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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 28, 2017 16:05:11 GMT -5
If Gaga had men dancing in heels in her video, would you think she's exploiting negative stereotypes or celebrating a person's decisions to wear what they like regardless of their gender? Gaga literally had gay men dancing in heels in Alejandro... Which got ripped to shreds for a plethora of reasons, and marked the beginning of the end of her career. So... This question will bring this thread further off topic but: what?
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 28, 2017 16:08:34 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how many countries this will manage to debut at #1. I remember Shape Of You debuted at the top in a load of countries when it was released (I will have to check how many), hopefully it can beat it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 16:08:55 GMT -5
Alejandro didn't get ripped too bad, Judas on the otherhand got ripped incredibly hard and was the one that fell off cause of it
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Aug 28, 2017 16:10:30 GMT -5
You want to know what the gag is, over half of the male dancers in the video performed with Katy during the VMAs last night Get that coin.
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Post by deepston on Aug 28, 2017 16:30:55 GMT -5
Alejandro didn't get ripped too bad, Judas on the otherhand got ripped incredibly hard and was the one that fell off cause of it Judas was such a fucking mess...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 16:43:42 GMT -5
Wow. Was just on YT and saw almst 33 million. Crazy. Good for her.
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Post by born on Aug 28, 2017 16:44:35 GMT -5
Debuted at #77 on the Hot 100.
I wanted a #1 debut or a 98-1 jump but queen slayed the chart with 3 days of airplay, I'm in shock.
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Post by deepston on Aug 28, 2017 16:50:33 GMT -5
Actually I think Born This Way was pretty good and she didn't look odd at all there. As for Judas/Alejandro the tons of symbolism ruined those videos and I remember everybody thought she was a satanic bitch. That era was her downfall.
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Post by irice22 on Aug 28, 2017 17:12:40 GMT -5
I feel bad for Lady Gaga, because "Judas" was in a way the weird, controversial song audiences were asking from Gaga. And when she delivered it, audiences shunned her.
I feel similarly about this song. Virtually every song on the radio has an underwhelming or non-existent chorus. It's generally just a breakdown now that replaces the chorus. Now Taylor does it the chorus is being judged for not being impactful or catchy enough? We asked for this.
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Post by deepston on Aug 28, 2017 17:19:44 GMT -5
I feel bad for Lady Gaga, because "Judas" was in a way the weird, controversial song audiences were asking from Gaga. And when she delivered it, audiences shunned her. I feel similarly about this song. Virtually every song on the radio has an underwhelming or non-existent chorus. It's generally just a breakdown now that replaces the chorus. Now Taylor does it the chorus is being judged for not being impactful or catchy enough? We asked for this. Tbh the people who don't really like this song are a minoraty... It has ~15% dislikes on the MV with a controversial video and it's selling, streaming and gaining radio like crazy. I don't think this song can be compared to Judas.
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Post by irice22 on Aug 28, 2017 17:40:50 GMT -5
I don't think this is as polarizing as "Judas," but I think any criticism whatsoever stems from similar places.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 17:50:16 GMT -5
If I had to guess she had a 1 mil budget, but serious lack of product placement means it was a serious investment regardless lol It was ripped to shreds for questionable usage of religious iconography though. The gays had nothing to do with it. You are right, it got ripped to shreds for the religious use. However, a large portion of her old straight fans felt uncomfortable from the video, and I remember many negative comments about the mushroom haired gays in high heels dancing on the beds. The Alejandro/Born This Way/Judas videos are what changed public perception of her from "cool" to "too weird and gay", in my opinion. ( Rose "Payola" Nylund) Yeah that's fair, but kind of deviating from the original issue (that she's allegedly exploiting/misrepresenting gay men). Whether or not it had a hand in doing Gaga in almost 7 years ago, in a different social climate, doesn't mean much rn.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 28, 2017 17:52:10 GMT -5
If I had to guess she had a 1 mil budget, but serious lack of product placement means it was a serious investment regardless lol It was ripped to shreds for questionable usage of religious iconography though. The gays had nothing to do with it. You are right, it got ripped to shreds for the religious use. However, a large portion of her old straight fans felt uncomfortable from the video, and I remember many negative comments about the mushroom haired gays in high heels dancing on the beds. The Alejandro/Born This Way/Judas videos are what changed public perception of her from "cool" to "too weird and gay", in my opinion. ( Rose "Payola" Nylund) But what does that instance have to do with this song and the gays? The implication was there that guys in heels were something to do with Gaga's downfall. Also, old straight fans feeling uncomfortable lmao. What doesn't make them clutch their pearls
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Post by deepston on Aug 28, 2017 18:34:02 GMT -5
Is she exploiting gay men? Because look at Katy's performance from last day's VMAs... Is she taking advantage of them aswell? Just because they are represeting dudes with heels it doesn't mean they are gay in the first place -- and I believe a lot of those dancers are actually straight so I think you're overthinking it.
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Post by Kris on Aug 28, 2017 18:37:35 GMT -5
just keep looping the image of the you belong with me taylor getting kicked in the face with "you wear high heels i wear sneakers" stuck in my head.
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 28, 2017 18:44:55 GMT -5
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Post by Josh Spicer on Aug 28, 2017 18:49:02 GMT -5
^
Wasn't that already established?
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 28, 2017 18:50:16 GMT -5
^ Wasn't that already established? Oh, I know, but just in case anyone wanted pictures comparing them :) Ignore the caption
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Post by Kinney on Aug 28, 2017 18:54:48 GMT -5
At 37.5 million views, with 30 minutes left. With the Youtube lag, I think it might have already passed Psy for most views in a day.
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Post by Glove Slap on Aug 28, 2017 18:56:17 GMT -5
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Post by dbhmr on Aug 28, 2017 19:00:24 GMT -5
And you could do another column with all the sources of inspiration for Gaga. I mean, more than one female pop artist is going to ride on a motorcycle, wear leopard print, and be eclipsed by a group of fabulous gay dancers in heels. And none of the ones we're talking about right now were the first to do so, nor will they be the last. Some of these aren't even that close?
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Post by vithor on Aug 28, 2017 19:04:32 GMT -5
Finally watched the video and I'm glad she realizes now (or finally admits) how annoying she has portraited herself in the past. If she owns the bad bitch persona that she had been trying to hide, she'll be even bigger than she has been.
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 28, 2017 19:06:25 GMT -5
And you could do another column with all the sources of inspiration for Gaga. I mean, more than one female pop artist is going to ride on a motorcycle, wear leopard print, and be eclipsed by a group of fabulous gay dancers in heels. And none of the ones we're talking about right now were the first to do so, nor will they be the last. Some of these aren't even that close? I don't know, I thought they were, but I do agree they are also bit of a stretch. I actually thought (and my brother said it too when he watched) that in the car scene (and from a distance in the bike scene) she looked similar to Fergie
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Post by Active Aggressive on Aug 28, 2017 19:13:05 GMT -5
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Post by woods on Aug 28, 2017 19:27:43 GMT -5
38,916,434 views. I think she did it!
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Post by deepston on Aug 28, 2017 19:33:18 GMT -5
According to Kworb Psy got 38.4m in 24h. Swift is on 39m so it looks like she broke the YouTube ahaha
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 19:34:22 GMT -5
I'll wait for celebs that copy Brandi to weigh in on the situation before I give an opinion.
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Post by Future Captain on Aug 28, 2017 19:38:22 GMT -5
what's the record for fastest to 100 million again? i think taylor can snatch that record too
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Post by Kinney on Aug 28, 2017 19:39:42 GMT -5
So we'll wait for Youtube's official numbers, but based on the counter at 24 hours she passed:
Vevo Record - Hello (27.7 million views) Youtube 24h Music Video Record - Psy (38.4 million views) Youtube 24h All Video Record - Youtube 2016 Rewind (38.9 million)
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