hit that has spent the most weeks at number one.

Funny how Taylor fans tried to call "Pillowtalk" a "flop" a few pages back for literally debuting at #1 and not staying there forever, but are already making excuses for this to fall. Whether it's #1 or #3 in 10 weeks is irrelevant. If it's not close to the top after debuting as strong as it did, it means it debuted this high out of buzz/curiosity/core fans and not because of a high public approval rating. That's the point to take away here. Not chart pedantics.

Sure, allow that.
We love your obsession. Don't forget to stream and buy.

[theflying]

Aug 26, 2017 22:34:55 GMT -5 allow that said:

Aug 26, 2017 22:28:25 GMT -5 jughead said:

Not being able to top the charts for 10 weeks =/= falling only 10 weeks into its run.
And the biggest hit of the year does not always mean the hit that has spent the most weeks at number one.

Funny how Taylor fans tried to call "Pillowtalk" a "flop" a few pages back for literally debuting at #1 and not staying there forever, but are already making excuses for this to fall. Whether it's #1 or #3 in 10 weeks is irrelevant. If it's not close to the top after debuting as strong as it did, it means it debuted this high out of buzz/curiosity/core fans and not because of a high public approval rating. That's the point to take away here. Not chart pedantics.

I love how your posts on this subject have all low key been about thinking you set the standard for what makes a hit. Newsflash: You don't.

[allow that]

Aug 26, 2017 22:53:00 GMT -5 theflying said:

Aug 26, 2017 22:34:55 GMT -5 allow that said:

Funny how Taylor fans tried to call "Pillowtalk" a "flop" a few pages back for literally debuting at #1 and not staying there forever, but are already making excuses for this to fall. Whether it's #1 or #3 in 10 weeks is irrelevant. If it's not close to the top after debuting as strong as it did, it means it debuted this high out of buzz/curiosity/core fans and not because of a high public approval rating. That's the point to take away here. Not chart pedantics.

I love how your posts on this subject have all low key been about thinking you set the standard for what makes a hit. Newsflash: You don't.

Worry less about me please. I never claimed to have the definition of a hit (which varies based on context anyway). I simply called out the double standards I've read here and provided examples (you should too if you must reply).

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

There's a lot of hype around the song right now so of course it's going to get a ton of streaming points. Any major single would get that in the beginning. This one is getting it to a greater extent because there's so much coverage around it. It'll take a little bit for it to sink in and then we'll see if the song is good enough to stand on its own. Debuting at/jumping to #1 on the Hot 100 will help it out too.

[dwhite725]

This is Taylor Swift we are talking about. Regardless of the quality or the reviews, did people really expect this to pull a Perfect Illusion? Taylor and Adele are the only artists that have consistently pulled over 1 million first week album sales with their past 2 projects
(well I dunno if Adele did for 21 but I'm pretty sure she did have a million selling week at one point). Gaga had that with BTW but that was with that whole Amazon discount to 1.99 or whatever. I'm not shocked by the airplay at all because we all knew there would be a deal. Streaming, no one had a clue bc she has never been available.

I'm not saying this is gonna fall drastically, I think the next few weeks will be very interesting regarding this song. It's a big thing right now in the news/social media but with the mixed response it is getting with all the coverage, I honestly could see a backlash. I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about her playing the victim again. Maybe I just haven't come across it. But "Look What you made me do" - oh, I just completely changed me bc you hurt me is essentially what the song is saying. Especially with "the old Taylor is dead."

I'm 50/50 with the song. I guess I wanted something that was more fun? I was more of a fan of The singles from 1989 other than SIO. And I'll be totally honest, I knew she would have to comment on the Kimye situation but I was hoping for more of a deep cut rather than a lead single addressing it. I hope for her that this is it and the album is not more of the same Kimye/Katy/exes who done her wrong or else she might have a problem. She might be self-aware but maybe not that self aware.

At the same time, we all might be the butt of the joke bc we're buying into these feuds. Maybe they all agreed to it. Granted, Taylor so far is the only one running to the bank at this point. I guess we'll see how this unfolds. I'm here for it.

[Enigma.]

Aug 26, 2017 23:07:20 GMT -5 allow that said:

Aug 26, 2017 22:53:00 GMT -5 theflying said:

I love how your posts on this subject have all low key been about thinking you set the standard for what makes a hit. Newsflash: You don't.

Worry less about me please. I never claimed to have the definition of a hit (which varies based on context anyway). I simply called out the double standards I've read here and provided examples (you should too if you must reply).

Agree, it's all relative. Taylor is so popular (the second best selling album artist of last let's say 6 years behind Adele) so OF COURSE her new song is a number one. But relatively speaking I'd say Look What You Made Me Do spending only 2 or 3 weeks at #1 of Hot 100 and a month in top five is the same as Gaga spending a week in top 10/20. The scale is so different and the first two weeks are pretty much only about the anticipation.

[Glove Slap]

Aug 27, 2017 2:20:13 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

Aug 26, 2017 23:07:20 GMT -5 allow that said:

Worry less about me please. I never claimed to have the definition of a hit (which varies based on context anyway). I simply called out the double standards I've read here and provided examples (you should too if you must reply).

I'd say Look What You Made Me Do spending only 2 or 3 weeks at #1 of Hot 100 is the same as Gaga spending a week in top 10/20.

It really is not. I get that you're a Lady Gaga superfan and get hype when her album goes from #185 to #178 (no shade just observation), but no.

As far as radio success goes, this, like any other big release, needs about two weeks or so before anything can really be said about it.

Overall, even if it's still a short lived hit, it's still a hit, and one that obviously got notice. And if this spends 3 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100, it is a far bigger hit than any Lady Gaga or Katy Perry single post-2013 stateside aside from Dark Horse without question.

[Enigma.]

I was talking about from her career point of view as her career is much bigger in pop than anyone else's besides Adele but yeah, I love Gaga more that Taylor so there's that

[rickroller]

Guys, let's talk about Beyoncé instead.

Taylor already outpeaked highest peaking pop single from Lemonade in one day of spins.

[Glove Slap]

Aug 27, 2017 3:36:29 GMT -5 rickroller said:

Guys, let's talk about Beyoncé instead.

Actually, let's have a little reminder instead.

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Anyway, 2nd day Spotify stats:

US - 2,338,968
UK - 407,117 (fell to #2)
Global - 5,429,680

[rickroller]

Wow, pretty decent streaming for UK.

Guess she won't be blocked by Dua.

[MilesW1998]

Wow, a loss of nearly 1.5M streams after one day. But it was to be expected I guess, you get huge hype for one day, and then it starts falling down, never to truly reach that height ever again. However, my guess is the number of streams may stabilize and the song could hold in the top 5 for a while, unless it gets a burst of life once the video gets released, which might just happen, who knows.

[Janhova's Witness]

Taylor rn

[Glove Slap]

— 22 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 4193 0 4193 30.600

+1335 spins
+1335 bullet
+9.137 audience

[Duca]

The Spotify drop is not alarming since huge debuts tend to drop during the weekend when old hits increase so it will probably drop today as well. Strong numbers nonetheless.

The song was apparently recorded last year since Joseph posted on Twitter that they started working on the video concert and preparations way back in January, shot it throughout May, and it was in post-production until this morning. He's also liked a couple of tweets that imply that she kills herself in the video.

[rickroller]

#25 Shake it Off on 2nd day vs. #22 LWYMMD 2nd day. 🤤

[Az Paynter]

Aug 27, 2017 5:02:32 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

— 22 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 4193 0 4193 30.600

+1335 spins
+1335 bullet
+9.137 audience

HOT AC:
-- 20 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 1516 0 1516 12.140

+470 Spins
+470 Bullet
+3.349 Audience

AC:
-- 24 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 142 0 142 2.188

+45 Spins
+45 Bullet
+0.753 Audience

[NeRD]

Aug 27, 2017 5:02:32 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

— 22 TAYLOR SWIFT Look What You Made Me Do 4193 0 4193 30.600

+1335 spins
+1335 bullet
+9.137 audience

Those spins are equivalent and even more than most big artists' first day with a radio deal lmao

[Dylan :)]

Don't forget that Shake It Off, one of her biggest hits, only spent four weeks at #1 after debuting (and holding it for a second), as it was blocked by a random first single from essentially a nobody. At a quick glance, it looks like Shake It Off underperformed, but if you look at he situation itself, you will see both were extremely strong and as sometimes the chart is just luck, All About That Bass got lucky. I think there may even have been some weeks where people were convinced based on the numbers/what the numbers should be, Shake It Off should have been #1

[theflying]

Yeah were it not for AATB Shake it Off would have logged like 12 weeks at #1.

So, according to allow that, just barely a hit.

[Enigma.]

You totally misread allow that's post but nevermind...

1989 is by far her biggest era in terms of pop hits so the anticipation here is automatically high

[Dylan :)]

Aug 27, 2017 7:12:32 GMT -5 theflying said:

Yeah were it not for AATB Shake it Off would have logged like 12 weeks at #1.

So, according to allow that, just barely a hit.

He never said that, and if you think he did, you're misunderstanding his post (or else I am but I am confident I'm not). My post's intention was to back up what he was saying

[Sambalada]

Wait... so of all people, you decide to throw shade at allow that (lol) and not at the Hot 100 circlejerk?