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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 27, 2017 11:49:20 GMT -5
This thread about Taylor's new single already touched on: Politics, 'Pillowtalk', Beyoncé, 'Despacito', 'Shake It Off' etc. Wow. And it's only been 2 days. Sounds like the makings of Hollywood's next summer blockbuster. Just TAKE our fucking money Pulse
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 27, 2017 11:51:55 GMT -5
Once again? What did she do before? Imo, with 1989 Taylor proved that an artist could still sell albums. She also stood up to the changing face of the music industry with the whole Spotify situation. I'm not even a fan of Taylor and it's pretty dang obvious what a force she is, and has been, and her undeniable influence and authority in the industry. So she showed the industry that laggards still exist.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 27, 2017 11:59:47 GMT -5
Adele being a powerhouse in the industry (selling 2x Taylor) doesn't take away anything from Taylor's impact or force in the industry. I fail to name another artist in the last twenty years who has sold over four million copies with their first five respective releases and debut with over a million in sales three seperate times. No one has shown the steady consisteny Taylor has as of late, not even the almighty Adele. She has certainly made a colossal impact. Even before Adele she was lauded for bringing life back to the industry. You're deflecting from the points being made. No one said Taylor isn't a force in the industry. Of course she is. But she hasn't innovated the sound of popular music either. In fact, I'd argue that a big reason why she HAS sold albums so consistently is because she utilizes ready-made formulas and makes music that's extra safe. Reshaping the music landscape and being a force in the industry are not mutually exclusive. I was touching one comment made in the thread. I wasn't "deflecting" from anything because I never cared to became part of your circular discussion about her reshaping the pop landscape musically, because I don't believe she particularly has. As for her following trends and making safe music, well, lots of artists do that and don't have anywhere near the level of success she does. There is much more to her success than that.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Aug 27, 2017 12:00:23 GMT -5
Adele being a powerhouse in the industry (selling 2x Taylor) doesn't take away anything from Taylor's impact or force in the industry. I fail to name another artist in the last twenty years who has sold over four million copies with their first five respective releases and debut with over a million in sales three seperate times. No one has shown the steady consisteny Taylor has as of late, not even the almighty Adele. She has certainly made a colossal impact. Even before Adele she was lauded for bringing life back to the industry. Again, that's cute and all, but it is not relevant to what sparked that narrative. Where has she changed the landscape of pop music? You're just citing her numbers. That does not support anything other than her success not her impact on pop music itself.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 27, 2017 12:01:37 GMT -5
Adele being a powerhouse in the industry (selling 2x Taylor) doesn't take away anything from Taylor's impact or force in the industry. I fail to name another artist in the last twenty years who has sold over four million copies with their first five respective releases and debut with over a million in sales three seperate times. No one has shown the steady consisteny Taylor has as of late, not even the almighty Adele. She has certainly made a colossal impact. Even before Adele she was lauded for bringing life back to the industry. Again, that's cute and all, but it is not relevant to what sparked that narrative. Where has she changed the landscape of pop music? You're just citing her numbers. That does not support anything other than her success not her impact on pop music itself. Again, read my previous comment. 👍
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Aug 27, 2017 12:05:17 GMT -5
Eloqueen™Let me get this straight. You never cared to become part of a "circular discussion about [Taylor] reshaping the pop landscape musically", yet decided to throw your two cents in on a comment that was directly made to support someone's position in this discussion about her reshaping of the pop landscape? Ok. Got it. Very "I would very much like to be excluded from this narrative, one that I have never asked to be a part of" of you.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 27, 2017 12:11:44 GMT -5
Eloqueen™Let me get this straight. You never cared to become part of a "circular discussion about [Taylor] reshaping the pop landscape musically", yet decided to throw your two cents in on a comment that was directly made to support someone's position in this discussion about her reshaping of the pop landscape? Ok. Got it. Very "I would very much like to be excluded from this narrative, one that I have never asked to be a part of" of you. Oh how I love you cute little Pulse dolls and your attitudes. Nothing changes here. Love the catty pettiness of it all. ❤ I can address what I want. The whole discrediting Taylor's success because "Adele did it bigger" (3x bigger) bit is tired and played. I don't think she reshaped the musical landscape, though I would say she brought in a new style of writing. Either way, I don't disagree with a lot of what is being said, if I don't disagree with the point, why would I argue it? I wouldn't.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 12:17:13 GMT -5
Look what Taylor is making you guys do
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 12:17:19 GMT -5
If you're the number one song in sales and on the radio, which she has been in the past and certainly will with LWYMMD, I feel that's changing the pop landscape. I didn't say it was an "innovative" or "ground breaking" change, but if you are dominating pop, you are changing the face of it whether you like it or not.
Lots of Taylor hate around, but again, that's genius of Taylor! Not only can she create this dialogue and buzz, she can actually turn it into massive commercial success.
Edit: As far as the influence I was referencing; it's her influence as an artist/celebrity as a whole, not necessarily the influence of her music per se. Didn't realize my post would be dissected :)
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Post by greentoo on Aug 27, 2017 12:22:37 GMT -5
What times the video coming? I'm so excited for it!
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 27, 2017 12:23:47 GMT -5
Oh how I love you cute little Pulse dolls and your attitudes. Nothing changes here. ❤ I can address what I want. The whole discrediting Taylor's success because "Adele did it bigger" (3x bigger) bit is tired and played. I don't think she reshaped the musical landscape, though I would say she brought in a new style of writing. Either way, I don't disagree with a lot of what is being said, if I don't disagree with the point, why would I argue it? I wouldn't. I would like to quote you the conversation that you replied to, because I'm not sure if you actually read it: Adele did the "selling albums" thing 3x stronger and actually changed the musical landscape instead of pumping out Max Martin hits and KISS leftovers about how everyone is mean to her. Who here is discrediting her success? We were discrediting the fact that she had any influence on the pop landscape, which you said above you agree with. The fact that Adele even needed to be cited as doing it bigger/better (the "selling albums" thing), as if to say Taylor's commercial feats were somehow less impressive by comparison. Anytime people cite her commercial success people wanna drop Adele into the discussion as if it is an automatic disqualifier. That was my point.
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Post by Josh Spicer on Aug 27, 2017 12:30:15 GMT -5
This is why I usually stick to the personal charts thread.
Well that and that other thing but I think everybody would like to forget that.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 27, 2017 12:30:36 GMT -5
If you're the number one song in sales and on the radio, which she has been in the past and certainly will with LWYMMD, I feel that's changing the pop landscape. No, that's a response of the pop landscape. Changing the pop landscape is doing something differently that hasn't been done before or in a while that has an impact beyond that artist's own music. Most pop stars don't change the pop landscape. It's not bad that a pop star hasn't changed the pop landscape. It's not an insult to Taylor that she hasn't really changed it. She does have a distinct style and has made it distinctly hers for much of her career and that in itself is pretty impressive. But changing the pop landscape? Not really. And that's okay.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 27, 2017 12:32:28 GMT -5
The fact that Adele even needed to be cited as doing it bigger/better (the "selling albums" thing), as if to say Taylor's commercial feats were somehow less impressive by comparison. Anytime people cite her commercial success people wanna drop Adele into the discussio n as if it is an automatic disqualifier. That was my point. The comment stated that Taylor "proved that an artist can sell albums". That is false, because it had already been proven by Adele, therefore, Taylor herself did not prove anything. Do you agree with the logic of this statement? If you want to continue talking about which is more impressive, feel free, but that has nothing to do with what I (or anyone else relevant to this discussion) said. Absolutely positive Taylor was shifting massive albums before Adele tho, so she did in fact show that an artist could still shift a lot of albums. I said what I had to say tho. I'll leave y'all to it. =)
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 27, 2017 12:33:02 GMT -5
What times the video coming? I'm so excited for it! Kahn said the first thirty minutes of the show ![:d](http://images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 12:41:22 GMT -5
If you're the number one song in sales and on the radio, which she has been in the past and certainly will with LWYMMD, I feel that's changing the pop landscape. No, that's a response of the pop landscape. Changing the pop landscape is doing something differently that hasn't been done before or in a while that has an impact beyond that artist's own music. Most pop stars don't change the pop landscape. It's not bad that a pop star hasn't changed the pop landscape. It's not an insult to Taylor that she hasn't really changed it. She does have a distinct style and has made it distinctly hers for much of her career and that in itself is pretty impressive. But changing the pop landscape? Not really. And that's okay. I'll agree with this. I do have to admit, the level of commercial success she has achieved and maintained is quite remarkable to me. And that's coming from someone who doesn't have a single TS song, but that may be changing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 12:43:37 GMT -5
And the real winner here is ME! In one calendar year I get to watch the world catch up to me and witness the unravelling of the despised thin voiced mediocre white women who walk around and stay mediocre and get rewarded come to an end. The end of fake feminism!
2017/2018 stay tuned for Kelly Clarkson soul album and witness the birth of a singer taking over where these talentless hacks have hijacked. 👑
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 12:52:22 GMT -5
Adele being a powerhouse in the industry (selling 2x Taylor) doesn't take away anything from Taylor's impact or force in the industry. I fail to name another artist in the last twenty years who has sold over four million copies with their first five respective releases and debut with over a million in sales three seperate times. No one has shown the steady consisteny Taylor has as of late, not even the almighty Adele. She has certainly made a colossal impact. Even before Adele she was lauded for bringing life back to the industry. Ava sis, come on! You know what real singing, songwriting is all about and you know Taylor outside of selling units like many other people brings nothing to the table. She ain't even fun and honest like Rhianna. Come on ava! Even your own personal music you were proud of is better than Taylor Swift😂
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 12:56:20 GMT -5
What times the video coming? I'm so excited for it! Kahn said the first thirty minutes of the show I can imagine Katy Perry calling out Kim K to announce the video MDR
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Post by greentoo on Aug 27, 2017 12:57:24 GMT -5
What times the video coming? I'm so excited for it! Kahn said the first thirty minutes of the show ![:d](http://images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif) And it will be uploaded to YouTube at the same time? I don't even know when the show starts since I'm in the UK.
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 27, 2017 12:59:57 GMT -5
Kahn said the first thirty minutes of the show ![:d](http://images.proboards.com/cheesy.gif) And it will be uploaded to YouTube at the same time? I don't even know when the show starts since I'm in the UK. I doubt it. And I am in Ireland :) It is on at 8pm on the east coast so 1am here :)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 13:00:43 GMT -5
And the real winner here is ME! In one calendar year I get to watch the world catch up to me and witness the unravelling of the despised thin voiced mediocre white women who walk around and stay mediocre and get rewarded come to an end. The end of fake feminism! 2017/2018 stay tuned for Kelly Clarkson soul album and witness the birth of a singer taking over where these talentless hacks have hijacked. 👑 I'm always on board for Kelly. I've waited a long time for her to have the artistic freedom to really shine and show the world the true artist she really is. They say... those who revert to name calling often, demonstrate to simplest, most basic level of intelligence. That of a toddler even. Such a shame people get intellectually stunted to that degree.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 27, 2017 13:01:11 GMT -5
Adele being a powerhouse in the industry (selling 2x Taylor) doesn't take away anything from Taylor's impact or force in the industry. I fail to name another artist in the last twenty years who has sold over four million copies with their first five respective releases and debut with over a million in sales three seperate times. No one has shown the steady consisteny Taylor has as of late, not even the almighty Adele. She has certainly made a colossal impact. Even before Adele she was lauded for bringing life back to the industry. Ava sis, come on! You know what real singing, songwriting is all about and you know Taylor outside of selling units like many other people brings nothing to the table. She ain't even fun and honest like Rhianna. Come on ava! Even your own personal music you were proud of is better than Taylor Swift😂 The direct and personal shade Coco!!! 😂😂 I think Taylor has a genuine gift for telling a story. Vocally, personality-wise, she is medicore. But I love a lot of her music and I think she does have talent. ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0244.gif)
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Aug 27, 2017 13:06:29 GMT -5
Absolutely positive Taylor was shifting massive albums before Adele tho, so she did in fact show that an artist could still shift a lot of albums, even before Adele. I said what I had to say tho. I'll leave y'all to it. =) Generally, leaving a discussion doesn't win an argument above age 15, but I understand your frustration. However, if we want to go back to before Adele, there were many artists shifting massive albums similarly to Taylor. For example: - The High School Musical soundtrack sold more than most Taylor Swift albums. - The Fame sold more than Speak Now, even in the US. Album sales collapsed brutally by 2011 when digital sales were at their peak, and then further when streaming became significant. By that time, Adele was the shining star of the industry, showing that talent can engage audiences of all ages and backgrounds. Taylor's sales did not show anything, other than the fact that country music sells well in the US. If we look at worldwide sales, Taylor's sales are significantly below Rihanna, for example. She's successful, but there is no need to get delusional. For most of the world, she's only had two albums. It's humorous you think I am so personally invested in winning anything. I am not delusional. Check the headlines once Speak Now broke with one million. They were all talking of her reviving the industry. It is what it is. Still, I don't place any merit or pride in "winning" any kind of discussion here. Pulse is just the ocassional distraction for me, not my everyday, nor anything my self-esteem is tied to. Oh no, I "lost" a debate on a random music forum. I will be weeping for the remainder of the day. lol Like, I said, have at it doll. =)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 13:08:05 GMT -5
And the real winner here is ME! In one calendar year I get to watch the world catch up to me and witness the unravelling of the despised thin voiced mediocre white women who walk around and stay mediocre and get rewarded come to an end. The end of fake feminism! 2017/2018 stay tuned for Kelly Clarkson soul album and witness the birth of a singer taking over where these talentless hacks have hijacked. 👑 I'm always on board for Kelly. I've waited a long time for her to have the artistic freedom to really shine and show the world the true artist she really is. They say... those who revert to name calling often, demonstrate to simplest, most basic level of intelligence. That of a toddler even. Such a shame people get intellectually stunted to that degree. I disagree on the second point. I'm from the streets we call that real talk. Call it what it is. If you can't sing or are not creative and need back stories you're a talentless hack to me I dunno! I'm also not getting paid by pulse so you gonna get what I want to give you when I wanna give it. Stay tuned for intelligent post of mine in a non pop thread. Have a lovely Sunday sweety
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Post by ClevelandRox on Aug 27, 2017 13:13:17 GMT -5
The chorus is definitely a grower, loving it now.
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Post by PerPlexied on Aug 27, 2017 13:23:00 GMT -5
Adele did the "selling albums" thing 3x stronger and actually changed the musical landscape instead of pumping out Max Martin hits and KISS leftovers about how everyone is mean to her. This tea right here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 13:23:26 GMT -5
I'm always on board for Kelly. I've waited a long time for her to have the artistic freedom to really shine and show the world the true artist she really is. They say... those who revert to name calling often, demonstrate to simplest, most basic level of intelligence. That of a toddler even. Such a shame people get intellectually stunted to that degree. I disagree on the second point. I'm from the streets we call that real talk. Call it what it is. If you can't sing or are not creative and need back stories you're a talentless hack to me I dunno! I'm also not getting paid by pulse so you gonna get what I want to give you when I wanna give it. Stay tuned for intelligent post of mine in a non pop thread. Have a lovely Sunday sweety ooohh ba-by!
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Post by theflying on Aug 27, 2017 13:56:56 GMT -5
The more certain people keep up the "Taylor and this song are not that successful", the more they seem PRESSED by its success and her.
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Post by stunnedout on Aug 27, 2017 13:59:24 GMT -5
This song is awful, but I'm sure it will do well enough as a lead single. if she doesn't have anything better as a follow up, I think she is going to struggle a bit. No1 stays on top for ever.
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