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Post by kmbgs on Aug 31, 2017 17:22:59 GMT -5
What are the top 10 records ?? For quickest days I'm not sure if it's the record, but Born This Way did it in five days. She was top 5 by the end of the seventh day: -- 31 LADY GAGA Born This Way 1838 0 1838 16.730 -- 20 LADY GAGA Born This Way 3665 0 3665 31.218 -- 16 LADY GAGA Born This Way 5190 0 5190 43.500 -- 11 LADY GAGA Born This Way 6179 0 6179 50.693 -- 9 LADY GAGA Born This Way 7189 0 7189 57.465 -- 7 LADY GAGA Born This Way 8336 0 8336 64.969 -- 5 LADY GAGA Born This Way 9520 0 9520 74.960 Currently that would be equal to around 14,000 spins, because of the extra stations added since then to the panel. I don't think Billboard tracked days, but Erotica by Madonna debuted at number 2, which is the highest debut to my knowledge on Overall Airplay. The Fame Monster - 15 million 25 - 20 million 21 - 35 million Taylor Swift - 5.5 million Fearless - 10 million Speak Now - 5 million Red - 6 million 1989 - 10 million I thought 25 was at 25 million sales. Sales figure above are approximate, but the point still stands. Reception is going to sell well, between 6-12 million, but there's maybe a 3% chance that it reaches TFM's sales, let alone 25's sales. TFM and 25 don't outsell her entire discography, though, so the point does not still stand? ;) |
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Post by theflying on Aug 31, 2017 17:23:17 GMT -5
Well, look, a lot of what I'm saying is ultimately me surmising -- it's not like it's on the record or that we'll ever know what the strategy is. Then why have you gone three pages now with your dick out? Pardon me for the stop gap from the absolutely scintillating discussion that had been happening prior. By all means, proceed. |
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Post by dbhmr on Aug 31, 2017 17:43:46 GMT -5
Then why have you gone three pages now with your dick out? Pardon me for the stop gap from the absolutely scintillating discussion that had been happening prior. By all means, proceed. Prior to what? I don't think there's been a discussion in this thread, scintillating or otherwise, that you haven't been a part of. You have been doing the absolute most, but it feels appropriately meta for a Taylor thread. |
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Post by theflying on Aug 31, 2017 17:57:41 GMT -5
Now that you mention it, I definitely could use another three pages on 'retarded'.
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Post by irice22 on Aug 31, 2017 17:57:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 17:59:04 GMT -5
Then why have you gone three pages now with your dick out? Pardon me for the stop gap from the absolutely scintillating discussion that had been happening prior. By all means, proceed. At the risk of going off topic, "discussion" usually doesn't involve framing your posts in such a way that they resemble someone trying to talk over everyone else in the room. Regardless, whether or not you like, or can comprehend, what is being discussed is completely irrelevant to its merit. I honestly don't think people would be nearly so hostile towards you, or with Taylor stans in general, if you weren't so aggressively stubborn. Hell, even if you were just regular old stubborn we wouldn't be here right now lol Making this somewhat relevant, it is kind of a testament to her power that she has amassed such a following as dedicated and ruthless as this. The Swifties are the white Hive of stan culture and you know that wasn't an accident. |
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Post by theflying on Aug 31, 2017 18:02:09 GMT -5
Pardon me for the stop gap from the absolutely scintillating discussion that had been happening prior. By all means, proceed. At the risk of going off topic, "discussion" usually doesn't involve framing your posts in such a way that they resemble someone trying to talk over everyone else in the room. Regardless, whether or not you like, or can comprehend, what is being discussed is completely irrelevant to its merit. I, too, definitely think a discussion about what constitutes a discussion is more appropriate for a thread about Taylor's lead single than posts about the strategy surrounding Taylor's lead single. |
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Post by Kinney on Aug 31, 2017 18:05:58 GMT -5
I still don't see any Formation similarities. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 18:06:39 GMT -5
At the risk of going off topic, "discussion" usually doesn't involve framing your posts in such a way that they resemble someone trying to talk over everyone else in the room. Regardless, whether or not you like, or can comprehend, what is being discussed is completely irrelevant to its merit. I, too, definitely think a discussion about what constitutes a discussion is more appropriate for a thread about Taylor's lead single than posts about the strategy surrounding Taylor's lead single. I gathered that since, you know, you're the one that brought it up. |
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Post by theflying on Aug 31, 2017 18:18:28 GMT -5
That article is perfect.
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Post by irice22 on Aug 31, 2017 18:18:55 GMT -5
I still don't see any Formation similarities. I just want to make clear that I DON'T agree with that statement in the article and I DO agree with you. other than that, they article if very Pro-Swift. |
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Post by deepston on Aug 31, 2017 18:42:25 GMT -5
This is kinda the first article we get that is completely pro-LWYMMD :o Tbh, considering the ton of references she makes to other artists through the video, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't intentional. |
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Post by Ling-Ling on Aug 31, 2017 18:44:58 GMT -5
I agree with parts of that article, it is a tad over the top though. Taylor Swift is one of the biggest pop stars in the world (arguably the biggest), she also has without a doubt the BIGGEST, most well run machine behind her (hell, it's called Big Machine for Christ's sake). Everything has been meticulously planned and rolled out, that, I can agree with. They go for maximum impact each time and deliver.
What I don't agree with is the so-called "brilliance" and "genius" behind the actual art itself. I think the video is very entertaining in a big budget, high glam/glossy kind of way, but it's not high concept. And I don't think it makes any profound statements (given her insular song-writing, I'm sure in her mind it does). And the song itself lacks depth as well. It's a glossy, forgettable pop song, granted with more edge sonically than she usually delivers. But something being darker and edgier doesn't equate to it being more artful. I can't tell you how many artists have made that mistake over the years. The messaging is mixed, the ideas still don't line up at all and no think piece has been able to fully explain that away to me. It doesn't gel, I'm not sold, I'll wait for the album. Congrats to her team for this epic rollout, but people are really doing the most trying to make this brilliant when it's really not.
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Post by No Brakes on Aug 31, 2017 19:09:08 GMT -5
Yeah I don't remember such a big debut with people figuring out if they like it or not since Alanis Morrisette- Thank U and Madonna- Frozen. I swear Thank U debuted at 7 and only had like 3 days to do it
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 31, 2017 19:39:17 GMT -5
I agree with parts of that article, it is a tad over the top though. Taylor Swift is one of the biggest pop stars in the world (arguably the biggest), she also has without a doubt the BIGGEST, most well run machine behind her (hell, it's called Big Machine for Christ's sake). Everything has been meticulously planned and rolled out, that, I can agree with. They go for maximum impact each time and deliver. What I don't agree with is the so-called "brilliance" and "genius" behind the actual art itself. I think the video is very entertaining in a big budget, high glam/glossy kind of way, but it's not high concept. And I don't think it makes any profound statements (given her insular song-writing, I'm sure in her mind it does). And the song itself lacks depth as well. It's a glossy, forgettable pop song, granted with more edge sonically than she usually delivers. But something being darker and edgier doesn't equate to it being more artful. I can't tell you how many artists have made that mistake over the years. The messaging is mixed, the ideas still don't line up at all and no think piece has been able to fully explain that away to me. It doesn't gel, I'm not sold, I'll wait for the album. Congrats to her team for this epic rollout, but people are really doing the most trying to make this brilliant when it's really not. Eh....it's kinda brilliant. Not the song, but the video and rollout, but the problem I have is people giving Taylor 100% of the credit, as if she's Madonna at her prime and this huge trailblazer. She's not. She just makes good pop music and has a huge fanbase. Her team takes care of the rest. |
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Post by irice22 on Aug 31, 2017 19:44:07 GMT -5
I think the point that this whole single release is essentially telling everyone to f**k off.
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Post by dbhmr on Aug 31, 2017 19:44:13 GMT -5
I agree with parts of that article, it is a tad over the top though. Taylor Swift is one of the biggest pop stars in the world (arguably the biggest), she also has without a doubt the BIGGEST, most well run machine behind her (hell, it's called Big Machine for Christ's sake). Everything has been meticulously planned and rolled out, that, I can agree with. They go for maximum impact each time and deliver. What I don't agree with is the so-called "brilliance" and "genius" behind the actual art itself. I think the video is very entertaining in a big budget, high glam/glossy kind of way, but it's not high concept. And I don't think it makes any profound statements (given her insular song-writing, I'm sure in her mind it does). And the song itself lacks depth as well. It's a glossy, forgettable pop song, granted with more edge sonically than she usually delivers. But something being darker and edgier doesn't equate to it being more artful. I can't tell you how many artists have made that mistake over the years. The messaging is mixed, the ideas still don't line up at all and no think piece has been able to fully explain that away to me. It doesn't gel, I'm not sold, I'll wait for the album. Congrats to her team for this epic rollout, but people are really doing the most trying to make this brilliant when it's really not. Eh....it's kinda brilliant. Not the song, but the video and rollout, but the problem I have is people giving Taylor 100% of the credit, as if she's Madonna at her prime and this huge trailblazer. She's not. She just makes good pop music and has a huge fanbase. Her team takes care of the rest. That's sort of a baseless statement though, right? I mean, sure, this could all be a fairly elaborate ruse in which Taylor isn't the shrewd businesswoman she's made out to be, but then you could level that same claim at literally any artist, from Beyonce to Katy Perry. |
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Post by theflying on Aug 31, 2017 19:47:44 GMT -5
Spree, you keep saying that, as if people are giving the artist too much credit when you'd rather credit her team. But it's like...we can never know who was responsible for what decision. But I think if you are forced to pick one to attribute things to, I think it makes perfect sense that people are intuitively picking her.
In fact, I struggle to understand why you wouldn't, and what the source of your point of view that we SHOULDN'T give her as much credit comes from. Taylor can't get every radio station on board with her new song instantly. She can't get ABC and ESPN to promote it, she can't get her image plastered on USPS trucks. She isn't going to be alone in determining her Ticketmaster policies, or various promotional stuff.
But she's responsible for almost any creative decision regarding her music and her image. And she's been doing it for like a decade.
If she's going to be insulted with too calculated and fake constantly, then she should be allowed to reap the plus side of that.
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Post by Maximillian on Aug 31, 2017 19:50:50 GMT -5
Has she confirmed any big promo for this or are we just going to ride along with the video for the foreseeable future?
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Post by Dylan :) on Aug 31, 2017 19:56:51 GMT -5
I am pretty sure she said when she performed I Don't Wanna Live Forever, that would probably be her one performance for the year. Hopefully she doesn't skip on the AMAs, though, that would be great promo for the album/second single. Maybe Good Morning America when she releases the album, too? I also can't see her doing any red carpets/interviews any time soon
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Post by jughead on Aug 31, 2017 20:04:55 GMT -5
I am pretty sure she said when she performed I Don't Wanna Live Forever, that would probably be her one performance for the year. Hopefully she doesn't skip on the AMAs, though, that would be great promo for the album/second single. Maybe Good Morning America when she releases the album, too? I also can't see her doing any red carpets/interviews any time soon I think She won't be doing any interviews or appearances for the entire era. Hence, the "there will be no further explanation, there will only be reputation" line she posted on Instagram. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 31, 2017 20:16:00 GMT -5
Spree, you keep saying that, as if people are giving the artist too much credit when you'd rather credit her team. But it's like...we can never know who was responsible for what decision. But I think if you are forced to pick one to attribute things to, I think it makes perfect sense that people are intuitively picking her. In fact, I struggle to understand why you wouldn't, and what the source of your point of view that we SHOULDN'T give her as much credit comes from. Because she was just a regular country girl singing country songs for the first 3 or 4 albums of her career? And was basically Carrie Underwood's rival? Granted she was selling, mainly because she was a cute country girl with catchy songs. But....that was it?? Or am I missing something from her early career? It just seems now that the money is rolling in and it's all mainstream, is when she unleashes her utter "brilliance"? |
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 31, 2017 20:17:32 GMT -5
SPRΞΞ - Only her first album is totally country. Each album got progressively more pop until 1989 became her first pop only album. Also, can an artist not get progressively better at their craft? Especially when said artist started at age 15? Let's not forget people have been praising Taylor's writing skills since day one.
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Post by theflying on Aug 31, 2017 20:23:22 GMT -5
Spree that is a very... strange take.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 31, 2017 20:25:57 GMT -5
Spree that is a very... strange take. The Bud Light draft is flowing right now... |
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Post by dbhmr on Aug 31, 2017 20:32:42 GMT -5
Spree that is a very... strange take. The Bud Light draft is flowing right now... I think you're the only thing in this world that has gotten better in 2017. |
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Aug 31, 2017 20:57:42 GMT -5
I agree with parts of that article, it is a tad over the top though. Taylor Swift is one of the biggest pop stars in the world (arguably the biggest), she also has without a doubt the BIGGEST, most well run machine behind her (hell, it's called Big Machine for Christ's sake). Everything has been meticulously planned and rolled out, that, I can agree with. They go for maximum impact each time and deliver. What I don't agree with is the so-called "brilliance" and "genius" behind the actual art itself. I think the video is very entertaining in a big budget, high glam/glossy kind of way, but it's not high concept. And I don't think it makes any profound statements (given her insular song-writing, I'm sure in her mind it does). And the song itself lacks depth as well. It's a glossy, forgettable pop song, granted with more edge sonically than she usually delivers. But something being darker and edgier doesn't equate to it being more artful. I can't tell you how many artists have made that mistake over the years. The messaging is mixed, the ideas still don't line up at all and no think piece has been able to fully explain that away to me. It doesn't gel, I'm not sold, I'll wait for the album. Congrats to her team for this epic rollout, but people are really doing the most trying to make this brilliant when it's really not. Eh....it's kinda brilliant. Not the song, but the video and rollout, but the problem I have is people giving Taylor 100% of the credit, as if she's Madonna at her prime and this huge trailblazer. She's not. She just makes good pop music and has a huge fanbase. Her team takes care of the rest. Spree I love you as a poster, but some of the things you say come off as envy or even protective of Katy and Madonna's glory days. If Taylor Swift's "brilliance" was so manufactured, every other pop girl would have this massive level of success. The fact of the matter is that she does it best. She writes her songs, conceptualizes her videos, commits her life to her craft. Hard work, dedication, and talent pay off sometimes, especially when you choose to surround yourself with a great team and supporters. She is the kind of pop star that takes her job seriously, maybe even too seriously if that's a thing. But I respect her for that. Makes it easy to be a fan when she pours her whole life into her craft. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 31, 2017 21:46:17 GMT -5
What has been going on in this thread all week? lmao! Does anybody even know what anybody else is talking about? I've been trying to follow along and I feel like people who are debating each other don't actually disagree with each other, or are going off on tangents that don't make sense or are trying to be dismissive in a way that isn't consistent or doesn't make sense. This thread is insane. Keep it up!
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Post by spooky21 on Aug 31, 2017 21:51:51 GMT -5
Spree that is a very... strange take. He's a Madonna stan. Everything always ends going going back to Madonna. Taylor can't have her record breaking moment because she's not a trailblazer like Madonna. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 31, 2017 22:24:27 GMT -5
Spree that is a very... strange take. He's a Madonna stan. Everything always ends going going back to Madonna. Taylor can't have her record breaking moment because she's not a trailblazer like Madonna. |
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